DOORDOOR’s BIG BOARD *Updated With Post-Draft Bragging

[yoyoboy]

I really struggle to see how Sexton is a better prospect than Jaren Jackson. I think Sexton is the classic athletic point guard (dare I say combo guard) with substandard basketball IQ who gets overrated, and then he hits the league, puts up okay counting stats on poor efficiency and is consistently a significant negative in plus/minus.

[doordoor123]

I really struggle to see how Sexton is a better prospect than Jaren Jackson. I think Sexton is the classic athletic point guard (dare I say combo guard) with substandard basketball IQ who gets overrated, and then he hits the league, puts up okay counting stats on poor efficiency and is consistently a significant negative in plus/minus.

Sexton is someone that can translate much more at the next level. He’s a really good on-ball defender and is the first on the floor for the ball. He also has a really good Mid-range game, which is essential for point guards at the next level. He can dunk, which not a lot of point guards can do, he can really handle the ball and he can force his own basket.

Jaren Jackson I see as a bigger Serge Ibaka, which isn’t bad. Sexton has more upside offensively and he can defend.

To me this question is the same question of Serge Ibaka vs James Harden when the Thunder had to choose. Ibaka looked like the right choice, but Harden was the right choice. Jackson may look like the right choice, but I think Sexton is the right choice.

[doordoor123]

Okay, maybe I have McGee a little high, but I still see him as a valuable prospect.

[doordoor123]

Took me a while to do, but updated with stats. I might add videos too.

[The Master]

Thanks for stats but it'd be better if you add Ayton to your list on first page.

[The-Power]

I really struggle to see how Sexton is a better prospect than Jaren Jackson. I think Sexton is the classic athletic point guard (dare I say combo guard) with substandard basketball IQ who gets overrated, and then he hits the league, puts up okay counting stats on poor efficiency and is consistently a significant negative in plus/minus.

Sexton is someone that can translate much more at the next level. He’s a really good on-ball defender and is the first on the floor for the ball. He also has a really good Mid-range game, which is essential for point guards at the next level. He can dunk, which not a lot of point guards can do, he can really handle the ball and he can force his own basket.

Jaren Jackson I see as a bigger Serge Ibaka, which isn’t bad. Sexton has more upside offensively and he can defend.

To me this question is the same question of Serge Ibaka vs James Harden when the Thunder had to choose. Ibaka looked like the right choice, but Harden was the right choice. Jackson may look like the right choice, but I think Sexton is the right choice.

*edit: after this post I realized you have updated your big board today. So consider this a general discussion about the two players then, without paying attention to the references to you ranking Sexton higher than Jackson as they are apparently outdated.

Sexton has a really good midrange game? He shoots 29.6% on his 2pt jumpers according to hoop-math.com. His shooting numbers and ability from behind the arc look also rather pedestrian. Whether he can dunk or not is not really relevant, it doesn't help him much in terms of efficiency around the rim in college and it won't help him in the NBA. For guards, the situations in which they can actually dunk are almost exclusively situations in which they can just as well make a lay-up.

Sexton can give you the vibe of defensive energy but quite frankly much of that is just our perception because he has the ‘I slap the ground to show that I'm locked in‘ moments. Ultimately, though, I've seen him losing his assignment – especially off the ball – way too often to call him a good defender. He likes to get caught up in 1-on-1 match-ups but his team defense leaves much to be desired. And do you really think his on-ball defense, especially given the lack of length, is really going to make a difference in the NBA? He doesn't even look like a good on-ball defender in college, at least not remotely consistently.

To say ‘and he can defend‘ in a comparison with JJJ seems a little odd. JJJ has DPOY potential and changes opponents' offensive game planes on a daily basis in college, while I'm still wondering whether Sexton will be a negative defender in the NBA or not. Like, yes, he does have more offensive potential if he develops well (even though I'm of the opinion that if he doesn't develop in many areas, Jackson will ultimately be more useful in a team context). But Jackson is several tiers ahead when it comes to defense and defensive potential.

Also disagree on the ‘can really handle the ball and force his own basket‘ sentiment. Or, well, force might actually be the apt word here but not in a positive way. Yes, he has shown flashes of creational ability. But right now, most of the shots that don't come within the flow of the offense are either contested lay-ups or low-efficiency pull-up J's. If he doesn't improve a lot, you simply don't want him to ‘force‘ his shot which makes his ability in this regard much less relevant.

I also see analogy as clearly flawed. Jackson is a much better prospect than Ibaka. Better shooter, better on-ball skills, more versatile on defense and longer. At the same time, Sexton is a clearly inferior prospect compared to Harden. I know what you're trying to say here – I just don't think the example fits. Obviously I also don't agree with the general point given that I'm really high on Jackson. Much like yoyoboy, I fail to see even a single convincing for Sexton over Jackson at this point.

That said, I respect you as a poster and applaud you for the effort you put into scouting draft prospects and sharing your thoughts with us. So I hope you don't take my strong disagreement the wrong way – ultimately we all have to wait and see anyway.

[doordoor123]

Thanks for stats but it'd be better if you add Ayton to your list on first page.

Haha totally forgot Ayton. I also tweaked the big board. Feeling more comfortable with it.

[doordoor123]

Kind of moved some pieces around. Will probably be making a little more moves.

[doordoor123]

I’ll replace my big board before the end of the tournament, maybe sooner. For now I have tiers.

[doordoor123]

Updated first mock of 2018

[Spens1]

Young at 9, seems a bit low. I get why Orlando would want Porter Jr (they need a S.F).

[doordoor123]

Young at 9, seems a bit low. I get why Orlando would want Porter Jr (they need a S.F).

Ideally I would have him 5 or 6, but I don’t see Dallas, Chicago or Cleveland as ideal fits. If he goes that far down it’s possible a team trades up for him. The Kings are an option, but it wouldn’t be a good With with Fox and Young and it helps the Kings more immediately to get someone they need, especially when there is still upside on the board (and they’re a young rebuilding team).

[skywalker33]

Young at 9, seems a bit low. I get why Orlando would want Porter Jr (they need a S.F).

Didn't they just draft Isaac to play SF for them last year ??

[doordoor123]

Young at 9, seems a bit low. I get why Orlando would want Porter Jr (they need a S.F).

Didn't they just draft Isaac to play SF for them last year ??

Isaac is more of a 4/5 than a 3. If he’s playing at the 3 it’s no wonder he isn’t having a great year.

[GimmeDat]

I like your mock a lot. For the Bulls, I'd be uncomfortable drafting Robinson that high, though, given we don't have any college play to go by. They'd have to absolutely be in love with him after workouts. If the Pelicans pick fell back down to 15-20 range and we took him, I'd be very happy, though. As for Troy Brown, I've fallen a bit out of love with him lately, and I've been frustrated with Valentine's physical limitations, so not super keen on the pick, but at 23 you can't really argue with the value, he's a great option at that point.

Overall though, I share really similar sentiments on most of the guys, think we're in the same page with a lot of prospects.

[doordoor123]

I like your mock a lot. For the Bulls, I'd be uncomfortable drafting Robinson that high, though, given we don't have any college play to go by. They'd have to absolutely be in love with him after workouts. If the Pelicans pick fell back down to 15-20 range and we took him, I'd be very happy, though. As for Troy Brown, I've fallen a bit out of love with him lately, and I've been frustrated with Valentine's physical limitations, so not super keen on the pick, but at 23 you can't really argue with the value, he's a great option at that point.

Overall though, I share really similar sentiments on most of the guys, think we're in the same page with a lot of prospects.

Yeah, I’m not in love with that pick either from me. It’s a little high for Mitchell. It’s just a terrible spot for them. They’ll likely take A Bridges there, but I feel super uncomfortable taking one of those guys that high too. I just don’t think 8 is a great spot for the Bulls if they aren’t taking a point guard. There are also a couple of other picks that feel weird to me, like Metu to the 76ers and Hutichison going so late. I’ll adjust it soon.

[doordoor123]

Kind of weird that a day after I post my mock Draftexpress posts a mock with some of the same players at the same spots.

[GimmeDat]

I like your mock a lot. For the Bulls, I'd be uncomfortable drafting Robinson that high, though, given we don't have any college play to go by. They'd have to absolutely be in love with him after workouts. If the Pelicans pick fell back down to 15-20 range and we took him, I'd be very happy, though. As for Troy Brown, I've fallen a bit out of love with him lately, and I've been frustrated with Valentine's physical limitations, so not super keen on the pick, but at 23 you can't really argue with the value, he's a great option at that point.
Yeah, we're in a bit of a crap spot, just praying we move up a spot or two or someone drops. Otherwise I think we take Mikal.

Overall though, I share really similar sentiments on most of the guys, think we're in the same page with a lot of prospects.

Yeah, I’m not in love with that pick either from me. It’s a little high for Mitchell. It’s just a terrible spot for them. They’ll likely take A Bridges there, but I feel super uncomfortable taking one of those guys that high too. I just don’t think 8 is a great spot for the Bulls if they aren’t taking a point guard. There are also a couple of other picks that feel weird to me, like Metu to the 76ers and Hutichison going so late. I’ll adjust it soon.

[doordoor123]

Made a new top 60 and will explain why in my mock after the tournament

[doordoor123]

Updated after a long while.