Nets Offseason Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[Prokorov]

What do you think of the following trade?

Russell/Caroll for John Wall/Mahinmi (edit)

Nets add a star player in John Wall who is locked up long term for 5 years. They give that money to a known commodity in Wall instead of giving that money to russel and not being sure if he becomes an all-star or not.

Wizards would cut 15M in salary next year and up to 36 million in salary moving forward. They move an unmovable contract in biyombo and move wall before his last 3 years kick in at 38 million, 40 million, 43 million. Wizards have played extremely well in walls absence and will be WAY over the cap if they cant move wall, porter, or beal next season. they arent contenders and paying tax for a non contender treadmill team doesnt seem like a long term success story

Not sure if i'd do it or not. Mahinmi people will bitch about but he expires the same time as mozgov/crabbe do. so all that bad salary comes off for the 2020 off season.

Wall | Levert | Crabbe | RHJ | Allen

Thats a really fast, really atheltic, really fun team to watch and if wall cant get them to the playoffs then we add a lottery pick to tha mix,

for me wall being injury prone and due 40 million per the last 3 years makes it a no but its an interesting hypothetical

[MrDollarBills]

i dunno if that makes sense right now...Wall will surely become disgruntled being here when we won't be good for years.

[Prokorov]

i dunno if that makes sense right now...Wall will surely become disgruntled being here when we won't be good for years.

i dont think it would take long if he was healthy. If he doesnt make us a 40 win team by adding him then adding a lotto pick in 2019 would probably do the trick.

Replace Dinwiddie and carroll with Wall and Levert in the starting lineup how good do you think that team is? how many dunks does Allen get with wall's slashing ability?

Wall | Levert | Crabbe | RHJ | Allen

Dinwiddie | Harris | Rookie | Cunningham

Look at indys turnaround with oladipo. their talent around oladipo isnt any better then what we have

[shakendfries]

The Orlando Magic have much more of an incentive to trade for Russell than the Wizards do to trade John Wall. You'd have to be crazy to think Scott Brooks is going to let the franchise he works for trade away an All-Star after watching Durant, Westbrook, and Harden become MVPs and having more success after his departure.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Do you mean Mahinmi instead of Biyombo?

I wouldn’t mind the trade at all, we might have to send out Lin as well to make salaries match with the big ol raise Wall is getting.

I actually think this value isn’t too far off, compared to what the Clippers got in the Pistons trade. I could definitely see Washington not wanting to commit all that money to Wall and backing out like the Clippers did.

Does anyone know if Wall has a trade kicker?

[vincecarter4pres]

Hmm... Interesting deal for both sides, Idk though. I'd almost rather hope Marks finds a trade up or two for Dinwiddie and maybe RHJ this summer, see what happens next year and if we blow again and D-Lo hasn't improved, blow it up at the deadline and get one last high pick before LeVert and Allen and the guy's they drafted in 2018 and 19 begin to hit their pick.

I know Wall is immensely talented and a true impact player, but he's just not necessarily my cup of tea. He's a Westbrook type, can coexist with other stars but can really throw a wrench in the game in high pressure moments and limits the other stars impact.

I think what he has always needed is similar to what Wall needs, a dominant big to pair with, one secondary but not star ball handler and a bunch of shooters and finishers and still I don't think either Wall or Westbrook would ever get over the hump.

[Prokorov]

The Orlando Magic have much more of an incentive to trade for Russell than the Wizards do to trade John Wall. You'd have to be crazy to think Scott Brooks is going to let the franchise he works for trade away an All-Star after watching Durant, Westbrook, and Harden become MVPs and having more success after his departure.

Well... setting aside a wall trade to the nets, the Wizards head is really to the fire here.

They are already a tax team at 124 million. and that is BEFORE Wall's salary doubles from 19 million to 38 million then increase to 40 and 43 million.

they arent a contender or even a top 4 seeded team. And they dont really have any means to add to their core as they are well over the tax and wont have a decent pick. I'm not sure how much they will improve. they have some young guys but unless oubre really goes next level im not sure how much better they can get.

How long to they pay WELL over the tax to be a 5th or 6th seed? Especially if they continue to show they are roughly the same calibur team when wall is injured?

turning wall into a young, cost controlled PG or turning beal into a young cost controlled SG makes a ton of sense for the wizards

[Prokorov]

Do you mean Mahinmi instead of Biyombo?

I wouldn’t mind the trade at all, we might have to send out Lin as well to make salaries match with the big ol raise Wall is getting.

I actually think this value isn’t too far off, compared to what the Clippers got in the Pistons trade. I could definitely see Washington not wanting to commit all that money to Wall and backing out like the Clippers did.

Does anyone know if Wall has a trade kicker?

-Yes i meant Mahinmi, i always get those 2 confused
-We could swap Caroll in for dinwiddie which might make sense for both teams
-Wall has 1 more year at 19M, so thats all we'd need to match, not AAV.

Wall does have a kicker, but i believe it is irrelevant since i think the CBA states you can only make "X" amount of dollars after raises even if you have a kicker. something werid like that. so the kicker would only count towards next year. maybe someone can confirm?

[Prokorov]

Some other options:

-Russell/Mozgov for Knicks pick (8-11)/Noah
-Russell for orlando's pick top 3-5 protected
-Russell to philly for their pick (non-lotto probably 18 or so) and a second or paseniks

[shakendfries]

Some other options:

-Russell/Mozgov for Knicks pick (8-11)/Noah
-Russell for orlando's pick top 3-5 protected
-Russell to philly for their pick (non-lotto probably 18 or so) and a second or paseniks

If trading Russell doesn't contribute to the Nets landing RJ Barrett in 2019 I don't want it

[Prokorov]

Some other options:

-Russell/Mozgov for Knicks pick (8-11)/Noah
-Russell for orlando's pick top 3-5 protected
-Russell to philly for their pick (non-lotto probably 18 or so) and a second or paseniks

If trading Russell doesn't contribute to the Nets landing RJ Barrett in 2019 I don't want it

i dont see how it would affect it either way. we would need the #1 or #2 pick for barrett. there is no realistic scenario were that happens unless we get super luck with the ping pong balls which would be the case with or without russell.

maybe if we aquired someone like wall and we somehow made the playoffs. but thats unlikely, even with wall

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Some other options:

-Russell/Mozgov for Knicks pick (8-11)/Noah
-Russell for orlando's pick top 3-5 protected
-Russell to philly for their pick (non-lotto probably 18 or so) and a second or paseniks

I don’t think Orlando would give up a top 5 pick for Russell by himself.

There’s only one scenario where I see us getting one of the top prospects. If Orlando gets the 6th or 7th pick and Young/Doncic/Ayton/Bamba are off the board then I could see them trading the pick since they already have Gordon and Isaac and probably don’t want to take another forward (Porter/Jackson/Bagley).

The trade I had in mind was D’Angelo, Toronto’s pick and Demarre Carroll for Bismack Biyombos contract and their 2018 pick but even that might not be enough.

I’d also be willing to package D’angelo and our 1st next year (top 3 protected) for a chance at one of the guys in this years top 7 but not Trae Young.

[Prokorov]

Some other options:

-Russell/Mozgov for Knicks pick (8-11)/Noah
-Russell for orlando's pick top 3-5 protected
-Russell to philly for their pick (non-lotto probably 18 or so) and a second or paseniks

I don’t think Orlando would give up a top 5 pick for Russell by himself.

There’s only one scenario where I see us getting one of the top prospects. If Orlando gets the 6th or 7th pick and Young/Doncic/Ayton/Bamba are off the board then I could see them trading the pick since they already have Gordon and Isaac and probably don’t want to take another forward (Porter/Jackson/Bagley).

The trade I had in mind was D’Angelo, Toronto’s pick and Demarre Carroll for Bismack Biyombos contract and their 2018 pick but even that might not be enough.

I’d also be willing to package D’angelo and our 1st next year (top 3 protected) for a chance at one of the guys in this years top 7 but not Trae Young.

unless its for Ayton or porter im not dealing our pick and russell and taking on biyombo, i dont think its likely we are top 3 next year so the protection doesnt mean much and next years draft is strong.

if its next years pick lotto protected, that id consider.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Some other options:

-Russell/Mozgov for Knicks pick (8-11)/Noah
-Russell for orlando's pick top 3-5 protected
-Russell to philly for their pick (non-lotto probably 18 or so) and a second or paseniks

I don’t think Orlando would give up a top 5 pick for Russell by himself.

There’s only one scenario where I see us getting one of the top prospects. If Orlando gets the 6th or 7th pick and Young/Doncic/Ayton/Bamba are off the board then I could see them trading the pick since they already have Gordon and Isaac and probably don’t want to take another forward (Porter/Jackson/Bagley).

The trade I had in mind was D’Angelo, Toronto’s pick and Demarre Carroll for Bismack Biyombos contract and their 2018 pick but even that might not be enough.

I’d also be willing to package D’angelo and our 1st next year (top 3 protected) for a chance at one of the guys in this years top 7 but not Trae Young.

unless its for Ayton or porter im not dealing our pick and russell and taking on biyombo, i dont think its likely we are top 3 next year so the protection doesnt mean much and next years draft is strong.

if its next years pick lotto protected, that id consider.

Porter and Ayton (and Doncic) are my favorites in this draft as well.

Next years draft is not strong. In fact according to Jonathan Giovanny: "The 2018 high school senior class is considered one of the weakest in some time" and unless the NBA suddenly decides to allow the 2019 high school class in the 2019 draft I doubt we will be excited to have our pick back. The only player from next years draft that is on the tier of this years top 7 at this point is RJ. Bol Bol and Zion Williamson have a lot hype, but very little substance from what I've been reading. Now its super early and theres always guys who rise in the draft but next year is looking a little rough for us.

[Prokorov]

I don’t think Orlando would give up a top 5 pick for Russell by himself.

There’s only one scenario where I see us getting one of the top prospects. If Orlando gets the 6th or 7th pick and Young/Doncic/Ayton/Bamba are off the board then I could see them trading the pick since they already have Gordon and Isaac and probably don’t want to take another forward (Porter/Jackson/Bagley).

The trade I had in mind was D’Angelo, Toronto’s pick and Demarre Carroll for Bismack Biyombos contract and their 2018 pick but even that might not be enough.

I’d also be willing to package D’angelo and our 1st next year (top 3 protected) for a chance at one of the guys in this years top 7 but not Trae Young.

unless its for Ayton or porter im not dealing our pick and russell and taking on biyombo, i dont think its likely we are top 3 next year so the protection doesnt mean much and next years draft is strong.

if its next years pick lotto protected, that id consider.

Porter and Ayton (and Doncic) are my favorites in this draft as well.

Next years draft is not strong. In fact according to Jonathan Giovanny: "The 2018 high school senior class is considered one of the weakest in some time" and unless the NBA suddenly decides to allow the 2019 high school class in the 2019 draft I doubt we will be excited to have our pick back. The only player from next years draft that is on the tier of this years top 7 at this point is RJ. Bol Bol and Zion Williamson have a lot hype, but very little substance from what I've been reading. Now its super early and theres always guys who rise in the draft but next year is looking a little rough for us.

I'd take Reddish, Barrett, Williamson, Hachimoura, and Fernando if he stays over anyone not named Ayton/Porter. Probably can put Doncic in there but ive heard or seen 0 about him so i cant speak to him.

Either way. Givng up Russell and a lottery pick for a pick thats not top 3 in this years draft seems like a really bad idea to me.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

unless its for Ayton or porter im not dealing our pick and russell and taking on biyombo, i dont think its likely we are top 3 next year so the protection doesnt mean much and next years draft is strong.

if its next years pick lotto protected, that id consider.

Porter and Ayton (and Doncic) are my favorites in this draft as well.

Next years draft is not strong. In fact according to Jonathan Giovanny: "The 2018 high school senior class is considered one of the weakest in some time" and unless the NBA suddenly decides to allow the 2019 high school class in the 2019 draft I doubt we will be excited to have our pick back. The only player from next years draft that is on the tier of this years top 7 at this point is RJ. Bol Bol and Zion Williamson have a lot hype, but very little substance from what I've been reading. Now its super early and theres always guys who rise in the draft but next year is looking a little rough for us.

I'd take Reddish, Barrett, Williamson, Hachimoura, and Fernando if he stays over anyone not named Ayton/Porter. Probably can put Doncic in there but ive heard or seen 0 about him so i cant speak to him.

Either way. Givng up Russell and a lottery pick for a pick thats not top 3 in this years draft seems like a really bad idea to me.

Cameron Reddish could sneak into that tier IMO and maybe Bol Bol based solely on his physical measurements but all the other guys are super disappointing especially Zion with all his hype. Hachimoura and Fernando wouldnt even go in the lottery this year and might not even go in the lottery next year. .

[MrDollarBills]

Bol Bol looks like he's going to be a beast when he develops in the pros.

[TheNetsFan]

I don’t think Orlando would give up a top 5 pick for Russell by himself.

There’s only one scenario where I see us getting one of the top prospects. If Orlando gets the 6th or 7th pick and Young/Doncic/Ayton/Bamba are off the board then I could see them trading the pick since they already have Gordon and Isaac and probably don’t want to take another forward (Porter/Jackson/Bagley).

The trade I had in mind was D’Angelo, Toronto’s pick and Demarre Carroll for Bismack Biyombos contract and their 2018 pick but even that might not be enough.

I’d also be willing to package D’angelo and our 1st next year (top 3 protected) for a chance at one of the guys in this years top 7 but not Trae Young.

unless its for Ayton or porter im not dealing our pick and russell and taking on biyombo, i dont think its likely we are top 3 next year so the protection doesnt mean much and next years draft is strong.

if its next years pick lotto protected, that id consider.

Porter and Ayton (and Doncic) are my favorites in this draft as well.

Next years draft is not strong. In fact according to Jonathan Giovanny: "The 2018 high school senior class is considered one of the weakest in some time" and unless the NBA suddenly decides to allow the 2019 high school class in the 2019 draft I doubt we will be excited to have our pick back. The only player from next years draft that is on the tier of this years top 7 at this point is RJ. Bol Bol and Zion Williamson have a lot hype, but very little substance from what I've been reading. Now its super early and theres always guys who rise in the draft but next year is looking a little rough for us.

There is a good chance that HSers will be draft eligible by 2019. Additionally, some players have recently been reclassifying in order to hit college a year early. That trend could continue.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

unless its for Ayton or porter im not dealing our pick and russell and taking on biyombo, i dont think its likely we are top 3 next year so the protection doesnt mean much and next years draft is strong.

if its next years pick lotto protected, that id consider.

Porter and Ayton (and Doncic) are my favorites in this draft as well.

Next years draft is not strong. In fact according to Jonathan Giovanny: "The 2018 high school senior class is considered one of the weakest in some time" and unless the NBA suddenly decides to allow the 2019 high school class in the 2019 draft I doubt we will be excited to have our pick back. The only player from next years draft that is on the tier of this years top 7 at this point is RJ. Bol Bol and Zion Williamson have a lot hype, but very little substance from what I've been reading. Now its super early and theres always guys who rise in the draft but next year is looking a little rough for us.

There is a good chance that HSers will be draft eligible by 2019. Additionally, some players have recently been reclassifying in order to hit college a year early. That trend could continue.

No, theres almost a 0% chance of that happening in 2019. Theyve only just started the conversation about the relationship between high school seniors and the NBA and most discussion has been centered around a G-league alternative to college, not lowering the age for the draft. There are a lot of people who have a stake in this decision and it isnt the kind of thing that can just be done on a whim. Plus the way it works is that when the NBA makes major decisions like this they typically give it a year to come into effect (think lottery reform this past offseason), meaning that even if everyone gets together during the summer and somehow come to an agreement to allow high school players into the draft, it most likely wont take effect until 2020.

Only specific players even qualify to be reclassified, its also something that people dont just do on a whim.

[CalamityX12]

Name wise its an interesting take however we wouldn't go much further, if, than we would had we kept DLo.

Wall himself will not take this team to contender status IMO. We may be in the pretender boat still.

Now, if you say John Wall and later add on Klay Thompson, I'm singing Eastern Conf. title almost...