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Post#1661 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Mar 8, 2018 4:10 pm

Spud2nique wrote:Any of you guys change your minds on JJJ or liked him as a prospect from the beginning?



I have given him some additional consideration because of the growing consensus among the analytics crowd of his potential impact.

I don't love him, because he can't consistently create his own. shot. But he has few flaws and, given more time, will likely grow into a more complete big man.

He's very young and years away. But the potential is undeniable.


NOTE: don't think he's a franchise changer. Seems like a Serge Ibaka clone.
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Post#1662 » by Spud2nique » Thu Mar 8, 2018 4:11 pm

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Oh uh, me and Mik were jus' ... uh, hangin' out. :)

If we get #1 we take Ayton without much hesitation, IMEO.

Also agree that, even if we fall a bit, we still good.



Ya I don’t think any team can not take Ayton #1...it would be scrutinized to death.

Also, much like you cooling off on Sexton, I’m starting to heat up on a prospect that I initially disliked and that’s JJJ. Is he starting to grow on anyone else.

I mean initially I saw a Marvin Williams clone but I think he’s a bit more than that and much much stronger despite having essentially the same frame or body type.

Again, I have 6 guys ahead of him but if our position in the draft dictates us taking him, I’m not mad at all. Would be a nice frontcourt start..

C- JJJ
PF- Collins
SF- Prince

Or

C- Collins
PF- JJJ
SF- Prince

Lean and mean up front.

Any of you guys change your minds on JJJ or liked him as a prospect from the beginning?


Watch closely, he’s no duck.


Well, I never saw Marvo in JJJ. I saw yet another pogo stick out-athleting guys. *yawn* May as well just sign Brendan Wright for cheap (who? exactly).



The deer Wright...the left handed wonder...the guy from Raleigh?... :lol:

Hey, if your allowed to get off Sexton a bit, can’t I get on JJJ....

Ummmmm ok no more internet for me today that just sounded wrong...where Jay with that cat gif? Lol.
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Post#1663 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Mar 8, 2018 6:07 pm

A rough stretch for the top foreign prospect:

Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
Age: 19.0 | Height: 6-8 | Weight: 228
Current rank: No. 1 | Trending: Down


Doncic remains the top prospect on our big board despite a rough last ten games that encompass the entirety of February and the beginning of March. During that stretch, the 19-year-old is shooting a meager 20.8 percent from 3-point range and a paltry 68.5 percent from the foul line. Whether it’s tired legs from the amount of basketball he’s played over the last few years or simply a rough stretch, it’s a trend worth tracking.

He’s now shooting just 31.3 percent from deep on the season, although his fundamentals — namely the number of 3-point makes he knocks down per 40 minutes and his overall free throw percentage — still suggest he’ll be an above average 3-point shooter in the NBA.


Even with his struggles, Doncic has still been productive, averaging 21.4 points, 6.9 rebounds and 6.7 assists per 40 minutes since the start of February. Those numbers don’t diverge too significantly from his season long numbers — 24.9 points, 8.6 rebounds and 7.2 assists — and perhaps suggest just how high the Real Madrid guard has set expectations.
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Post#1664 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Mar 8, 2018 6:18 pm

Spud2nique wrote:Any of you guys change your minds on JJJ or liked him as a prospect from the beginning?


JJJ apparently projects to as a better version of Mo Bamba.


With NCAA Tournament approaching, NBA Draft stock watch examines status of top prospects

Jaren Jackson Jr., PF/C, Michigan State
Age: 18.5 | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 242
Current rank: No. 2 | Trending: Up


Jackson’s rise is largely powered by his unicorn credentials. The Michigan State freshman is averaging 20.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 5.6 blocks per 40 minutes while shooting 39.6 percent from behind the arc this season. It’s rare to find a 6-11 center who hoists more than 5.0 3s per 40 minutes with Jackson’s block rate.

The 18-year-old has continued to show growth in his offensive game as well, improving as a straight-line driver from the perimeter, and even occasionally flashing the ability to pass on the move.

However, Jackson’s play in the Big Ten has highlighted some long-term concerns. He still struggles to stay on the court due to foul trouble.

More concerning has been Jackson’s play around the rim offensively. Currently, the 6-11 freshman ranks in the 58th percentile scoring around around the basket on non-post-up plays, per Synergy. Certainly, some percentage of his struggles can be credited to a lack of easy dump offs, but even on those plays, Jackson lags behind the other elite bigs.

Jackson may simply lack the vertical pop of some of the other top prospects.

In the NBA, his offensive game will be hindered if he’s only capable of popping to the 3-point line out of ball screens. Notably, Jackson’s registered zero possessions this season rolling to the basket, per Synergy.

Still, Jackson’s overall package resonates as valuable for the way modern NBA offenses work, and his defensive instincts are second to none at the top of the draft. As a result, he’s trending upward despite the warts on his resume.
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Post#1666 » by Spud2nique » Thu Mar 8, 2018 9:51 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Any of you guys change your minds on JJJ or liked him as a prospect from the beginning?



I have given him some additional consideration because of the growing consensus among the analytics crowd of his potential impact.

I don't love him, because he can't consistently create his own. shot. But he has few flaws and, given more time, will likely grow into a more complete big man.

He's very young and years away. But the potential is undeniable.


NOTE: don't think he's a franchise changer. Seems like a Serge Ibaka clone.


Do you see any Garnett in him? I also like the fact that his dad was in the league for a while. I remember him on the Spurs. He’s been around the game since day 1, that has to be a positive.
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Post#1667 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 10:58 pm

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On Doncic:
1. Until we know better, Luka Doncic is the best prospect in the draft at every position and in every role but center.

I don’t know if Doncic will be able to initiate at the NBA level, though there’s at least a decent chance. But even if Doncic can’t do that, or can only do so part time, he could be the most valuable off-ball offensive player we’ve seen in the last twenty years. Anything Draymond Green or Kevin Love can do on offense, Doncic can do better and with more ease. In that case, imagine Doncic a lot like Lonzo Ball (who I’d argue has been a top 20-25 NBA player in the last 15 games he’s played) except bigger with a better handle, better shake, more ability to punish switches inside (if small) and on the outside (if big), but with slightly less preternatural ball movement, less pure vertical and less speed. I find it also very likely that he’ll bring some defensive value.

2. There is worry about Doncic’s jump shot as he’s shooting in the very low 30s from 3. Basically every player that has any semblance of all-around game like Doncic and similar 3-point attempts per 40 minutes and free throw percentage has figured out how to shoot jumpers from distance in the NBA. The only real concern here is if these percentages speak to some potential creation difficulty against better athletes and Doncic might in time need to be moved off the ball. So long as he has a smart coach, that shouldn’t be a real worry. As stated above, Doncic is a rare player who could be more valuable off the ball than all but the very best initiators are on it, and that scenario will allow Doncic to spend more energy on defense. Doncic’s passing ability, strength potential and competitiveness are three factors that should not be overlooked.
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Post#1668 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:00 pm

The Stepien

On Jaren Jackson Jr.
3. Jaren Jackson Jr. is either the best center prospect since Karl Anthony-Towns (if mostly one dimensional) or the best center prospect since Joel Embiid (if the offensive game comes around). On defense, his ability is at times reminiscent of Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis, and Nerlens Noel. The worst case scenario on that end is that he never learns how to anchor against the games bigger centers, making him something like center iteration of Lonzo (able to be beaten at the point of attack but with good recovery and excellent team defense).

On offense, there might be some fool’s gold. Though it seems a possibility, I’m far from confident Jackson is a future 40 or 45 percent 3-point shooter in the NBA. But Jackson has a couple of other factors that make him unlikely to be a total zero on offense, including his dribbling ability from the perimeter, his finishing ability at the rim (67 percent per hoop-math.com, 78 percent on put backs, and it would not be surprising if it improved not only as Jackson matured physically but played in a more spaced out and sophisticated game) and a burgeoning passing ability that comes with both promise and more than a few decision-making lapses. At the start of the season, I wrote that Jackson seemed like a player who had read the instruction manual but didn’t know exactly when to utilize his knowledge. This problem is not necessarily a bad one for a player who will likely be the youngest in the draft.
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Post#1669 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:04 pm

On DeAndre Ayton

Deandre Ayton is another super safe bet. I’d bet against him becoming a weapon on defense, but on offense we are probably looking at a player who will fall somewhere between Andre Drummond and DeMarcus Cousins on the center spectrum. Offensive centers that defensive per-minute metrics like more than they should is due to rebounding. There is real opportunity cost with running possessions through a player like this if they aren’t among the most efficient players in the league, but I’d be surprised if Ayton is not seen by his peers and the coaches of the league as an all star.


The sheer number of centers in this draft should tell us something about their likely value going forward. I’ve even left out Mitchell Robinson, who by some sources is estimated to be the best defensive player of all of them. ...... They can’t all be a top 5 or a top 10 player at their position. And without injury, none of these players are particularly likely to overtake Joel Embiid or Anthony Davis (thank god he’s now playing center). Perhaps it’s possible for a player like Jaren Jackson, but also not entirely likely.

So we have a group of 8-10 players who are being considered near the top of this draft for a deep position (from traditional centers like Embiid, Kristaps, Gobert, Adams, Cousins, Capela, Drummond et al to traditional power forwards like Anthony Davis and Serge Ibaka sometimes manning the position, not to speak of Durant, Lebron, Giannis and the like who all sometimes play there). Does it strike you funny that the upside for all is spoken about as “best player in the league” or “best player at his position”? It does me.

If there are 8-10 players in the draft and one can’t sort through them well enough to figure out who the best one is, the likelihood is that none of them are all that great to begin with. True greatness at the center position is in most cases readily apparent in almost every case. The only exceptions we have to this rule in recent times are three overlooked European players: 1) Gobert, who I’m convinced was underrated 2) Jokic, who I know for a fact was underrated and 3) Marc Gasol, a fat guy with real skill who got into shape and improved athletically. Kristaps may soon join this list.

The lone American exception is 6-foot-7 dynamo Ben Wallace, who was underrated because he lacked the typical dimensions of a NBA center. Basically every other great player at this position in history is a guy like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Shaquille O’Neal, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Tyson Chandler, Joel Embiid or even Karl Anthony-Towns. This kind of greatness was apparent from the get go, not just by the eyes, but by the all around numbers. Which is to say, if there is any doubt as to who the best player at this position might be, that probably is a sign that there is something lacking in the players at hand.
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Post#1670 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 11:08 pm

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On Trae Young

Trae Young’s defense will be terrible in the NBA. Count on negative two. Don’t be surprised if he’s negative three or negative four. The only out for Trae on defense is that he’s so good on offense to consistently allow his defense more favorable starting positions. That is, the only out for Trae on defense is that he’s as good as Steve Nash, probably the best interior finisher who couldn’t jump that we’ve ever seen.

Is Trae Young ahead of Steve Nash at the same age and stage? Yes. By far. Does that guarantee that he’ll continue to stay ahead as his career progresses? Far from it. He could continue to progress and stall out at the level of a player like Mark Price, a no doubt about it all star, but not a league defining difference maker. He could be shut down by NBA size and athleticism, as he’s been shut down by added attention as the season progressed, and be Luke Ridnour.

It would be wrong to merely dismiss the struggles Trae is having as the season goes on. This kind of overlooking was done with D’Angelo Russell who struggled mightily against NBA quality defense in his freshman season at Ohio State (JP Tokoto and UNC, Terry Rozier and Louisville, TJ McConnell and Arizona), which foreshadowed issues Russell has continued to display in terms of both decision-making and his driving game.

The point is that Russell hasn’t been nearly as good as might have been anticipated. We could see the signs in college if we didn’t choose to ignore them. Trae might exceed my expectations (I hope so, it would be incredibly fun), but right now I’d bet against Trae being the next Nash, even if he had perhaps the best freshman half season in college basketball history.

Expect much of the NBA, outside of perhaps Sacramento, to have some of the same concerns, which will likely drop Trae to the 6-11 range, where a team might get one of biggest steals in draft history. While I’d bet against Trae becoming Steve Nash good, that skinny end upside does exist. It is a possibility.
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Post#1671 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:19 am

Jontay Porter is an interesting prospect the Hawks could be looking at with the MIN or HOU pick. He is a 7 foot SF with a jump shot, who can give you some minutes at PF on the NBA level. His size and shooting make him a multi position player, which seems to be a big thing now in the new NBA.

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Post#1672 » by HMFFL » Fri Mar 9, 2018 5:44 am

Two different mock drafts.

6th Michael Porter Jr
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2018-nba-mock-draft-3-6-2018/

5th Hawks
Luka Doncic | INTL | SG
The Slovenian wing is killing it for Real Madrid, dominating against grown men in the Spanish League at the age of 18. Who knows what he'd look like in the American college game, but my guess is he'd be a top-five player in the player of the year race. Doncic is a versatile and confident wing; his confidence might be the one thing that sets him apart over every player in this draft. What if he's a taller Manu Ginobili? That's a pretty high ceiling. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2018-how-the-draft-would-shake-out-if-every-player-reached-his-ceiling/
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Post#1673 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:11 pm

HMFFL wrote:Two different mock drafts.

6th Michael Porter Jr
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2018-nba-mock-draft-3-6-2018/

5th Hawks
Luka Doncic | INTL | SG



Man, Luka falling to 5th?

That'd be pretty crazy. And pretty great for us.
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Post#1674 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:26 pm

^ I only found one mock draft that had Doncic going in the top 2. He seems to be getting over hyped from the fans only. I'm also concern about Doncic coming from the Spanish league, who has a horrible track record in producing NBA wing players.

If this was the 90s, I wouldn't be excited about Luka, he would be a mid to late first round pick, but in the new NBA where athleticism is not so important any more and shooting and ball handling are key to breaking the zone, i think Luka has a shot at being a possible top 15 player.

He could be like Exum, Kristap, Ricky Rubio, and Jan Veselý, who all ended up falling 2-3 spots lower then where they are projected. I would be ok with that, but i still want to play it safe and hopefully the Hawks can lock it up and get in the top 2
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Post#1675 » by dms269 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:28 pm

4 way tie for 3rd worst record.

Come on Hawks, you can tank.
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Post#1676 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:32 pm

dms269 wrote:4 way tie for 3rd worst record.

Come on Hawks, you can tank.



Don't the Hawks win the tie breaker with all four teams because of the conference record?
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Post#1677 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:44 pm

NBA Scout on Michael Porter Jr.: He 'Has Ground to Make Up' to Be a Top-3 Pick

Michael Porter Jr. has returned. On Thursday, he scored 12 points on 5-of-17 shooting in a 62-60 loss to Georgia, but the bigger story is that suddenly each Missouri game in the NCAA tournament is a must-watch for NBA scouts.

They originally viewed him as a top-three or even No. 1-pick candidate early in November. But that was before back surgery.

So what will it take for him to re-establish his credibility with scouts as a can't-miss top pick in the draft?
Two viewpoints are being expressed:

"Porter wins just by playing again," one NBA scout told Bleacher Report. Some feel that showing he's healthy will be enough, given his well-documented talent and achievements during high school.


But then there are scouts who still need convincing, particularly given the other appealing options teams can choose from in this year's top 10.

"He needs to go crazy in the tournament and prove his high school flaws are fixable," a second scout answered. "I didn't think he defended at all, for instance. And I thought he played small around the rim."

Porter unsurprisingly looked rusty most of the game against Georgia on Thursday. It was a reminder why choosing to play was risky. But you could see why there is so much buzz surrounding the 6'10" combo forward who still made two threes against Georgia and showed the ability to get himself looks by spacing the floor.

Where he goes in the draft will come down to its order and the eye of the pick's beholder.
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Michael Porter Jr.’s NBA Draft Stock Is Intact, but Missouri’s SEC Tournament Hopes Are Over

The former no. 2 overall recruit finally rejoined the Tigers on Thursday, but his presence wasn’t enough to propel the team to a win


It took less than a minute for Michael Porter Jr. to remind Missouri fans of what they’d been missing. With just under three minutes elapsed in the Tigers’ first SEC tournament game against Georgia, the former no. 2 overall recruit took the floor to a standing ovation. He immediately showed off his skill set, pulling down a rebound on one of his first defensive possessions and finishing with a layup on the other end just seconds later.

He finished with 12 points on 5-of-17 shooting—including a clutch 3-pointer with just under a minute left to pull the Tigers within one—and added eight rebounds, a block, and an assist in 23 minutes. But the Bulldogs beat Missouri 62-60, and the fifth-seeded Tigers made an early exit from the SEC tournament.

After a rough first half, it looked as though Porter had made the wrong choice. The 6-foot-10 forward shot 2-of-10 from the field, scored five points, and added four rebounds, a block, and an assist before the break. But while he showed his rust at times—like when he airballed a catch-and-shoot 3 from the top of the arc midway through the first half—his aggression on both ends of the floor was promising.

While it wasn’t the performance he and the Missouri faithful were likely hoping for, he likely played well enough to buoy his draft stock. He showed glimpses of the dynamic scorer that’s able to sink jumpers from deep as well as finish at the rim. He’s long enough to play multiple positions at the next level, and though he hasn’t been a standout defender up to this point, he has the size to develop into an impact player on that end of the floor.
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Post#1678 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:45 pm

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Post#1679 » by dms269 » Fri Mar 9, 2018 12:50 pm

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dms269 wrote:4 way tie for 3rd worst record.

Come on Hawks, you can tank.



Don't the Hawks win the tie breaker with all four teams because of the conference record?


Unless they changed, what I have found is that it is a random draw. In the past they have put balls into a machine and pulled the winner out that way. So Atlanta, Orlando, Dallas, and Sacramento would to be placed for 3rd worse, then who is picked would be removed from the pool and they could continue down.
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Altman, who previously handled scouting duties for the Cavaliers in his role as assistant general manager, continues to handle those duties after his promotion to general manager. He’s no doubt seen better from Porter so this performance isn’t likely to move the needle for him too much one way or the other.

The biggest question was likely how Porter would look coming back from injury. Of course it will take time for him to return to full health but it’s good to get a prognosis on how good his body looks right now.
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