2018 Trade Ideas thread

[ROballer]

Yeah, you can't call a guy elite on a 60 game sample size. You just can't. Especially when for 2+ seasons anybody here can agree he's been below average to borderline terrible defender.

Good, great, call him how the **** you want. But when you say elite I understand among the best, and I need to see at least two-three full seasons playing CONSISTENT DEFENSE(because he had lapses even this year, albeit few but he had them) before calling anyone elite.

I understand it's "hop Randle's cock year", but let's not get to ahead of ourselvez. I'll happily eat the crow if I see the same version of his effort level after he has the check in his pocket, he has the talent, mind not so much. You need 2/3 at least.

But one thing is certain, everybody else who was riding him this year will eat it too if he returns to his bad habits. I'll **** make sure of it.

[stan francisco]

Again, this is the first year in his short NBA career that he's either A) not out for the season due to broken leg B) not in a system with s stinky coach with no plan C) not watching Kobe shoot jumpers for his farewell season.

This is the first season he really has had a fair shot at some consistent growth. He's delivering.

Ball (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)
Hart (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)
Ingram (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)
LBJ (elite defender by historic measure)
Randle (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)

Kuzma (has a ways to go on the defensive end)

Add either PG or LBJ, not both.

Keep Randle. Let this team grow together GSW style. My speculative 2018-19 roster, see sig. Yes, Durant would love to threepeat with GSW, but after two rings and two finals MVPs, he might want to pick up that challenge glove that Kobe threw. I know how impossible it seems, but I'd still make an all in full blown pitch if I were Rob, Magic and Jeannie. I think KD wants to let it be known that there's a new sherrif in town, that he's now it, that LBJ is not it anymore.

Durant' defense is almost on par with LBJ's by the eye test.

It does take a certain kind of player — it takes the alpha of the league.

It's not PG13. It's either LBJ or Durant. Then A Davis and Kawhi (if healthy) in the following seasons.

Trust the progress. Sign one FA and re-sign Randle to a fair deal. After next season, trade Deng's expiring.

[Landsberger]

I liked your analysis of Randle vs Kuz. My thought: If we are able to get PG and Lebron...I think we will have to part with one. I think it will be Kuz myself.

I think Randle brings things to the table that Lebron doesnt so much anymore, and that PG never did....while Kuz, Lebron, PG, and to some extent Ingram are all kinda overlapping in skill sets. Not saying I agree....not saying I'm right....but thats how I see the writing on the wall. I think Kuz will also have more appeal due to his low contract. So you might find a buyer for Deng/Kuz/Cle-pick

In the name of "Lebron and PG" they will make that deal. And it will prob be better for Kuz. He'll get playing time with us.....but how much 4th quarter playoff time will he really get with those guys here? That will start to gnaw at him.

As Kilroy noted.... if it's a straight current value proposition I agree it might be Kuz that gets traded however trading him only solves the PT issues I don't think it solves the $$ issues.

Balance as a team is a key. Kuzma stretches the floor which Randle never will. For me it's a team construction issue not just a total value issues from the aspect of some pile of statistics. Does a PF who scores in the paint and no where else mesh with Bron and Ingram in the front court? That's a lot of people who need to score in the paint and only Bron is a proven offensive threat from 15' and out. Ball can spot up but I'm not sure he's a reliable shooter yet. If you don't get George then who's at the 2? KCP? Gotta layer in the balance on top of the $$ and potential before you get to an answer. Getting Bron is a 2 year window in all likelihood and then we're looking for another guy like that. How does a long term contract to Randle play into that mix? This offseason will shape our next 5 years as a franchise.

I also think we will have competition for Randle with teams that will throw a big pile at him to move quickly to put more pressure on us. Like I said in another post. Come the end of June we will see a bunch of cap lock posts full of emotion here. Should be fun.

[danfantastk32]

I liked your analysis of Randle vs Kuz. My thought: If we are able to get PG and Lebron...I think we will have to part with one. I think it will be Kuz myself.

I think Randle brings things to the table that Lebron doesnt so much anymore, and that PG never did....while Kuz, Lebron, PG, and to some extent Ingram are all kinda overlapping in skill sets. Not saying I agree....not saying I'm right....but thats how I see the writing on the wall. I think Kuz will also have more appeal due to his low contract. So you might find a buyer for Deng/Kuz/Cle-pick

In the name of "Lebron and PG" they will make that deal. And it will prob be better for Kuz. He'll get playing time with us.....but how much 4th quarter playoff time will he really get with those guys here? That will start to gnaw at him.

As Kilroy noted.... if it's a straight current value proposition I agree it might be Kuz that gets traded however trading him only solves the PT issues I don't think it solves the $$ issues.

Balance as a team is a key. Kuzma stretches the floor which Randle never will. For me it's a team construction issue not just a total value issues from the aspect of some pile of statistics. Does a PF who scores in the paint and no where else mesh with Bron and Ingram in the front court? That's a lot of people who need to score in the paint and only Bron is a proven offensive threat from 15' and out. Ball can spot up but I'm not sure he's a reliable shooter yet. If you don't get George then who's at the 2? KCP? Gotta layer in the balance on top of the $$ and potential before you get to an answer. Getting Bron is a 2 year window in all likelihood and then we're looking for another guy like that. How does a long term contract to Randle play into that mix? This offseason will shape our next 5 years as a franchise.

I also think we will have competition for Randle with teams that will throw a big pile at him to move quickly to put more pressure on us. Like I said in another post. Come the end of June we will see a bunch of cap lock posts full of emotion here. Should be fun.

Yep...with ya there

[TheHartBreakKid]

My only concern is if we get dicked around by PG/Lebron and lose Randle in the process, while not landing one of those guys. Rob and Magic really need to maneuver this situation perfectly....Either make sure you have a good read on what Lebron and PG are gonna do (Lebron through Rich Paul...PG should get the first meeting on 12 AM) AND/OR Talk to Julius' agent, let them know we want Julius to still be here, etc and try to get them to be a little patience though they really have no incentive to do so.


Of course, all of this is avoided if we trade Deng at draft night, but of course, that only also makes sense if you are confident in signing two max guys. Wasting an asset or two to get rid of Deng when we don't really need the capspace would be tough to swallow.


This is the one thing that I feel more comfortable with the new regime. i believe they're going to have a good idea through conversations and politicking regarding their chances in free agency...I don't see us waiting around and playing Lebron's games. Mitch and co seemed to play by the books to a fault in that kind of stuff...Magic and Rob seem like they know what they're doing.

Honestly, we only lose in this offseason if we don't retain Julius....Keep Julius and PG and that's a win. Sign PG and Lebron and lose Julius would sting, but it's hard to not call that a win. Find a way to get all three and that's obviously incredible. Just don't gamble losing Julius for nothing by waiting around for both those guys...that's all I ask if we can't find a way to dump Deng.

[lelelazza8]

Using capulator... this is my ideal summer moves...

1. Traded Luol Deng and Cavaliers 2018 First Round Pick, CHI 2019 Second Round Pick for Omer Asik
2. Waived Omer Asik (stretched)
3. Waived Tyler Ennis
4. Renounced all Cap Holds except J.Randle
5. Signed LeBron James to 2yrs/$ 72,467,500 contract starting in 2018-19 using Cap Space (Player Option 2nd year)
6. Signed Paul George to 2yrs/$ 62,115,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Cap Space (Player Option 2nd year)
7. Re-signed Julius Randle to 5yrs/$ 89,900,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception (Player Option 5th year)
8. Signed Nerlens Noel or Derrick Favors to 2yrs/$ 9,042,550 contract starting in 2018-19 using Room Mid-Level Exception (Player Option 2nd year)
9. Signed Mario Chalmers to vet min
10. Select Shake Milton with DEN 2nd round pick

Favors/Zubac/Bryant
Randle/Kuzma/LBJ
LBJ/Ingram/Kuzma
PG13/Ingram/Hart
Zo/Chalmers/Milton

LAL can use the "death lineup 2.0" with Zo/PG/Ingram/LBJ/Randle for the most of the game...

[evilpimp972]

I liked your analysis of Randle vs Kuz. My thought: If we are able to get PG and Lebron...I think we will have to part with one. I think it will be Kuz myself.

I think Randle brings things to the table that Lebron doesnt so much anymore, and that PG never did....while Kuz, Lebron, PG, and to some extent Ingram are all kinda overlapping in skill sets. Not saying I agree....not saying I'm right....but thats how I see the writing on the wall. I think Kuz will also have more appeal due to his low contract. So you might find a buyer for Deng/Kuz/Cle-pick

In the name of "Lebron and PG" they will make that deal. And it will prob be better for Kuz. He'll get playing time with us.....but how much 4th quarter playoff time will he really get with those guys here? That will start to gnaw at him.

As Kilroy noted.... if it's a straight current value proposition I agree it might be Kuz that gets traded however trading him only solves the PT issues I don't think it solves the $$ issues.

Balance as a team is a key. Kuzma stretches the floor which Randle never will. For me it's a team construction issue not just a total value issues from the aspect of some pile of statistics. Does a PF who scores in the paint and no where else mesh with Bron and Ingram in the front court? That's a lot of people who need to score in the paint and only Bron is a proven offensive threat from 15' and out. Ball can spot up but I'm not sure he's a reliable shooter yet. If you don't get George then who's at the 2? KCP? Gotta layer in the balance on top of the $$ and potential before you get to an answer. Getting Bron is a 2 year window in all likelihood and then we're looking for another guy like that. How does a long term contract to Randle play into that mix? This offseason will shape our next 5 years as a franchise.

I also think we will have competition for Randle with teams that will throw a big pile at him to move quickly to put more pressure on us. Like I said in another post. Come the end of June we will see a bunch of cap lock posts full of emotion here. Should be fun.

I agree about the concern with the fit
But we dont have a choice there, if LBJ and PG are willing to come, we can only re sign Randle over the cap, there wont be any cap space left for another player

[Penberthy]

Using capulator... this is my ideal summer moves...

1. Traded Luol Deng and Cavaliers 2018 First Round Pick, CHI 2019 Second Round Pick for Omer Asik
2. Waived Omer Asik (stretched)
3. Waived Tyler Ennis
4. Renounced all Cap Holds except J.Randle
5. Signed LeBron James to 2yrs/$ 72,467,500 contract starting in 2018-19 using Cap Space (Player Option 2nd year)
6. Signed Paul George to 2yrs/$ 62,115,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Cap Space (Player Option 2nd year)
7. Re-signed Julius Randle to 5yrs/$ 89,900,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception (Player Option 5th year)
8. Signed Nerlens Noel or Derrick Favors to 2yrs/$ 9,042,550 contract starting in 2018-19 using Room Mid-Level Exception (Player Option 2nd year)
9. Signed Mario Chalmers to vet min
10. Select Shake Milton with DEN 2nd round pick

Favors/Zubac/Bryant
Randle/Kuzma/LBJ
LBJ/Ingram/Kuzma
PG13/Ingram/Hart
Zo/Chalmers/Milton

LAL can use the "death lineup 2.0" with Zo/PG/Ingram/LBJ/Randle for the most of the game...

Yes.

[larry14r]

Again, this is the first year in his short NBA career that he's either A) not out for the season due to broken leg B) not in a system with s stinky coach with no plan C) not watching Kobe shoot jumpers for his farewell season.

This is the first season he really has had a fair shot at some consistent growth. He's delivering.

Ball (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)
Hart (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)
Ingram (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)
LBJ (elite defender by historic measure)
Randle (will be elite, already is a fantastic defender)

Kuzma (has a ways to go on the defensive end)

Add either PG or LBJ, not both.

Keep Randle. Let this team grow together GSW style. My speculative 2018-19 roster, see sig. Yes, Durant would love to threepeat with GSW, but after two rings and two finals MVPs, he might want to pick up that challenge glove that Kobe threw. I know how impossible it seems, but I'd still make an all in full blown pitch if I were Rob, Magic and Jeannie. I think KD wants to let it be known that there's a new sherrif in town, that he's now it, that LBJ is not it anymore.

Durant' defense is almost on par with LBJ's by the eye test.

It does take a certain kind of player — it takes the alpha of the league.

It's not PG13. It's either LBJ or Durant. Then A Davis and Kawhi (if healthy) in the following seasons.

Trust the progress. Sign one FA and re-sign Randle to a fair deal. After next season, trade Deng's expiring.

Let's see LBJ is not coming alone, and KD is staying in GS forever.

[stan francisco]

Ok, Mrs Chloe.

I'm not saying we're getting them. That's out of our control, pitching to them is not.

One injury to a star player on another team can offset all current balance.

[larry14r]

Ok, Mrs Chloe.

I'm not saying we're getting them. That's out of our control, pitching to them is not.

One injury to a star player on another team can offset all current balance.

Well KD opened his big mouth about staying with GS which I know he will.

[stan francisco]

Ok, Mrs Chloe.

I'm not saying we're getting them. That's out of our control, pitching to them is not.

One injury to a star player on another team can offset all current balance.

Well KD opened his big mouth about staying with GS which I know he will.

And I know it, too. I'd still go after him with everything I've got because to me, he's hands down the best two way player in the league. Kobe threw out the challenge. I'd follow up to make sure he doesn't want to be the next Laker legend, marquee name of the league.

[Spens1]

What is everyone's ideal offseasons. Mine would look like (if a bit unrealistic)

S&T:
Trade #1:
SAS-LAL

Julius Randle (plus like 1 or 2 future firsts)
for
Kawhi Leonard

Reasoning: The witch doctors at San Antonio think he's the next coming of Duncan or something like that. Or more likely that they're tired of Leonard's b.s. and we resign Randle and deal him off in this deal. The Spurs find a way to buy a first and draft Dzanan Musa cause Spurs (and he probably turns out to be the next Hedo also).

For us, do i really need to explain it, its Kawhi Leonard.

Trade #2:
ATL-LAL

Luol Deng + Cavaliers First + Orlando Second (both this year)
for
Future protected 2nd

Reasoning: Atlanta get a 4th first, they package 2 out of the 3 (probably 18+25) to move into the lottery to select a quality talent.

We get rid of Deng completely.

Buy #39 from Philly and draft Grayson Allen (Controversial i know)
#45 - Landry Schmet

F.A:
Paul George - 4 year Max
Nerlens Noel - partial MLE
Larry Nance Jr - Partial MLE (whatever is left of the F.A. money otherwise)

C Noel/Zubac/Bryant
P.F. Kuzma/Nance Jr
S.F. Leonard/Ingram
S.G. George/Ingram/Allen
P.G. Ball/Schmet

[Rosque]

Ingram on the bench? No spacing with our big guys outside Kuzma? Rookie backup pg? No thanks.

[Spens1]

Ingram on the bench? No spacing with our big guys outside Kuzma? Rookie backup pg? No thanks.

Well its more than he'd be getting a ton of minutes in rotation, with him, George, Kuz and Kawhi Leonard being rotated heavily. Ingram probably still gets above 30MPG (if only just)

[RamonSessions7]

Leonard could fetch more than that easily imo, Nance isn't a FA, and I don't hate Noel as much as some, but also would not enjoy heading into the season with him and zubac topping our center depth chart. I'll stick with my resign randle, add george and lebron pipedream.

[dockingsched]

sign Paul George, that’s all I’d expect for the offseason to be considered a success.

[dockingsched]

Ok, Mrs Chloe.

I'm not saying we're getting them. That's out of our control, pitching to them is not.

One injury to a star player on another team can offset all current balance.

Well KD opened his big mouth about staying with GS which I know he will.

And I know it, too. I'd still go after him with everything I've got because to me, he's hands down the best two way player in the league. Kobe threw out the challenge. I'd follow up to make sure he doesn't want to be the next Laker legend, marquee name of the league.

Going after him with everything youve got would include offering him a chance to pick a new coach if he wants, keeping cap space open for as long as needed even if other targets are ready to sign with the lakers or they’re ready to leave to another team. Don’t think you really mean go after him with everything you’ve got.

[Penberthy]

If Lebron/PG Fail: IT 1 yr deal, Resign Randle, Brook

Stay basic, grow, leave room for 2019

Ball (32) IT (16) Ennis
IT (16) Hart (32)
Ingram (32) Kuzma (16)
Randle (32) Kuzma (16)
Brook (24) ZuBryant (24)

I feel like the growth of the young guys, with the O help of IT could net us 15 more wins next year. That puts us in the three seed in today's standings. 2019 swing for the fences again in FA, GS and HOU are 1 year older.

[Slava]

If PG doesn't sign with the Lakers, I'd really like to see how Pelinka deals with Aaron Mintz.