Game 64: Clippers (34-29) host Cavaliers (38-26) on 03/09 @ 10:30 PM

JGOJustin · Post #2 » by **JGOJustin** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:03 am

They've got to take Wejo out of the 1st 5 and put either Montrezl or Lou in there.

They're starting out too far behind post all star break. Almost-9 in 1Q ORTG and 22nd overall NET RTG in 1st quarters. Even in the games that we've won post all star, New York came out killing us, Denver came out killing us, and New Orleans came out and blitzed us in the 1st quarter.

Overall, we have the 28th best D in the league post all star break and a big part of that is how we start 1st and 3rd quarters with IMO an inept starting 5. We don't have the personnel to be great on D and it's too late to make drastic changes defensively, but we can be better and a big part of being better on D is being better on offense.

Ranma · Post #3 » by **Ranma** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:09 am

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JGOJustin · Post #4 » by **JGOJustin** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:07 am

Heh, what do ya know. Doc throws Lou (and sin) into the starting 5 and they get off to a much better start. No coincidence.

Ranma · Post #5 » by **Ranma** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:09 am

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esqtvd · Post #7 » by **esqtvd** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:47 am

JGOJustin wrote:They've got to take Wejo out of the 1st 5 and put either Montrezl or Lou in there.

They're starting out too far behind post all star break. Almost-9 in 1Q ORTG and 22nd overall NET RTG in 1st quarters. Even in the games that we've won post all star, New York came out killing us, Denver came out killing us, and New Orleans came out and blitzed us in the 1st quarter.

Overall, we have the 28th best D in the league post all star break and a big part of that is how we start 1st and 3rd quarters with IMO an inept starting 5. We don't have the personnel to be great on D and it's too late to make drastic changes defensively, but we can be better and a big part of being better on D is being better on offense.

Ace call on WeJo. Sindarius got the start and is a team-high 20 minutes and +23 at the half. WeJo and Dekker eating pine, which they've earned.

Great point on the D--We got off to a great start with a 35-17 1stQ and lead by 14 at the half.

Boban got some burn but never got started--a team-worst minus-9 in only 4 minutes. Just couldn't leave him out there.

Right now LeBron's just trying to get the other guys going. He's a team-worst minus-23 but you know that ain't gonna stick. I dunno if we're doing an audition for the King James Roadshow, but his Cavs are failing theirs.

nickhx2 · Post #8 » by **nickhx2** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:18 am

imagine if we could have ty wallace instead of wes johnson

Post #9 » by **og15** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:19 am

Anyone else not as impressed with Milos as they were when he had played fewer games?

MartinToVaught · Post #10 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:21 am

og15 wrote:Anyone else not as impressed with Milos as they were when he had played fewer games?

I still like him. It's not his fault that Doc sets him up to fail by playing him in no-defense lineups and by subbing out players who can defend for him.

Post #11 » by **og15** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:23 am

MartinToVaught wrote:
og15 wrote:Anyone else not as impressed with Milos as they were when he had played fewer games?

I still like him. Doc sets him up to fail by playing him in no-defense lineups and by subbing out players who can defend for him.

Not that I don't like him, but they had put him in a lot of lineups to hide his weaknesses, but with more games under his belt, sometimes they can't, and his flaws are showing up more than they were earlier in the season.

TheNewEra · Post #12 » by **TheNewEra** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:33 am

Boban!!

Dynamix · Post #13 » by **Dynamix** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:56 am

Still bummed about Wallace, but at least Sin is making good use of his minutes.

Solid win that we desperately needed, now let's get two more against the tankers. After that it gets really tough, and we should be more than happy to play .500 ball until April.

esqtvd · Post #14 » by **esqtvd** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:12 am

Team win. Very unselfish. DJ [20 pts/23 rebs] was probably the one most auditioning for Bron's respect, though I can't quite see how they'll ever be teammates.

JGOJustin · Post #15 » by **JGOJustin** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:41 am

The Clippers have the 7th best offense in the league this season, 5th since AS break and have the 6th best overall net rating in the league since christmas.

Without a single All Star. Without Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, Luc Mbah AMoute, all of the key cogs that drove the Clippers elite level offenses in the lob city era.

What does it say about Doc Rivers that he can spit out a top 7 offense featuring DeAndre Jordan, Tobias Harris, Austin Rivers, Lou Williams, Tyrone Wallace, etc.? Does it change your opinion on Doc Rivers the coach moving forward? Because if I told you that this would be our roster before the season began, you'd bet the house that they'd be a bottom 10 offense and defense.

nickhx2 · Post #16 » by **nickhx2** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:51 am

and missing how many games from starters?

honestly made me laugh when that one dude said doc wasn't even top 10 this year lmao

JGOJustin · Post #17 » by **JGOJustin** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:04 am

Like, if Austin Rivers sucks, and is the team's starting guard.

And if Lou williams is the team's best player.

And if the guys getting minutes are largely G league and 2nd rounders and undrafted rookies,

And if all of the team's best players have missed significant time this season, (Their starting point guard broke his knee, their starting 3 that they traded a 1st for has barely played, among others)

How then can this team be an elite offense and be firmly in the playoff hunt? Every team above the Clippers has a dynamo All star level player, some with multiple.

If the above is true, then Doc Rivers has to be really, really, really good as a coach, no?

esqtvd · Post #18 » by **esqtvd** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:24 am

JGOJustin wrote:The Clippers have the 7th best offense in the league this season, 5th since AS break and have the 6th best overall net rating in the league since christmas.

Without a single All Star. Without Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, Luc Mbah AMoute, all of the key cogs that drove the Clippers elite level offenses in the lob city era.

What does it say about Doc Rivers that he can spit out a top 7 offense featuring DeAndre Jordan, Tobias Harris, Austin Rivers, Lou Williams, Tyrone Wallace, etc.? Does it change your opinion on Doc Rivers the coach moving forward? Because if I told you that this would be our roster before the season began, you'd bet the house that they'd be a bottom 10 offense and defense.

Don't even go there yet, JGO. If/when the Clips don't make the playoffs, the vultures will descend, count on it.

They've been quiet all year because they had to STFU as Austin had a good year and Doc has us in the playoff hunt despite all injuries and even trading Blake, probably the 2nd Greatest Clipper of All Time. Look how the vultures descended on this thread then disappeared when we actually won.

Don't leave yourself open to their "I told you so," bro. They are already so Shutted-TFU that all they do is retweets. Let them be.

I enjoyed the living sh*t out of tonight's victory over LeBron and his Cavs. Let's ignore the d-bags ruining everything and enjoy it! Tell it, Clipper Nation.

Great win.

Ranma · Post #19 » by **Ranma** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:27 am

I've never really disputed Doc being a good coach, but I have asserted that he was overrated before. I've posted before how I was open to having him be the Clippers coach only once he was stripped of GM powers, but despite doing an admittedly better-than-expected job of keeping us in the playoff race in spite of adversity, I still find myself hoping that we come up with a better coach with him departing for New York.

I still can't get over the damage he's done to the team as President of Basketball Operations these past years. After all, he's the one who drove CP3 away. While his favored nepotism towards Austin has been mitigated by his son's improved play, I still cringe at the idea that he still has influence with our personnel decisions in the front office. To be fair, that is how things are supposed to work in a coach-GM relationship, but I'm still bitter at Doc for his previous transgressions.

Of course, the risk and likelihood is that we won't find a suitable replacement for him as coach any time soon, but it's something I'm personally leaning towards. At the same time, I'm not actively campaigning for him to be fired like I was doing before. Doc definitely deserves credit for steering the Clippers' ship to postseason contention to this point, but I'd look for replacement candidates for consideration as his eventual replacement.

esqtvd · Post #20 » by **esqtvd** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:34 am

Ranma wrote:I've never really disputed Doc being a good coach, but I have asserted that he was overrated before. I've posted before how I was open to having him be the Clippers coach only once he was stripped of GM powers, but despite doing an admittedly better-than-expected job of keeping us in the playoff race in spite of adversity, I still find myself hoping that we come up with a better coach with him departing for New York.

I still can't get over the damage he's done to the team as President of Basketball Operations these past years. After all, he's the one who drove CP3 away. While his favored nepotism towards Austin has been mitigated by his son's improved play, I still cringe at the idea that he still has influence with our personnel decisions in the front office. To be fair, that is how things are supposed to work in a coach-GM relationship, but I'm still bitter at Doc for his previous transgressions.

Of course, the risk and likelihood is that we won't find a suitable replacement for him as coach any time soon, but it's something I'm personally leaning towards. At the same time, I'm not actively campaigning for him to be fired like I was doing before. Doc definitely deserves credit for steering the Clippers' ship to postseason contention to this point, but I'd look for replacement candidates for consideration as his eventual replacement.

Have to ruin our victory over LeBron? Dude. It's not all about you. Mercy.