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Political Roundtable Part XIX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#361 » by dckingsfan » Thu Mar 8, 2018 8:37 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:I'll repeat this as often as necessary also.

Both parties are broken, but in different ways.

The GOP's job is to represent the wealthy, but they can't say that out loud, and to win people to their side they necessarily have to lie and cheat and steal. Their business model is hypocrisy.

The Dems don't have this problem. They have no incentive to be dishonest. But they are incompetent because they have to represent a lot of different little issues, the constituents of whom don't give a damn about the others.

The Dems don't lie. They will never lie, that has never been their problem and never will be. The Dems' problem is incompetence, not hypocrisy.

The GOP problem is lies, lies, lies. They govern too effectively, by deceiving people.

We need more effective governing from the Dems, and less effective governing from the Republicans. May never happen. It's an underlying incentives thing.

One can only hope that the Rs as we know it disappear and actually care about creating a government that works. One can only hope we will have a democratic party that eventually understands sustainable government. If either happen before I die - I will be sooooo happy.

Until then - I am not holding my breath.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#362 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 8:40 pm

montestewart wrote:No. 1 Hannity is the best in television just like No. 1 McDonalds is the best in cuisine. As Hands might say, they may be No. 1, but they seem more like No. 2.

If you are number one in the ratings by a country mile and you will allow the left to have a voice on your show how was that not a good thing?


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#363 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 8:46 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#364 » by montestewart » Thu Mar 8, 2018 8:58 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
montestewart wrote:No. 1 Hannity is the best in television just like No. 1 McDonalds is the best in cuisine. As Hands might say, they may be No. 1, but they seem more like No. 2.

If you are number one in the ratings by a country mile and you will allow the left to have a voice on your show how was that not a good thing?


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#365 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 8, 2018 9:07 pm

montestewart wrote:No. 1 Hannity is the best in television just like No. 1 McDonalds is the best in cuisine. As Hands might say, they may be No. 1, but they seem more like No. 2.

Yeah, I consider Hannity very much like a number 2.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#366 » by TGW » Thu Mar 8, 2018 9:13 pm

Hey look, the "good" Democrats are going to help the "evil" Republicans further deregulate banks:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/10-years-after-financial-crisis-senate-prepares-to-roll-back-banking-rules/2018/03/04/e6115438-1e37-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.b17178644ce4

Whoever said the Democrats were as stupid and misguided as Republicans is the real fool...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#367 » by Pointgod » Thu Mar 8, 2018 9:24 pm

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Imagine a world where the Democratic establishment continues doing those things and then they also do the things Republicans do to win elections and prevent their opponents from governing.

Would you be saying “my what an effective bunch! they have a clear and actionable message here!” ?

You wouldn’t. You’d be railing against how corrupt and awful they are! You’d be worried about the norms being eroded.

The GOP methods of winning elections and capturing their goals boil down to lying and breaking the rules. It’s easy to have a powerful message when you make things up!

“Obama, a secret muslim, is bringing socialism to the US. Grab your guns before they’re gone.” Wow, the efficacy of the GOP! They really have their house in order! The Dems just don’t have a message!


The GOP breaks the rules because that's the only way they can win majorities. I agree.

But why don't the Democrats mount an effective strategy to stop them? You won't hear them talk about interstate cross check and how to reverse it. They don't want to breakup monopolies or the banks. They don't want to do the HARD WORK of governing and using public power effectively.

It's an ideology!


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This is a plan put forth by corporate puppets Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. You'll get no arguments from me that Democrats have a messaging problem but you're asking a lot from a party that haven't been in power the past 7 to 8 years. Republicans were the party that only lived to go against Obama at every turn. The Republican party is also the party that gerrymandered districts to circumvent the will of the people. Obama was serious about governing, he made numerous attempts to be bipartisan, he had a Congress that worked to undermine him 75% of his Presidency. Republicans cant even get their **** together right now despite controlling all 3 branches of government. The Democrat's biggest problem is that they have a constituency that expects results. So they can't lie like Republicans and make up wild promises like breaking up banks because governing is harder than campaigning.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#368 » by closg00 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:06 pm



The brother of Betsy DeVos is cold busted. There are so-many characters involved, when they make the movie, who should play Manafort,Trump, & Kushner?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#369 » by Wizardspride » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:19 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#370 » by Pointgod » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:17 am

closg00 wrote:

The brother of Betsy DeVos is cold busted. There are so-many characters involved, when they make the movie, who should play Manafort,Trump, & Kushner?


Manafort:

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#371 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:43 am

Do I trust the North Koreans? Nope.

But with that being said, I'm all for diplomacy.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#372 » by TGW » Fri Mar 9, 2018 1:07 am

Pointgod wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
Imagine a world where the Democratic establishment continues doing those things and then they also do the things Republicans do to win elections and prevent their opponents from governing.

Would you be saying “my what an effective bunch! they have a clear and actionable message here!” ?

You wouldn’t. You’d be railing against how corrupt and awful they are! You’d be worried about the norms being eroded.

The GOP methods of winning elections and capturing their goals boil down to lying and breaking the rules. It’s easy to have a powerful message when you make things up!

“Obama, a secret muslim, is bringing socialism to the US. Grab your guns before they’re gone.” Wow, the efficacy of the GOP! They really have their house in order! The Dems just don’t have a message!


The GOP breaks the rules because that's the only way they can win majorities. I agree.

But why don't the Democrats mount an effective strategy to stop them? You won't hear them talk about interstate cross check and how to reverse it. They don't want to breakup monopolies or the banks. They don't want to do the HARD WORK of governing and using public power effectively.

It's an ideology!


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Crack Down on Corporate Monopolies & the Abuse of Economic and Political Power


This is a plan put forth by corporate puppets Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. You'll get no arguments from me that Democrats have a messaging problem but you're asking a lot from a party that haven't been in power the past 7 to 8 years. Republicans were the party that only lived to go against Obama at every turn. The Republican party is also the party that gerrymandered districts to circumvent the will of the people. Obama was serious about governing, he made numerous attempts to be bipartisan, he had a Congress that worked to undermine him 75% of his Presidency. Republicans cant even get their **** together right now despite controlling all 3 branches of government. The Democrat's biggest problem is that they have a constituency that expects results. So they can't lie like Republicans and make up wild promises like breaking up banks because governing is harder than campaigning.


It's sad that you actually believe the silliness that those two corrupt dirtbags print on a website. They did this a couple of days ago:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/6/17086452/democrats-dodd-frank



Democrats are really standing up for the people! :lol:
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Post#373 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 2:40 am

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Post#376 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 2:57 am

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well hillary didn't win so he cant go around collecting massive speaking fees like Bill did. and i dont think michelle wants anything to do with public office. so netflix it is!! make no mistake this man will be worth 500 million with 8 years.

and for what?? he added 10 trillion to our national debt doubling all the previous presidents from the beginning of time in his 8 years.

failed to defeat isis, taliban, al queda, et al. failed foreign policy in iran. failed foreign policy in north korea. failed to keep jobs in the US. lost so many jobs oversees. terrible trade deals allowed to continue. massive regulation contricting our economy so that global economies oversees could thrive. massive foreign apology tour. allowed in massive amounts of illegal immigrants keeping poor black, white, and hispanic existing americans wages low. massive failure as a president!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#377 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:01 am

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Post#378 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:03 am

not a fan but Alex Jones has been calling this 3 months. mid march deadline.
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Post#379 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 4:23 am

tired of winning yet?

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Post#380 » by Pointgod » Fri Mar 9, 2018 4:14 pm

Looks like Nate and SD20 are going national folks!

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