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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1941 » by UcanUwill » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:56 am

BlueSan wrote:He played poorly again in the Spanish league:

3 points total
1-6 from play , 0-3 three pointers, 4 personals , index 3

I am a Slovenian and I am therefore biased, but trying to think objectively as possible, I wouldnt take the kid not as a first pick, not as a second or third, considering what he has shown me lately and if he continues like that, he would in my book, go further down the pecking order for me.

Idk... seriously dont know...


He completely lost his shot. I feel like his early success got into his head a bit, so I hope those recent performances works like a wake up call for him, he still has a very long way to go. This draft is a very interesting, I am becoming more and more pessimistic about Tier 1 guys - Doncic, Ayton and Bagley, and I like tier 2 guys better - JJJ and Bamba. Having a number 1 pick this year will cause a lot of stress I feel.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1942 » by No-Man » Wed Mar 7, 2018 11:11 am

What he has is no legs, and he is rushing into his shots, he was doing much better early in the season, he has played so much more than any other prospect when you include EuroBasket, and other than Trae, who has also gone downhill due to that, he is the guy with the highest usg%, and the biggest load, I think it's normal hoenstly.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1944 » by daoneandonly » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:17 pm

Fischella wrote:What he has is no legs, and he is rushing into his shots, he was doing much better early in the season, he has played so much more than any other prospect when you include EuroBasket, and other than Trae, who has also gone downhill due to that, he is the guy with the highest usg%, and the biggest load, I think it's normal hoenstly.


He's a teenager, there should not be excuses like this.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1945 » by UcanUwill » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:24 pm

batigol18 wrote:Injured and very questionable for tommorow match against PAO.

https://sportando.basketball/en/cups/euroleague/267085/luka-doncic-could-miss-the-game-against-panathinaikos.html


Damn it. Pao switches everything, would have been interesting to see how Doncic pick and rolls.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1946 » by KD95 » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:51 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Fischella wrote:What he has is no legs, and he is rushing into his shots, he was doing much better early in the season, he has played so much more than any other prospect when you include EuroBasket, and other than Trae, who has also gone downhill due to that, he is the guy with the highest usg%, and the biggest load, I think it's normal hoenstly.


He's a teenager, there should not be excuses like this.


Athletes peak phisically when they are in their 20s, not when they are teenagers. It's not really an excuse, it's just how it works.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1947 » by The-Power » Thu Mar 8, 2018 10:43 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Fischella wrote:What he has is no legs, and he is rushing into his shots, he was doing much better early in the season, he has played so much more than any other prospect when you include EuroBasket, and other than Trae, who has also gone downhill due to that, he is the guy with the highest usg%, and the biggest load, I think it's normal hoenstly.


He's a teenager, there should not be excuses like this.

If not for your posting history that right there would be great sarcasm. A teenager who has never had to go through such a long season with few breaks against grown men is exactly who we should expect to be exhausted – both mentally and physically – and without legs towards the end. But obviously basic logic doesn't fit your agenda.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1948 » by SportsGuy8 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:17 am

For everyone who keeps saying that fatigue shouldn't be a problem since he's a teenager: why aren't teenagers winning marathons then, or even better, endurance competitions that go on for longer periods like Tour de France? Why is it almost impossible for anyone under 24 to even be competitive, much less win?

Think about it. I know you probably won't and remain ignorant about how your own bodies work.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1949 » by LukaV » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:32 am

Slovenian media (e.g.: http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/doncic-za-dva-tedna-na-prisilni-pocitek/448219) are reporting he's out for two weeks because of a thigh muscle injury. If recovery goes according to plan, he'll return on March 22nd against Žalgiris.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1950 » by batigol18 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:49 am

LukaV wrote:Slovenian media (e.g.: http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/doncic-za-dva-tedna-na-prisilni-pocitek/448219) are reporting he's out for two weeks because of a thigh muscle injury. If recovery goes according to plan, he'll return on March 22nd against Žalgiris.


Best possible info for Luka. Nothing to much serious, but he will finally get two weeks for rest and recovery.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1951 » by SportsGuy8 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:53 am

Definitely. Blessing in disguise.

Let's just hope they don't rush him back too quickly.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1952 » by Rn5ho » Thu Mar 8, 2018 12:02 pm

Hope he comes back with a bang and brings home that MVP title!
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1953 » by daoneandonly » Thu Mar 8, 2018 12:07 pm

The-Power wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Fischella wrote:What he has is no legs, and he is rushing into his shots, he was doing much better early in the season, he has played so much more than any other prospect when you include EuroBasket, and other than Trae, who has also gone downhill due to that, he is the guy with the highest usg%, and the biggest load, I think it's normal hoenstly.


He's a teenager, there should not be excuses like this.

If not for your posting history that right there would be great sarcasm. A teenager who has never had to go through such a long season with few breaks against grown men is exactly who we should expect to be exhausted – both mentally and physically – and without legs towards the end. But obviously basic logic doesn't fit your agenda.


You got me, a 18 year old, wha wha I'm tired. Okay, just another excuse the fanboys use on why he's sucked lately. Maybe it's more the average talent he plays against have figured out his average game, can't wait to see how he looks when elite NBA talent do. The guy has no athleticism whatsoever, yeah that's ridiculous for an 18 year old.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1954 » by daoneandonly » Thu Mar 8, 2018 12:09 pm

SportsGuy8 wrote:For everyone who keeps saying that fatigue shouldn't be a problem since he's a teenager: why aren't teenagers winning marathons then, or even better, endurance competitions that go on for longer periods like Tour de France? Why is it almost impossible for anyone under 24 to even be competitive, much less win?

Think about it. I know you probably won't and remain ignorant about how your own bodies work.


How many teens even compete in tou de france. And marathons albeit long, are single day or whatever. DOncic doesn'
t play every minute of a game every single day. He has plenty of rest, he's just weak physically.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1955 » by SportsGuy8 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 12:52 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
SportsGuy8 wrote:For everyone who keeps saying that fatigue shouldn't be a problem since he's a teenager: why aren't teenagers winning marathons then, or even better, endurance competitions that go on for longer periods like Tour de France? Why is it almost impossible for anyone under 24 to even be competitive, much less win?

Think about it. I know you probably won't and remain ignorant about how your own bodies work.


How many teens even compete in tou de france. And marathons albeit long, are single day or whatever. DOncic doesn'
t play every minute of a game every single day. He has plenty of rest, he's just weak physically.

Why do you think there's a special "white jersey" (young rider classification) at Tour de France for cyclists under 26? Yes, that's right 26! It's because they fully understand how long it takes for a human body to adapt to such grueling tasks. Teens obviously don't compete because they wouldn't stand a chance! Why else did you think there's no teens? :)

You don't seem to have much idea how the human body even works. It's not just endurance related fatigue. Ever lifted weights seriously? Have you heard of overtraining? If you're not careful it can happen even if you regularly take days off. There's a reason why most good training programs advocate deload weeks every now and then. Doncic doesn't have that luxury. He hasn't been able to take some time off (or even just to "deload" a bit) for literally 7 months straight.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1956 » by Ettorefm » Thu Mar 8, 2018 1:21 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
The-Power wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
He's a teenager, there should not be excuses like this.

If not for your posting history that right there would be great sarcasm. A teenager who has never had to go through such a long season with few breaks against grown men is exactly who we should expect to be exhausted – both mentally and physically – and without legs towards the end. But obviously basic logic doesn't fit your agenda.


You got me, a 18 year old, wha wha I'm tired. Okay, just another excuse the fanboys use on why he's sucked lately. Maybe it's more the average talent he plays against have figured out his average game, can't wait to see how he looks when elite NBA talent do. The guy has no athleticism whatsoever, yeah that's ridiculous for an 18 year old.


Dude, every year 19/20 year old rookies hits the rookie wall right about january, and that's less games than Doncic played so far in a season, and we all understand.

18 year old is feeling the fatigue of a tiresome season and it's an excuse?

I mean, even superstars have problems in the playoffs because they had to give 100% every single game and are gassed out, and we're talking about 26, 27 year old behemoth specimens with elite stamina. Doncic having some tired legs is normal.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1957 » by daoneandonly » Thu Mar 8, 2018 1:57 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
The-Power wrote:If not for your posting history that right there would be great sarcasm. A teenager who has never had to go through such a long season with few breaks against grown men is exactly who we should expect to be exhausted – both mentally and physically – and without legs towards the end. But obviously basic logic doesn't fit your agenda.


You got me, a 18 year old, wha wha I'm tired. Okay, just another excuse the fanboys use on why he's sucked lately. Maybe it's more the average talent he plays against have figured out his average game, can't wait to see how he looks when elite NBA talent do. The guy has no athleticism whatsoever, yeah that's ridiculous for an 18 year old.


Dude, every year 19/20 year old rookies hits the rookie wall right about january, and that's less games than Doncic played so far in a season, and we all understand.

18 year old is feeling the fatigue of a tiresome season and it's an excuse?

I mean, even superstars have problems in the playoffs because they had to give 100% every single game and are gassed out, and we're talking about 26, 27 year old behemoth specimens with elite stamina. Doncic having some tired legs is normal.


One of his biggest concerns, red flags scouts have about him is his athleticism. Can he keep up with NBA guys defensively? Very valid concern, if he's now struggling against guys who can't even spell NBA because they don't have the skill set to get anywhere near there, then more and more GMs should take note.
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1958 » by burek3 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 2:27 pm

He's playing in a european team with european system of defense under european basketball rules.

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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1959 » by batigol18 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 2:33 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
One of his biggest concerns, red flags scouts have about him is his athleticism. Can he keep up with NBA guys defensively? Very valid concern, if he's now struggling against guys who can't even spell NBA because they don't have the skill set to get anywhere near there, then more and more GMs should take note.


Doncic played from september 2016 till today 136 profesionall official matches. This mean 136 matches in 17 months. I don't count here additional 10 preparation matches for NT before Eurobasket.

Show me one single player, who will attend this year draft, that played at least half number of college official matches. So let say 68 matches in last 17 months. Can you?
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Re: Luka Doncic part II 

Post#1960 » by mabundo_nagumbe » Thu Mar 8, 2018 2:55 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
The-Power wrote:If not for your posting history that right there would be great sarcasm. A teenager who has never had to go through such a long season with few breaks against grown men is exactly who we should expect to be exhausted – both mentally and physically – and without legs towards the end. But obviously basic logic doesn't fit your agenda.


You got me, a 18 year old, wha wha I'm tired. Okay, just another excuse the fanboys use on why he's sucked lately. Maybe it's more the average talent he plays against have figured out his average game, can't wait to see how he looks when elite NBA talent do. The guy has no athleticism whatsoever, yeah that's ridiculous for an 18 year old.


Dude, every year 19/20 year old rookies hits the rookie wall right about january, and that's less games than Doncic played so far in a season, and we all understand.

18 year old is feeling the fatigue of a tiresome season and it's an excuse?

I mean, even superstars have problems in the playoffs because they had to give 100% every single game and are gassed out, and we're talking about 26, 27 year old behemoth specimens with elite stamina. Doncic having some tired legs is normal.



It definitely is an excuse. The real question is, is it a legitimate excuse? And your arguments say that it is, and i'll give you a +1 for it.

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