Who will be our next starting shooting guard?

[Dennis Reynolds]

I find it funny that people have given up on both Vuc and Elf cause they can't be a big part of a contender yet at least half the guys on this board still believe Fournier can be just that because he is such a good player LMAO.

People probably think Fournier can contribute to a good team because he actually fits an archetype that good teams seek. Can’t say the same for Vucevic and Payton

One dimensional players with traffic cone like defense can't contribute anywhere. Not to mention Fournier starts plenty of games slow which is only tolerated in Orlando unless you're a star player which of course he isn't.

I would much rather let Elf or Vuc run my 2nd unit. They can actually create for others and don't get locked up by every good defender.

[OrlandoNed]

One dimensional players with traffic cone like defense can't contribute anywhere.

I would much rather let Elf or Vuc run my 2nd unit.

You kind of contradicted yourself there.

Elf and Vuc fit your description of one dimensional players with traffic cone defense better the Evan does.

[Dennis Reynolds]

One dimensional players with traffic cone like defense can't contribute anywhere.

I would much rather let Elf or Vuc run my 2nd unit.

You kind of contradicted yourself there.

Elf and Vuc fit your description of one dimensional players with traffic cone defense better the Evan does.

I'm not even saying those 2 guys can contribute. I think they can but that's not the point. I'm saying if they can't contribute then Fournier certainly can't.

Vuc can rebound, score and create for others off the bench. I also think his defense is undoubtedly better than Fournier's. Elf can also run the 2nd unit and create for others. Good rebounder for a guard too and while his defense isn't any good, he still has potential to be at least above average on that end.

I definitely wouldn't call either of them one dimensional.

Fournier on the other hand can't create for others and isn't very good at creating his shot. Put him in the starting lineup and he will get abused defensively. Let him run the 2nd unit and he won't do much due to the things I already mentioned. There's also gonna be at least 1 good wing defender in the opposing 2nd unit and if his primary job is stopping Fournier I'm sure he'll do more than fine. So Fournier is basically a 7th man at best. Guy who can space the floor, knock down an open jumper and attack closeouts.

I'd much rather have Vuc or Elf on my bench.

[Skybox]

One dimensional players with traffic cone like defense can't contribute anywhere.

I would much rather let Elf or Vuc run my 2nd unit.

You kind of contradicted yourself there.

Elf and Vuc fit your description of one dimensional players with traffic cone defense better the Evan does.

I'm not even saying those 2 guys can contribute. I think they can but that's not the point. I'm saying if they can't contribute then Fournier certainly can't.

Vuc can rebound, score and create for others off the bench. I also think his defense is undoubtedly better than Fournier's. Elf can also run the 2nd unit and create for others. Good rebounder for a guard too and while his defense isn't any good, he still has potential to be at least above average on that end.

I definitely wouldn't call either of them one dimensional.

Fournier on the other hand can't create for others and isn't very good at creating his shot. Put him in the starting lineup and he will get abused defensively. Let him run the 2nd unit and he won't do much due to the things I already mentioned. There's also gonna be at least 1 good wing defender in the opposing 2nd unit and if his primary job is stopping Fournier I'm sure he'll do more than fine. So Fournier is basically a 7th man at best. Guy who can space the floor, knock down an open jumper and attack closeouts.

I'd much rather have Vuc or Elf on my bench.

I would trade Evan for a quality asset but to see he's easily stoppable is ridiculous. He's scoring 18ppg on a weak offensive team. Apparently, other teams have elected not to "abuse him defensively"....We've got plenty of warts but Evan is a proven scorer.

[ralphie9898]

I find it funny that people have given up on both Vuc and Elf cause they can't be a big part of a contender yet at least half the guys on this board still believe Fournier can be just that because he is such a good player LMAO.

I don't think we are over-valuing Fournier. Rather just saying that he is better then Hezonja who still has a small sample size of better play. Fournier isn't that good either but he is more proven for a longer time then Mario. And we have't given up on anyone. We have just realized that guys like Vuc and Elf have used up a big part of any potential they have to be better players. They are ok players but I don't think they are for sure starters on good teams but could be good bench guys that could be part of rotation but I could see where they aren't part of the 8 man rotation but could be more in the 9-12 range for a few teams. The only players I value a lot are Gordon and Isaac and to a slighter extent Simmons. Beyond that everyone is available but I am not expecting much in return.

[pepe1991]

Evan should play SG . He gives up too much weight at SF.
I don't think he is bad player at all, he could thrive in better system but for Magic he is asked to do way too much. He also likes to do more than he should.

[axl_c_cool]

Evan should play SG . He gives up too much weight at SF.
I don't think he is bad player at all, he could thrive in better system but for Magic he is asked to do way too much. He also likes to do more than he should.

This is why we need that star player, we have a few B and C level players. I agree Evan in the right system would be a good level starter, he would be open more and have big nights with us having a legit go to guy. If you look at the roster the glaring spot for that is Point Guard or Small Forward, hopefully we draft someone at those positions

[Dennis Reynolds]

You kind of contradicted yourself there.

Elf and Vuc fit your description of one dimensional players with traffic cone defense better the Evan does.

I'm not even saying those 2 guys can contribute. I think they can but that's not the point. I'm saying if they can't contribute then Fournier certainly can't.

Vuc can rebound, score and create for others off the bench. I also think his defense is undoubtedly better than Fournier's. Elf can also run the 2nd unit and create for others. Good rebounder for a guard too and while his defense isn't any good, he still has potential to be at least above average on that end.

I definitely wouldn't call either of them one dimensional.

Fournier on the other hand can't create for others and isn't very good at creating his shot. Put him in the starting lineup and he will get abused defensively. Let him run the 2nd unit and he won't do much due to the things I already mentioned. There's also gonna be at least 1 good wing defender in the opposing 2nd unit and if his primary job is stopping Fournier I'm sure he'll do more than fine. So Fournier is basically a 7th man at best. Guy who can space the floor, knock down an open jumper and attack closeouts.

I'd much rather have Vuc or Elf on my bench.

I would trade Evan for a quality asset but to see he's easily stoppable is ridiculous. He's scoring 18ppg on a weak offensive team. Apparently, other teams have elected not to "abuse him defensively"....We've got plenty of warts but Evan is a proven scorer.

DeRozan, Lowry and Lou Williams to name a few are all much better and more proven scorers than Fournier and they all struggle mightily in the playoffs. It's just a totally different sport in comparison to the regular season.

Fournier has average BB IQ, has no moves, isn't much of an athlete and his shooting off the dribble is fairly average. Other than his spot up shooting I can't see any other part of Fournier's game translating to the playoffs.

Let's say we magically turn into a contender in 3 years time. Looking at the current teams it seems like our biggest competition would be Philly, Celtics and the Bucks. Sixers have Embiid, Covington, Simmons and could very well get another elite wing defender with all the cap space they have, Celtics have Brown, Tatum and Smart along with some solid rim protection and the Bucks have Middleton, Giannis, etc. You really think those teams would have any problem stopping a guy like Fournier?

It's isn't a coincidence that he gets exposed almost every time he goes up against elite defensive teams like Utah and Boston.

[Skybox]

He's averaging 18ppg, he scores inside and out. Didn't say he's great but people here are unrealistic in trashing him. If he sucks like Derozan, I'll take it happily until the cavalry arrives.

[bigpimpatl]

Hezonja is better than Fournier? lol i've read it all.

[Dennis Reynolds]

He's averaging 18ppg, he scores inside and out. Didn't say he's great but people here are unrealistic in trashing him. If he sucks like Derozan, I'll take it happily until the cavalry arrives.

I'm saying DeRozan is a far better player than Fournier and yet he still struggles in the playoffs. I even explained why I think Fournier would struggle in the playoffs so I'm not sure how you managed to miss my point.

Not to mention DeRozan keeps improving every season while Fournier basically hasn't improved a lick in the last 2 seasons. Advanced stats portray Fournier as a net negative player season after season and the eye test backs that up if you ask me. That's my problem with Fournier along with his contract.

I'm done with this discussion though cause I'm tired of explaining why Fournier isn't any good and backing it up with stats if need be just to have people say but, but, PPGzzzzzz. It's just a waste of my time.

[drsd]

This is why we need that star player, we have a few B and C level players. I agree Evan in the right system would be a good level starter, he would be open more and have big nights with us having a legit go to guy. If you look at the roster the glaring spot for that is Point Guard or Small Forward, hopefully we draft someone at those positions

This implies you see Fournier sliding to his natural spot. I also want that, if Dončić is not a Magician next year. Under that scenario, Isaac is the current SF. This means the 1st pick is best served on a PG. Most mocks have Young sliding to the 6-8 range, meaning Orlando is probable to have him as an option.

I am excited by: Young/Fournier/Isaac/Gordon/Vučević


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[drsd]

... while Fournier basically hasn't improved a lick in the last 2 seasons.

For me this is because he is out of position.


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[FFBlitzace]

Didn't we try Fournier at SG and he was garbage because his already below average physical attributes were magnified against the typically quicker SG defenders he faced? Him at SF IS our way of giving him an advantage on offense. There's just a limit to how good he is.

[drsd]

Didn't we try Fournier at SG and he was garbage because his already below average physical attributes were magnified against the typically quicker SG defenders he faced? Him at SF IS our way of giving him an advantage on offense. There's just a limit to how good he is.

This is not the history I recall. I recall Fournier out-competed Oladipo for the SG slot and then Gordon slotted to the SF (where he was totally ineffective). All ball I watched with Fournier at the 2, he played above average as a starter. Something like the 10th best SG.

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[cedric76]

Hezonja is better than Fournier? lol i've read it all.

This board is man