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TheSuzerain wrote:If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.
InsideInfo wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.
Pretty much how I feel too. I think you need to take the best available player regardless of position.
Honeslty tho, i think how he plays in this tournemnt is going to have a massive impact on his stock.
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:InsideInfo wrote:TheHrvReport wrote:This. I don't know how some of you are calling him a "can't miss prospect" based on Youtube videos of him dunking on boys in high school. The only players who have really proven themselves in this draft are Ayton, Bagley, and if you really want to give the benefit of the doubt to the Euro league then Doncic as well. Everyone else is a gamble in my opinion.
I think this is kind of unfair to say.
There are tons of guys who you could watch in HS and know they were going to be something special. I'm not even talking about guys like Lebron, Dwight, and Kobe who didn't go to College. Look at guys like Durant, DRose, Griffin.... when these guys were coming out of HS there was a ton of people calling them cant miss prospects.
When I look at Porter, I see a guy who has an NBA frame, crazy athleticism, the ability to dribble and create is own shot, and a very good shooter. I cant see those things not translating into the NBA. The dude looks like a special talent.
Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.
He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.
His handle is shaky.
Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.
He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.
He’s never showed to be anything on defense.
I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.
It's not often that you find an elite level size/shooter/athlete package at the high school level. Possesses tremendous size for a wing forward at 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan and 9'0 foot standing reach
Ralphb07 wrote:InsideInfo wrote:Am I crazy for having MPJ number 2 on my list behind Ayton?
I think the dude is a cant miss star. Has and NBA body and skillset. To me he looks like he would be an impact player in his first year and an allstar by year two.
If so I’m super crazy as I have him #1. Porter and Ayton are my top 2 guys and then Doncic and Bagley round out my top 4.
Axolotl wrote:InsideInfo wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.
Pretty much how I feel too. I think you need to take the best available player regardless of position.
Honeslty tho, i think how he plays in this tournemnt is going to have a massive impact on his stock.
The tournament is indeed important, and I agree with taking the BPA. I just can't figure him out and place him definitely as BPA at a certain draft position.
If he plays a good tournament, he'll probably be gone before we pick.
TheSuzerain wrote:If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.
InsideInfo wrote:JohnnyKILLroy wrote:InsideInfo wrote:
I think this is kind of unfair to say.
There are tons of guys who you could watch in HS and know they were going to be something special. I'm not even talking about guys like Lebron, Dwight, and Kobe who didn't go to College. Look at guys like Durant, DRose, Griffin.... when these guys were coming out of HS there was a ton of people calling them cant miss prospects.
When I look at Porter, I see a guy who has an NBA frame, crazy athleticism, the ability to dribble and create is own shot, and a very good shooter. I cant see those things not translating into the NBA. The dude looks like a special talent.
Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.
He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.
His handle is shaky.
Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.
He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.
He’s never showed to be anything on defense.
I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.
I doubt we are going to see eye to eye on this. I disagree with most of what you say. I have seen games of him, not just you tube videos. Comparing him to Harrison Barns is just inaccurate.
I haven't seen anything to suggest his handles are shaky, and as far as his length and the remark about not showing the special talent like the other guys mentioned...just read the first few lines of his scouting report.It's not often that you find an elite level size/shooter/athlete package at the high school level. Possesses tremendous size for a wing forward at 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan and 9'0 foot standing reach
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:InsideInfo wrote:JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.
He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.
His handle is shaky.
Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.
He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.
He’s never showed to be anything on defense.
I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.
I doubt we are going to see eye to eye on this. I disagree with most of what you say. I have seen games of him, not just you tube videos. Comparing him to Harrison Barns is just inaccurate.
I haven't seen anything to suggest his handles are shaky, and as far as his length and the remark about not showing the special talent like the other guys mentioned...just read the first few lines of his scouting report.It's not often that you find an elite level size/shooter/athlete package at the high school level. Possesses tremendous size for a wing forward at 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan and 9'0 foot standing reach
As far a Black Falcon goes they get their points the same way - they create jumpers.
Scouting reports? He’s tall, can jump and shoot? Sorry but I’ll need more than that. Also that wingspan if accurate isn’t impressive.
I had all these doubts before the back surgery - add that to the mix and it’s crazy to say he’s a no-brainer prospect.
TheSuzerain wrote:If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.
He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.
His handle is shaky.
Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.
He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.
He’s never showed to be anything on defense.
I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.
bigworld2017 wrote:I want no part of Young. We don't need another point guard.
bigworld2017 wrote:This is the year to get a potential "5". As much as I like Mikal Bridges and what he could do for us with his overall game, if it is between him and Wendell Carter I'd have to bite my lip and pick Carter.
Even if NBA teams won't guard him like they do in college, there are questions about how well his frail frame, skill-reliant game and often times embarrassing defense will translate when he matches up against physical marvels such as John Wall or Russell Westbrook. Guards like Young are built for the NCAA tournament, and he needs to do everything in his power to get there. Coming into the season Young wasn't on our mock draft and he wasn't widely seen as a potential one-and-done prospect. Some scouts are starting to wonder how much of Young's spectacular season was a volume-based mirage that may not be replicateable as a starter at the NBA level. There's no questioning Young's tremendous offensive skill level, and he figures to look far more efficient when surrounded by NBA players, but it's important that he wills Oklahoma into a longer season.
Red Larrivee wrote:JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.
He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.
His handle is shaky.
Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.
He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.
He’s never showed to be anything on defense.
I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.
I see the same things as you. Harrison Barnes was an elite HS prospect and some thought he was the next great NBA wing. I liked him a lot too even coming out of UNC, but I think Barnes was a better player coming out of HS. He was much more rounded.
It'd be nice to be wrong about Porter, but I wasn't overly impressed with anything I saw from him.
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JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Red Larrivee wrote:JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Porter hasn’t showed like any of the guys you mentioned. It’s not obvious with him.
He doesn’t have an NBA frame right now. He’s just tall. As far as I can tell he doesn’t have great length.
His handle is shaky.
Create his own shot? He creates pull up jumpers that’s it. He’s like a bad body Harrison Barnes.
He does look like a very good shooter. I’ll give him that.
He’s never showed to be anything on defense.
I’m super bummed he missed the season, of all the prospects in this draft I wanted to be wrong about him.
I see the same things as you. Harrison Barnes was an elite HS prospect and some thought he was the next great NBA wing. I liked him a lot too even coming out of UNC, but I think Barnes was a better player coming out of HS. He was much more rounded.
It'd be nice to be wrong about Porter, but I wasn't overly impressed with anything I saw from him.
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As a Tarheel fan yes Black Falcon looked like the real deal coming out of Iowa. Don’t get me wrong he’s a fine player but nothing like the hype he had.
I would feel better about Porter if he could be a 1st option SF. I think he’s a good handle away from this. I would really like his size at the 3.
He might be better suited as a 4 down the road?
What do you think 3 vs 4?
Add in the back surgery and its scary drafting Porter.
If it came down to him or Young I would probably go Porter.
bigworld2017 wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:If they pass on Young at like #7 or #8, it would be egregious.
I want no part of Young. We don't need another point guard. This is the year to get a potential "5". Next year's prospective Draft has very few pure "5"s. At best are a few 4-5 tweeners. As much as I like Mikal Bridges and what he could do for us with his overall game, if it is between him and Wendell Carter I'd have to bite my lip and pick Carter. Of the top 20 projected picks in 2019 there are 8 Small Forwards: RJ Barrett, Doubouya from France, Cameron Reddish, Rui Hachimura, O'Shae Brissett, Killian Tillie, Kris Wilkes and Jarred Vanderbilt. We can get a "3" next year. Then after the 2019 Draft the whole College Hoop/NBA Draft model we know now might become a thing of the past.
Axolotl wrote:Benedict Miller wrote: Young is there; Do we pull the trigger?
I find my opinion changing with the wind. I feel he's going to be special, just can't make up my mind whether in a good way or in a bad way.
Great offensive potential, I especially like his passing. But he is also slow and not very athletic for a PG, and his physical tools are a big question mark. Also, non-existent defensive presence.
InsideInfo wrote:There are tons of guys who you could watch in HS and know they were going to be something special. I'm not even talking about guys like Lebron, Dwight, and Kobe who didn't go to College. Look at guys like Durant, DRose, Griffin.... when these guys were coming out of HS there was a ton of people calling them cant miss prospects.