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GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM)

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#321 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:59 pm

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Ruzious wrote:I particularly like Kieff's landing - but they really need to move back the floor seats at the Wiz games - it's ridiculous how little room there is.

When Otto's healthy - actually when everyone's healthy, he should be the #1 shooting option at the end of games. Maybe he doesn't create the shot, but the play should end up with him shooting.

It's going to take me a while to get over Oubre's uber-stupid foul on Wade when Wade threw up a 3 point shot. That's exactly the shot we want Wade taking, and then Oubre... ^%&(%((^(*_#. The single stupidest thing I've seen on a basketball court this season. Hopefully a learning experience.
Markieff's foul was the single stupidest thing in my opinion. Scott Brooks. Fouling intentionally when they were up three against Boston was the second stupidest...

Kelly Oubre is a young guy so I will somewhat give him the benefit of a doubt. Plus, Dwyane Wade kind of drew that foul and I thought he might have been flopping.

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I don't even know what fouls you're talking about. There's no excusing the Oubre foul. And no - Wade didn't draw that foul.
Regardless of it being in a crucial situation, you NEVER fould DWade when he's shooting a corner 3 - he's not going to make it. Oubre stuck his arm straight out - fully extended at Wade - and kept his arm extended like that long after Wade released the ball - the contact occurred as Wade landed - again long after he released the ball. Oubre wasn't even looking at Wade when the contact occurred. It would have been idiotic for a 10 year old - let alone an NBA player. It was so bad that Kara Lawson verbally eviscerated him - something that's very rare for a local broadcaster to do.
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Re: RE: Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#322 » by FAH1223 » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:21 pm

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What an indictment, clearly this is psychological, you can see the change in body language during those clutch situations. For what he is getting paid, he should be seeing a good sports psychologist.

Side-note: Get some fricking help over here, Sessions is not the answer and Brooks doesn't trust Meeks. We have two spots.
Porter, Satoransky, and a big (either Morris or Gortat) should be on the court along with Beal. Markieff hit the key shot yesterday but Gortat can catch the ball and redirect a pass. I would trust Jodie Meeks before Kelly oubre at this point to make an open shot. Meeks is a veteran who no opponent is going to leave open.

There should be two-man action, as someone posted earlier, instead of Beal dribbling the life out of the basketball.

Porter is the best player to take a last shot.

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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#323 » by Dark Faze » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:45 pm

I would probably go to Otto almost exclusively for game winners if I were coach
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#324 » by 80sballboy » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:47 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I would probably go to Otto almost exclusively for game winners if I were coach


He's fine as long he can get open.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#325 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 7, 2018 9:24 pm

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Dark Faze wrote:I would probably go to Otto almost exclusively for game winners if I were coach


He's fine as long he can get open.

We have one of the top pick setters in the game in Gortat. Otto should be the first option.
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Post#326 » by dangermouse » Thu Mar 8, 2018 5:59 am

Beal seems to have got over his clutch free throw jitters. They were mental.

Game winning shots need to be next on his agenda. I feel he would work better getting open into a catch and shoot situation though. ANYTHING but iso ball. I'd even prefer to go to Wall in iso ball last minute shots than Beal. But some kind of action off a screen is a much higher % shot for Beal.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#327 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:03 pm

dangermouse wrote:Beal seems to have got over his clutch free throw jitters. They were mental.

Game winning shots need to be next on his agenda. I feel he would work better getting open into a catch and shoot situation though. ANYTHING but iso ball. I'd even prefer to go to Wall in iso ball last minute shots than Beal. But some kind of action off a screen is a much higher % shot for Beal.

Yeah, Wall is definitely a better one-on-one iso player than Beal. Wall can always get off that fading 18 footer going to his right. He only makes it 20% of the time under pressure, but at least he gets a shot off. If you put Beal in an isolation situation that the defense has prepared for, there's a good 25% chance that he is unable to even get a shot off. And the shots he does get off, don't ever go in.

They really should start using Beal as a decoy. Just run versions of that Otto Porter play that FAH1223 posted. Let Beal dribble the shot clock down to 6 seconds or so, get Otto coming off a down screen, and let him get up a shot. The defense will be so keyed on Beal that Otto is likely to get a clean look. And Otto with a clean look from anywhere has a 50% chance of going in.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#328 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:05 am

If only we had a game thread we’d know that Anthony Davis is questionable. Hint hint.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#329 » by Fookal » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:18 am

dangermouse wrote:Beal seems to have got over his clutch free throw jitters. They were mental.

Game winning shots need to be next on his agenda. I feel he would work better getting open into a catch and shoot situation though. ANYTHING but iso ball. I'd even prefer to go to Wall in iso ball last minute shots than Beal. But some kind of action off a screen is a much higher % shot for Beal.


The problem is that Beal's shots are not heavily contested in clutch and he still can't make them. What is normally a 60-80% shot for him, in the final 30 sec drops to 20% at most. In the Pacers' loss, Brooks did a great job to draw 2(!) plays that got Beal basically the shots he could dream about and they were not even close... (+ he missed a contested layup IIRC)

2 options - either make him take those shots until he starts hitting (been a looong time...) or give him a damn break, pass the ball to Otto or even Kieff or Gortat for an iso - still a higher % than what we have now. A play for a Sato corner 3-pointer would be perfect, he shoots over 50% of those. So many possibilities, just do something...
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Post#330 » by CobraCommander » Fri Mar 9, 2018 4:17 am

dangermouse wrote:Beal seems to have got over his clutch free throw jitters. They were mental.

Game winning shots need to be next on his agenda. I feel he would work better getting open into a catch and shoot situation though. ANYTHING but iso ball. I'd even prefer to go to Wall in iso ball last minute shots than Beal. But some kind of action off a screen is a much higher % shot for Beal.


It seems like i recall him shooting 50% in those situations...but i could be wrong. Do you have the updated FT in clutch time.

BTW...from watching a lot of NBA games a lot of people shoot 50% in the clutch...Chris Paul missed one of two recently in the clutch so did J.J. Reddick and they are just better FT shooters than Beal...anytime. ...and dont even talk about Lebron..so I’m not even sure Beal is really that bad anyway come compared to the rest of the league in these situations.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#331 » by dangermouse » Fri Mar 9, 2018 4:20 am

The day Sato hits a game winning 3 is the day my wife divorces me because she'll have fallen to number 2 on list of people i love.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#332 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 1:40 pm

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dangermouse wrote:Beal seems to have got over his clutch free throw jitters. They were mental.

Game winning shots need to be next on his agenda. I feel he would work better getting open into a catch and shoot situation though. ANYTHING but iso ball. I'd even prefer to go to Wall in iso ball last minute shots than Beal. But some kind of action off a screen is a much higher % shot for Beal.


It seems like i recall him shooting 50% in those situations...but i could be wrong. Do you have the updated FT in clutch time.

BTW...from watching a lot of NBA games a lot of people shoot 50% in the clutch...Chris Paul missed one of two recently in the clutch so did J.J. Reddick and they are just better FT shooters than Beal...anytime. ...and dont even talk about Lebron..so I’m not even sure Beal is really that bad anyway come compared to the rest of the league in these situations.

Here are the numbers for the season:

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=GP&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&ClutchTime=Last%2030%20Seconds&PointDiff=3&PerMode=Totals&Period=4

Basically, only Wall and Beal get shots in the final 30 seconds, and their FG percentage are an absolute train wreck (Beal shoots 21% and turns the ball over, Wall shoots 20%). If you look at the final 3 minutes, you will see that Beal and Wall are still pretty bad from the floor (Beal 34%, Wall 25%), but Otto, Morris and Oubre are rock solid on limited attempts.

From the free throw line, Beal shoots 70% in the final 3 minutes and 65% in the final 30 seconds. Everyone else on the team is fantastic in the final 30 seconds; literally nobody else has missed a single free throw. The team is pretty good overall from the line in the final 3 minutes with only Beal and Gortat shooting well below their normal FT%.
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Re: GT #65: HEAT @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#333 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 1:47 pm

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Here are the numbers for the season:

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=GP&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&ClutchTime=Last%2030%20Seconds&PointDiff=3&PerMode=Totals&Period=4

Basically, only Wall and Beal get shots in the final 30 seconds, and their FG percentage are an absolute train wreck (Beal shoots 21% and turns the ball over, Wall shoots 20%). If you look at the final 3 minutes, you will see that Beal and Wall are still pretty bad from the floor (Beal 34%, Wall 25%), but Otto, Morris and Oubre are rock solid on limited attempts.

From the free throw line, Beal shoots 70% in the final 3 minutes and 65% in the final 30 seconds. Everyone else on the team is fantastic in the final 30 seconds; literally nobody else has missed a single free throw. The team is pretty good overall from the line in the final 3 minutes with only Beal and Gortat shooting well below their normal FT%.


Here are the numbers is just the last 15 games without Wall:
http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=GP&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&ClutchTime=Last%2030%20Seconds&PointDiff=3&PerMode=Totals&Period=4

Beal is substantially better from the floor and from the FT line in the final 3 minutes (36% FG, 40% 3P, 88% FT). He is still horrible from the floor in the final 30 seconds (1 for 6) but is making his free throws (5 for 6).

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