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Political Roundtable Part XIX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#281 » by Ruzious » Tue Mar 6, 2018 8:06 pm

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Yes but it's a very tough call.

Did you hear about the Clintons in the 90s? They were basically moderate Republicans, which means that in year 2018 everything is the same.

Also, If you vote Democrat you could be accidentally secretly voting for a Republican. Might as well vote Republican to make sure you aren't being duped.

Furthermore, Roy Moore and Anthony Weiner are the same, Doug Jones is very racist and Killary is Killary.

Lmk if you guys have any questions.


I'm sure you have no problems dismissing horrible **** the Democrats do as a liberal white male. Nothing the Democrats do are designed to hurt people like you.

OTOH, I have friends who were locked up for years under the three strikes policy for minor drug offenses. The a-hole Democratic mayor of Baltimore was locking up people I knew left and right.

The Clinton Foundation basically used Haiti, my home country, as their personal piggy bank.

But I should ignore that because "Trump is evil! RUSSIA!" Kiss my ass you sanctimonious POS.

Hey TGW, try not to let it descend into name calling.

I might not agree with you on everything Clinton, but after voting for the Southern satyr in '92, I was disappointed and haven't voted for a Democrat for president since (voting in DC makes that a pretty easy decision).

Some people have difficulty with an honest discussion of the deficiencies of the Democratic party, or at least refuse to engage in one. (Not surprisingly, many Republicans suffer similarly.) Perhaps to them, such acknowledgement is weakness and grants strength to the enemy. I guess that's a valid approach, many people use if, but it's got some drawbacks.

It's not easy learning the acceptable code, but you don't need to let yourself be baited or painted into a corner. Sometimes no response is the best response. Works pretty well for me much of the time.

You guys have valid, differing views. Ditch some of the venom and mischaracterization of positions, and maybe there's an interesting debate in there. Carry on, friends!

What I don't get at all... is comparing the 2 parties and seeing an equivalence. It's like comparing Lebron to the 15th man on the Wizards 14 man roster. Yes, Lebron is bleeping annoying with his whining to the officials and ridiculous ego, but how does me match up overall to the Wiz 15th man? But if we point out there's a difference, we're accused of not being fair. I think it's a Theater of the Absurd situation that we're expected to be okay with - even with someone as even-handed as monte. And nobody spreads the floor better than monte - the ultimate glue guy - call him monte elmer.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#284 » by FAH1223 » Tue Mar 6, 2018 8:59 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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I'm sure you have no problems dismissing horrible **** the Democrats do as a liberal white male. Nothing the Democrats do are designed to hurt people like you.

OTOH, I have friends who were locked up for years under the three strikes policy for minor drug offenses. The a-hole Democratic mayor of Baltimore was locking up people I knew left and right.

The Clinton Foundation basically used Haiti, my home country, as their personal piggy bank.

But I should ignore that because "Trump is evil! RUSSIA!" Kiss my ass you sanctimonious POS.

Hey TGW, try not to let it descend into name calling.

I might not agree with you on everything Clinton, but after voting for the Southern satyr in '92, I was disappointed and haven't voted for a Democrat for president since (voting in DC makes that a pretty easy decision).

Some people have difficulty with an honest discussion of the deficiencies of the Democratic party, or at least refuse to engage in one. (Not surprisingly, many Republicans suffer similarly.) Perhaps to them, such acknowledgement is weakness and grants strength to the enemy. I guess that's a valid approach, many people use if, but it's got some drawbacks.

It's not easy learning the acceptable code, but you don't need to let yourself be baited or painted into a corner. Sometimes no response is the best response. Works pretty well for me much of the time.

You guys have valid, differing views. Ditch some of the venom and mischaracterization of positions, and maybe there's an interesting debate in there. Carry on, friends!

What I don't get at all... is comparing the 2 parties and seeing an equivalence. It's like comparing Lebron to the 15th man on the Wizards 14 man roster. Yes, Lebron is bleeping annoying with his whining to the officials and ridiculous ego, but how does me match up overall to the Wiz 15th man? But if we point out there's a difference, we're accused of not being fair. I think it's a Theater of the Absurd situation that we're expected to be okay with - even with someone as even-handed as monte. And nobody spreads the floor better than monte - the ultimate glue guy - call him monte elmer.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#285 » by cammac » Tue Mar 6, 2018 9:26 pm

The question you have to ask is which countries were the least hurt by the Bush 43 Economic collapse? They were the 2 Democracies that had the strictest banking regulations Canada & Australia. Neither had problems in the housing market in fact the value and sales of housing increased. When the rest of the world is in recession obviously it effects a countries economy simply because both countries are major suppliers of raw materials. Now America is giving financial institutions another chance to rape & pillage and leave the tax payers with the bill.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#286 » by FAH1223 » Tue Mar 6, 2018 10:23 pm

cammac wrote:The question you have to ask is which countries were the least hurt by the Bush 43 Economic collapse? They were the 2 Democracies that had the strictest banking regulations Canada & Australia. Neither had problems in the housing market in fact the value and sales of housing increased. When the rest of the world is in recession obviously it effects a countries economy simply because both countries are major suppliers of raw materials. Now America is giving financial institutions another chance to rape & pillage and leave the tax payers with the bill.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#287 » by Wizardspride » Wed Mar 7, 2018 12:42 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#288 » by Pointgod » Wed Mar 7, 2018 1:02 am

cammac wrote:The question you have to ask is which countries were the least hurt by the Bush 43 Economic collapse? They were the 2 Democracies that had the strictest banking regulations Canada & Australia. Neither had problems in the housing market in fact the value and sales of housing increased. When the rest of the world is in recession obviously it effects a countries economy simply because both countries are major suppliers of raw materials. Now America is giving financial institutions another chance to rape & pillage and leave the tax payers with the bill.


Except that 10 years from now the country will have collective amnesia and put the party that allowed this to happen back in power.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#289 » by cammac » Wed Mar 7, 2018 1:40 am

What part of America will be hurt the most because of the new tariffs on aluminum and steel. It's rural America and the hayseeds are slowly catching on. :banghead:
China & Japan are American farms biggest consumer of farm products.
“It has been very well documented that your historic path to the White House came directly through rural America. While your thoughts on trade where well known by farmers and ranchers, it would be very dangerous to assume it was the focus of their support. Mr. President, please do not turn your back on the farm and ranch families who depend on international markets and who rely on you to make wise decisions that don’t put their economic future in jeopardy.”


That's what some farmers of soybeans in the Midwestern state are saying as they look to the former governor and now US Ambassador to China Terry Branstad to help avoid a US-China trade war that might target US soybean exports to China — the biggest buyer of US soybeans. It imported about $14 billion worth of US soybeans in 2016, or 60 percent of the total US crop, according to the US Department of Agriculture (USDA).

Iowa is the second-largest soybean producing state after Illinois. There are roughly 70,000 to 80,000 soybean farmers in the two states, according to 2012 USDA census data.


armers across the Midwest would be a prime target for China, the biggest buyer of some American crops.

"Coming from an agriculture state that supported Trump, it's certainly a disappointing development for Montana and the rest of rural America," says Herb Karst, a grain farmer in Billings, Montana, and a representative of Farmers for Free Trade, an advocacy group.

"It just seems that agriculture is going to be paying the price for the protection of the steel and aluminum industries," he said.


Which country will benefit the most?
Canada is part of TPP and has good relationship with both Japan & China.
Who gets hurt well US consumers while 10% on Aluminum isn't that high it requires huge amounts of electricity that is cheap and abundant! Do you know anywhere in the USA that has that? With the tariff the USA will still need to buy from Canada because Quebec uses it's abundance of hydro electric power to produce aluminum. No American producer can be cost effective prices on Aluminum related products will climb. The steel tariff is crazy Canada imports more US steel than it exports and it is connected to the automotive industry which benefits both countries. Obviously Canada will put tariffs on US steel hurts both countries and the Steel Workers Union in the USA is against the Canadian tariff.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/6/1746881/-Rural-America-begins-to-realize-Trump-isn-t-working-for-them-as-Nebraska-Farm-Bureau-makes-clear

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-steel-aluminum-1.4557060

https://globalnews.ca/news/4057904/canada-aluminum-steel-tariffs-lobbyists-trump/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#291 » by cammac » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:02 pm

Rafael Edward Cruz AKA Ted Cruz made a jingle about Rep. Beto O’Rourke using his nickname rather than Robert. Lyin Ted is a disgrace to people born in Canada and if that is the best he can do! SAD :cry:

Think Beto will beat Lyin Ted in a uphill battle for the Democrat who needs enthusiastic Democrats, Independent & Republican women to win. Will be a Doug Jones type finish.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/377130-chris-cuomo-confronts-ted-cruz-on-attacking-dem-rival-for-changing-name-your
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#293 » by cammac » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:24 pm

We all know of Putin's perchance of putting down descent in "Mother Russia" either by imprisonment or murder. He has also conducted hits outside of Russia most notably in The UK. Again he has done it again using nerve agent against a father & daughter. Yes the father was a Russian who was in Russian intelligence but a British spy. He was traded with a deal of returning Russian spies in the UK for British ones. I'm quite sure the Trumpster { AKA David Dennison } could eliminate his enemies in a similar way.

Mr Rowley would not confirm the exact substance identified.

He said: "Having established that a nerve agent is the cause of the symptoms leading us to treat this as attempted murder, I can also confirm that we believe that the two people who became unwell were targeted specifically."

He said there was no evidence of a widespread health risk to the public.

Russia has denied any involvement, but the case has put renewed scrutiny on a string of deaths in the UK in the past two decades. The chair of the home affairs select committee, Yvette Cooper MP, wrote to Home Secretary Amber Rudd on Tuesday calling for a review of 14 other cases.

Those cases were variously found to have been heart attacks, suicides, accidents, and deaths by natural causes, but some allege that they amount to a pattern of state-sponsored murder on British streets.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/7/1747214/-Sergei-Skripa-and-Daughter-Attacked-With-Nerve-Agent-in-Salisbury-England
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#294 » by Doug_Blew » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:17 pm

It's official now. A single Porn Star black mailed Donald Trump for 130K. But "ALL" Trump supporters think it's ludicrous that Russia could have done the same.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#295 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:20 pm

yeah. saw this. laughed. and made me think of this thread.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#296 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:44 pm

Beware of hubris.



That guy actually won.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#297 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:47 pm

I have seen Presidents come and go.

I have faith in the process and hopefully Congress will hold everything in check and the President won't be as crazy as people feared.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#298 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:49 pm

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i've been trying to talk to guys about central banking role n the economy since i've joined the discussion. this is my true area of interest.


and this tweet is key. central bankers have been dumping cash back into the money supply since 2014. and its gone out of control in 16 and 17. They will be pulling back the reign on this at any point and without notice.

For those of you that do not know this. The big 5 (really big 4) central banks own all of the seats on the board of governors that control the FED. that nominate the chair. and the president only rubber stamps their selection. Therefore, they control interest rates. not the fed. And they are purposefully raising rates as we speak. This is huge because most credit made available in used by global consumers is variable rates and increases when the prime rate is adjusted. I have not seen numbers on this in recent years but generally most credit available is variable on about 6:4 ratio. with only 40% of the global economy borrowing on fixed rates (at the end user). By end user, i mean a large bank may lend to a smaller bank at a fixed rate but the end user that borrows from the smaller bank borrows at variable rates nearly 60% of the time.

So when rates are raised, its mostly a squeeze on poor people or those borrowing with credit cards or other small purchases. pay day loans. title loans. Or on margin in the stock market. Obviously ARMS-which is often small time speculators. Or hard cash borrows which is what most smallish ($500k-100M) developers use. I'm not listing everyone, but that is who generally gets squeezed.

and the goal is to cause financial collapes on about 10% of the population. If they squeeze to hard like 1929 or 2008 . then more people gets affected and you end up with a recession/depression.

make no mistake. We are being set up for another bubble. no doubt about it.

IMO, trumps people and trump himself is well aware. and he plans to combat (the eventual hard retraction of the money supply which will induce the recession) by bringing back jobs and negotiating better trade deals. its the only way to combat a severe retraction in the money supply. jobs. jobs. jobs. combined with rising wages. Or he can do what Lincoln and Kennedy did. issue(or re-issue) green backs:issue debt free Notes instead of issue bonds.
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