2018 Draft Thread #6

[TheHrvReport]

So you would have drafted Chris Bosh or Dwayne Wade over Lebron James?

lol

[thedarkstark]

Sometimes i think people need to be more accepting of peoples opinions.
Most of us try to post informed and sensical basketball related ,err stuff.

Usually no one here tries to post in absolutes or like they know everything.
It seems like on this board ppl will fight tooth and nail to rebute even the most consensus of opinions.

Ive learned on this board, whatever your opinion on something is, there is the exact opposite opinion that you will eventually end up reading.

This is just the internet in general though. We're all anonymous, nobody is putting their reputation on the line. Make a complete fool of yourself? It's OK just make a new profile.

If you want anymore proof of this just go read the comments on any popular youtube video

[kulaz3000]

Sometimes i think people need to be more accepting of peoples opinions.
Most of us try to post informed and sensical basketball related ,err stuff.

Usually no one here tries to post in absolutes or like they know everything.
It seems like on this board ppl will fight tooth and nail to rebute even the most consensus of opinions.

Ive learned on this board, whatever your opinion on something is, there is the exact opposite opinion that you will eventually end up reading.

This is just the internet in general though. We're all anonymous, nobody is putting their reputation on the line. Make a complete fool of yourself? It's OK just make a new profile.

If you want anymore proof of this just go read the comments on any popular youtube video

Whether you agree or disagree with a person point of view, there should always be a level of respect in your response, if you choose to respond that is.

If the comment is so far off that it's almost laughable, everyone has the right to choose to ignore the comment, or even block comments from a particular poster. But to go out of your way to target and ridicule someone because their views are opposing to yours, and because it's just fun to do so is something we don't condone.

[Leslie Forman]

On the other hand, as someone who is such a huge Trae Young supporter, I would think you would be at least a little more understanding to what Red is trying to say. In that, he's saying as the the season has evolved this has turned into what projects to be a very unusual draft in the sense that there are 7 highly dissimilar players (hell, 8 or 9 according to some projections, but I don't accept them) who keep flying up and down the boards. I don't recall a projected draft like this in quite some time.

1. I'm not really a "huge" Trae Young supporter, I just think people are being incredibly biased and close minded in how they evaluate him compared to other prospects - I don't think I've seen such a polarizing prospect ranked that high in years.

2. This actually happens almost every draft - there are a select few guys who are eventually seen as the absolute top 2-4 (it's arguably already happened with Doncic, Ayton and maybe Jackson), and then a second bunch of guys who people try and talk themselves into. You could even say there's starting to be a consensus #1 now in Ayton, going by media chatter. After that, the second bunch of guys appears to be Bagley, Young, Porter, Bamba. People are starting to talk themselves into Mikal Bridges too now.

This happens every year. Every. Freaking. Year.

[bearadonisdna]

Sometimes i think people need to be more accepting of peoples opinions.
Most of us try to post informed and sensical basketball related ,err stuff.

Usually no one here tries to post in absolutes or like they know everything.
It seems like on this board ppl will fight tooth and nail to rebute even the most consensus of opinions.

Ive learned on this board, whatever your opinion on something is, there is the exact opposite opinion that you will eventually end up reading.

This is just the internet in general though. We're all anonymous, nobody is putting their reputation on the line. Make a complete fool of yourself? It's OK just make a new profile.

If you want anymore proof of this just go read the comments on any popular youtube video

Whether you agree or disagree with a person point of view, there should always be a level of respect in your response, if you choose to respond that is.

If the comment is so far off that it's almost laughable, everyone has the right to choose to ignore the comment, or even block comments from a particular poster. But to go out of your way to target and ridicule someone because their views are opposing to yours, and because it's just fun to do so is something we don't condone.

Yeah dont mind me, im not claiming any harassment but in these draft discussions it seems like some take their own opinions too seriously.

Some of these projections will be hit and miss. There will be a poster whos wrong on a pick and his rival will be able to hang that over his head for awhile. Maybe forever. But i dont think ppl should get too defensive or take it personally because prospect success can be circumstancial.
For example i like the Bulls chances of developing a top tier prospect than say A team like Sacramento.

[Thebullsgod1993]

Really think we should go with
Pg Dunn
SG Lavine
SF Valentine
PF Markannen
C Portis

Starting lineup for the rest of the year.

[Thebullsgod1993]

Mikal or Carter Jr is growing on me if we don't slip into the top 7

[MrFortune3]

Currently, my tiers are this.....

Tier 1- Ayton, Bagley, Doncic

Tier 2- Bamba, JJJ, Porter

Tier 3- Carter, Mikal Bridges, Young

Tier 4- Knox, Walker, Jontay Porter, Gafford

Tier 5- Sexton, Miles Bridges, Hutchison, Robert Williams, Troy Brown, Mitchell Robinson, Musa

Not directed just at you, but why are people putting Bagley so high on their draft board? Tbh I haven't seen any of his game so I don't have an informed opinion but from what I've read he's still raw offensively and underperforming defensively?

Bagley is a bad bad dude and he's just scratching the surface of his potential. He's not OMG wow elite at any 1 thing but he does a lot of things well and seems to be very coachable. He's the type of player you want to get the chance to coach up.

[Ayman78]

Really think we should go with
Pg Dunn
SG Lavine
SF Valentine
PF Markannen
C Portis

Starting lineup for the rest of the year.

This line-up would win to many games. Falicio is earning his 32 million this last 19 games.

[Leslie Forman]

Bagley is a bad bad dude and he's just scratching the surface of his potential. He's not OMG wow elite at any 1 thing but he does a lot of things well and seems to be very coachable. He's the type of player you want to get the chance to coach up.

I'm not saying that Bagley is, I repeat, I'M NOT SAYING THAT BAGLEY IS, but that's basically how people talked themselves into thinking Wes Johnson was somehow worth a #4 pick. Again, I'M NOT SAYING BAGLEY IS WES JOHNSON.

[Axolotl]

Bagley is a bad bad dude and he's just scratching the surface of his potential. He's not OMG wow elite at any 1 thing but he does a lot of things well and seems to be very coachable. He's the type of player you want to get the chance to coach up.

I'm not saying that Bagley is, I repeat, I'M NOT SAYING THAT BAGLEY IS, but that's basically how people talked themselves into thinking Wes Johnson was somehow worth a #4 pick. Again, I'M NOT SAYING BAGLEY IS WES JOHNSON.

Wait a minute, are you saying that Bagley is a Wes Johnson...?

Bagley is raw, but developing, and the dominance he has shown as a raw project suggests a very high potential.

In reality, he might not develop to live up to that potential, but the unknown is present in all draft prospects.

He is up there because of what he may become, as that is seen as better than those below him.

Some projections go wrong in each draft. The top pick's career may be a role player from the bench, and a 2nd round pick may be an all star. The statistics show that the other way around is a much, much more probable outcome.

There is nothing in the information available now that suggests Bagley should have a significantly lower position in the draft boards than he is currently having.

[TheHrvReport]

I really think Bagley will become an NBA superstar..athletic, long, coachable with a very very high motor and passion for the game. Someone that will be able to get a rebound and go coast-to-coast in an instant..at nearly 7 feet..that's special. I see his shot continuing to improve, he has good mechanics on and his 3 pt % is already solid this year. Might be getting carried away but I'm seeing someone that averages 27/12 in their prime as a #1 option

[Dresden]

I agree that Bagley could be a monster in the nba. Someone made the comp to Amare Stoudamire, and I think that's pretty accurate. May never be a great defender, but will put up big numbers scoring and rebounding.

I think he's got that intangible you look for in a top pick- guys that have the willpower to dominate a game. Most MVP type players have that drive and competitiveness in them, and I see that in Bagley.

[InsideInfo]

People making claims on MPJ based on crappy HS competition and nothing he’s done so far at the next level. He’s KG based on zero.

This. I don't know how some of you are calling him a "can't miss prospect" based on Youtube videos of him dunking on boys in high school. The only players who have really proven themselves in this draft are Ayton, Bagley, and if you really want to give the benefit of the doubt to the Euro league then Doncic as well. Everyone else is a gamble in my opinion.

I think this is kind of unfair to say.

There are tons of guys who you could watch in HS and know they were going to be something special. I'm not even talking about guys like Lebron, Dwight, and Kobe who didn't go to College. Look at guys like Durant, DRose, Griffin.... when these guys were coming out of HS there was a ton of people calling them cant miss prospects.

When I look at Porter, I see a guy who has an NBA frame, crazy athleticism, the ability to dribble and create is own shot, and a very good shooter. I cant see those things not translating into the NBA. The dude looks like a special talent.

[Benedict Miller]

I have no doubts about Bagley being extremely productive in the NBA. Still in my top 3.

Also, If Young is there; Do we pull the trigger?

[Ralphb07]

Am I crazy for having MPJ number 2 on my list behind Ayton?

I think the dude is a cant miss star. Has and NBA body and skillset. To me he looks like he would be an impact player in his first year and an allstar by year two.

If so I’m super crazy as I have him #1. Porter and Ayton are my top 2 guys and then Doncic and Bagley round out my top 4.

[Benedict Miller]

Looking forward to seeing what these guys will do in tournament play.

[Axolotl]

Young is there; Do we pull the trigger?

I find my opinion changing with the wind. I feel he's going to be special, just can't make up my mind whether in a good way or in a bad way.

Great offensive potential, I especially like his passing. But he is also slow and not very athletic for a PG, and his physical tools are a big question mark. Also, non-existent defensive presence.

[TheSuzerain]

If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

People making claims on MPJ based on crappy HS competition and nothing he’s done so far at the next level. He’s KG based on zero.

This. I don't know how some of you are calling him a "can't miss prospect" based on Youtube videos of him dunking on boys in high school. The only players who have really proven themselves in this draft are Ayton, Bagley, and if you really want to give the benefit of the doubt to the Euro league then Doncic as well. Everyone else is a gamble in my opinion.

I think this is kind of unfair to say.

There are tons of guys who you could watch in HS and know they were going to be something special. I'm not even talking about guys like Lebron, Dwight, and Kobe who didn't go to College. Look at guys like Durant, DRose, Griffin.... when these guys were coming out of HS there was a ton of people calling them cant miss prospects.

When I look at Porter, I see a guy who has an NBA frame, crazy athleticism, the ability to dribble and create is own shot, and a very good shooter. I cant see those things not translating into the NBA. The dude looks like a special talent.

Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.

He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.

His handle is shaky.

Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.

He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.

He’s never showed to be anything on defense.

I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.