John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[Ruzious]

Say what you want about him, but he's been the face, the heart, the hope, and the quality of this organization since day one when he got drafted. When John Wall steps back on the court for the Wizards in Washington, there will be a massive standing ovation. Heck, people watching at home will stand up and applaud in front of their tv's.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It’s like when your wife and kids go out of town for a few days. At first it’s great. Eat whatever you want, hang out with friends, stay up too late. Then you get kind of bored and are ready for them to come back.

I’m ready for John, pull up jumpers with 18 seconds left on the shot clock and all.

My best friend on island is experiencing this. Once his wife left he had the housekeeper come and clean it the way he likes it to be. He's been going fishing and he and I went to see Black Panther the other night. Lsbf, my friend says he loves his wife. I'm thinking you like your wife more than he likes his! Dude seems to be perking up.

Life is funny like that. I think his wife is the nicest lady on earth and a great wife to him. I had two terrible ex wives... Go figure.

I'm ready for John Wall to return as well. For Better or Worse, pun intended.




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[FAH1223]

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If John is progressing at this rate, I think he comes back 3/23 vs. Denver. But probably the week after.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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I beg to differ. The Pels are better without Cousins. The brow doesn't need that guy taking poor shots, turning the ball over a million times, and not playing defense.

The Pelicans are better now.

Mirotic is a perfect fit for that team. In the absence of DeMarcus Cousins Anthony Davis is becoming a devastating player. There is no way for him to do that with Boogie occupying space inside and having high usage.

I think for DeMarcus Cousins a much better future move would be to sign with the Lakers along with LeBron James or Paul George.

In a pipe dream Cousins could sign with the Wizards on a one-year deal.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Say what you want about him, but he's been the face, the heart, the hope, and the quality of this organization since day one when he got drafted. When John Wall steps back on the court for the Wizards in Washington, there will be a massive standing ovation. Heck, people watching at home will stand up and applaud in front of their tv's.

Now that Scott Brooks is getting away from coaching well I'm ready for John.

Brooke is such a moron that he's taking the ball out of Satoransky's hands. I think that Tomas lacks confidence because he doesn't get much verbal support from this coach. Why on Earth did they sign Ramon Sessions!

When John Wall comes back I'm pretty sure that's the end of Satoransky handling the ball.

The three consecutive games they lost discouraged me so now I'm kind of back to being numb and not caring too much what the Wizards do. John Wall and Bradley Beal are never going to become greater players until they get a better coach.

[FAH1223]

The Pelicans are better now.

Mirotic is a perfect fit for that team. In the absence of DeMarcus Cousins Anthony Davis is becoming a devastating player. There is no way for him to do that with Boogie occupying space inside and having high usage.

I think for DeMarcus Cousins a much better future move would be to sign with the Lakers along with LeBron James or Paul George.

In a pipe dream Cousins could sign with the Wizards on a one-year deal.

That's what I wish would happen. But it would have to be a 1 year, MLE deal which ain't happening.... assuming we can unload one of the Centers

[Ruzious]

The Pelicans are better now.

Mirotic is a perfect fit for that team. In the absence of DeMarcus Cousins Anthony Davis is becoming a devastating player. There is no way for him to do that with Boogie occupying space inside and having high usage.

I think for DeMarcus Cousins a much better future move would be to sign with the Lakers along with LeBron James or Paul George.

In a pipe dream Cousins could sign with the Wizards on a one-year deal.

That's what I wish would happen. But it would have to be a 1 year, MLE deal which ain't happening.... assuming we can unload one of the Centers

As long as we're dreaming, trade Gortat and Mahinmi for Anthony Davis. And sign Cousins to a multi-year min salary deal.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Pelicans are better now.

Mirotic is a perfect fit for that team. In the absence of DeMarcus Cousins Anthony Davis is becoming a devastating player. There is no way for him to do that with Boogie occupying space inside and having high usage.

I think for DeMarcus Cousins a much better future move would be to sign with the Lakers along with LeBron James or Paul George.

In a pipe dream Cousins could sign with the Wizards on a one-year deal.

That's what I wish would happen. But it would have to be a 1 year, MLE deal which ain't happening.... assuming we can unload one of the Centers

As long as we're dreaming, trade Gortat and Mahinmi for Anthony Davis. And sign Cousins to a multi-year min salary deal.

How about just trade Gortat, Smith, Meeks and the first round pick for resigned Cousins (at less than the max). Boogie could still make over 21 million a year. All three players traded have expiring contracts.

You'd still have Mahinmi in order to to defend.

Get a second round pick from New Orleans. Draft Jevon Carter and anybody else you like.

[DCZards]

Say what you want about him, but he's been the face, the heart, the hope, and the quality of this organization since day one when he got drafted. When John Wall steps back on the court for the Wizards in Washington, there will be a massive standing ovation. Heck, people watching at home will stand up and applaud in front of their tv's.

Yup...and that ovation is getting louder with each passing game. The "Wizards are better without Wall" stuff that has been short-circuited by the team's recent play and more and more fans recognize that the Zards--and Wall's teammates--need him in order to be all that they can be.

[Ruzious]

DeMarcus will sign here only if his cousin Kirk will - I might have that mixed up a little. But they both want about $30 mil a year. It'll be interesting to see which one gets more money. I'd like to see anyone cover DeMarcus when he's playing TE on Kirk's team.

[pcbothwel]

The Pelicans are better now.

Mirotic is a perfect fit for that team. In the absence of DeMarcus Cousins Anthony Davis is becoming a devastating player. There is no way for him to do that with Boogie occupying space inside and having high usage.

I think for DeMarcus Cousins a much better future move would be to sign with the Lakers along with LeBron James or Paul George.

In a pipe dream Cousins could sign with the Wizards on a one-year deal.

That's what I wish would happen. But it would have to be a 1 year, MLE deal which ain't happening.... assuming we can unload one of the Centers

As long as we're dreaming, trade Gortat and Mahinmi for Anthony Davis. And sign Cousins to a multi-year min salary deal.

I still think the best trade for all parties (NOP, Boogie, Team X) is probably LAL. The Mavs and the Bulls are too garbage and dont have the vet presence to keep Boogie in check.

Sign PG13, then get LeBron to sign contingent on Boogie trade. Trade Deng, Ingram, and Braynt / Zubac to NOP for Boogie.

NOP takes on the last two years of Deng and gets a Elite wing prospect in Ingram (Yes, he is an elite prospect given his age, tools, production, and usage)
LAL then signs a vet defensive wing to start with Lebron and PG13 (Maybe Bradley, but probably KCP)

Ball
KCP
PG13
Bron
Boogie

Bench: Hart, Kuzma, Bryant... plus about 3-4 vets tagging along for chip ride

NOP:
They are very interesting as they would be competitive over the next two years and possibly more if Ingram breaks through. Then in summer of 2020, they would have Jrue, AD, Ingram (Cap hold), and about 25M in cap space.... very interesting.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Say what you want about him, but he's been the face, the heart, the hope, and the quality of this organization since day one when he got drafted. When John Wall steps back on the court for the Wizards in Washington, there will be a massive standing ovation. Heck, people watching at home will stand up and applaud in front of their tv's.

Yup...and that ovation is getting louder with each passing game. Because the "Wizards are better without Wall" stuff that has been short-circuited and more and more fans are beginning to realize that the Zards--and Wall's teammates--need him in order to be all that they can be.

They played Golden State. They played Toronto. They played Indiana.

Scott Brooks' imagination got short-circuited.

I still love the way they played better without John... I'm not going to ignore 12 or 13 games because of three really bad games against good opponents.

[DCZards]

They played Golden State. They played Toronto. They played Indiana.

Scott Brooks' imagination got short-circuited.

I still love the way they played better without John... I'm not going to ignore 12 or 13 games because of three really bad games against good opponents.

I'm not ignoring those games either. There were important wins with great ball-movement that led to easy hoops. But isn't it pretty obvious that opponents are figuring out how to defend a Wall-less Zards now that they've gotten more and more film on the way the team is playing without Wall.

It isn't all on Brooks.

[Kanyewest]

OTOH, is he worth $40+m a year for the amount he, as a player, can make the Washington Wizards a better team? No, he sure isn't -- he's a hell of a good basketball player, but there probably aren't 5 players in the league who are good enough to warrant that kind of $$.

Which means that, if the deal made sense, I'd trade Wall in a minute. Has nothing to do w/ what I think of him as a person.

I'd say there are 6 guys right now

Kevin Durant
Steph Curry
Anthony Davis
Giannis
LeBron James
James Harden

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

They played Golden State. They played Toronto. They played Indiana.

Scott Brooks' imagination got short-circuited.

I still love the way they played better without John... I'm not going to ignore 12 or 13 games because of three really bad games against good opponents.

I'm not ignoring those games either. There were important wins with great ball-movement that led to easy hoops. But isn't it pretty obvious that opponents are figuring out how to defend a Wall-less Zards now that they've gotten more and more film on the way the team is playing without Wall.

It isn't all on Brooks.

No, it is not ALL on Brooks; but most of it sure is.

I'm not sure if teams have figured them out. I do see that Satoransky seems to have less swagger and free flow to his game. I see Bradley Beal MORE AND MORE dominating the ball. I think that's by the Wizards doing more than forced by opponents.

DEFINITELY there's a scouting report on the Wizards, but Scott Brooks is SO DARNED PREDICTABLE. He could EASILY throw in a wrinkle or two but he NEVER Does.

--Porter at SG
--McCullough with the starters at PF and maybe SF
--Sato, Mahinmi, Oubre, Porter, Mahinmi (No Beal lineup but with shooters and rim protection/putbacks)
--Sato, Oubre, Porter, Scott, Gortat

There are so many combinations that Brooks hasn't tried....No, i don't think other teams scouted the Wizards thoroughly. I think at the first sign of failure he went back to insisting Beal dominate the basketball and take EVERY SINGLE LAST SHOT AFTER POUNDING THE BALL.

[Ruzious]

Watching games, you can see teams are presuring Sato more when he's handling the ball. Wiz are setting picks for him full court. It's workable, but it makes things a lot tougher, and it makes it more difficult to run plays. I'd still much rather him handling the ball than Beal, but there are issues. And give credit to Brooks for using Otto to help occasionally with the ball-handling.

[80sballboy]

Watching games, you can see teams are presuring Sato more when he's handling the ball. Wiz are setting picks for him full court. It's workable, but it makes things a lot tougher, and it makes it more difficult to run plays. I'd still much rather him handling the ball than Beal, but there are issues. And give credit to Brooks for using Otto to help occasionally with the ball-handling.

Yes and teams are putting bigger guards on him. Indiana put Dipo on him and Joseph on Beal. Miami doubled him and Beal a lot. But yes, they are not allowing him to put the ball on the floor without getting into his jock. And it's working. If Wall sees that, he's going to take that as a disrespect and try to cross them over.

[nate33]

The Pelicans are better now.

Mirotic is a perfect fit for that team. In the absence of DeMarcus Cousins Anthony Davis is becoming a devastating player. There is no way for him to do that with Boogie occupying space inside and having high usage.

I think for DeMarcus Cousins a much better future move would be to sign with the Lakers along with LeBron James or Paul George.

In a pipe dream Cousins could sign with the Wizards on a one-year deal.

That's what I wish would happen. But it would have to be a 1 year, MLE deal which ain't happening.... assuming we can unload one of the Centers

Remember, he would need to be here 3 years before we get Bird Rights and have an exception available to sign him to max or near max money.

Cousins playing here for 1 year does nothing whatsoever to serve his interests.

[tontoz]

Watching games, you can see teams are presuring Sato more when he's handling the ball. Wiz are setting picks for him full court. It's workable, but it makes things a lot tougher, and it makes it more difficult to run plays. I'd still much rather him handling the ball than Beal, but there are issues. And give credit to Brooks for using Otto to help occasionally with the ball-handling.

Yes, and team turnovers are going up due to the increased ball pressure. Tomas isn't going to punish the defense for pressuring the ball like Wall would. And I still don't get Brooks' fascination with playing Beal at pg.

If Wall comes back and is willing to sacrifice some shots/ possessions for the teams benefit it could take this team to a new level. That remains to be seen though.

[payitforward]

My only takeaway is that Jeff Teague had a better season than Wall last year.

Welp I'm out.

Good point...why do i even communicate when someone says something like that!

Just as a matter of interest, do you have any idea what Jeff Teague's numbers were last year?

You don't, do you? & that's because, I assume, numbers don't matter. How good a guy's numbers were in a season have nothing to do with how good a season he has -- isn't that right?

Except in John's case, of course, right? His numbers last year were the best of his career, so he had a great year. Not Jeff Teague, however -- no matter what his numbers were.

Does that about sum up your ability to analyze a guy's play? As in "John good; other guy not John so not good." That about it?