The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[LordCovington33]

Shame, Simmons should have his 7th triple double tonight if his teammates could hit an open shot.

He got it though.
10/13/10 (2 turnovers)

[mediocrityrules]

it's interesting the different progressions in MPG between Simmons and Mitchell over the season. Simmons was averaging over 35 minutes per game up until christmas, and since then it has actually dropped to somewhere around 32-33 minutes per game, whereas Mitchell would have been around 32 MPG before christmas, and since then has gone up to probably just over 35 MPG since then (I only have monthly splits so not sure of exact numbers). Mitchell averaging 38.4 minutes per game in March so far (not including tonight's game).

I don't follow either team closely so not sure of the reasons for either case, but i just looked it up as interested to see how much time each of them spent on the court each game.

[Trugger]

it's interesting the different progressions in MPG between Simmons and Mitchell over the season. Simmons was averaging over 35 minutes per game up until christmas, and since then it has actually dropped to somewhere around 32-33 minutes per game, whereas Mitchell would have been around 32 MPG before christmas, and since then has gone up to probably just over 35 MPG since then (I only have monthly splits so not sure of exact numbers). Mitchell averaging 38.4 minutes per game in March so far (not including tonight's game).


I don't follow either team closely so not sure of the reasons for either case, but i just looked it up as interested to see how much time each of them spent on the court each game.

Thought I was the only one that noticed , and I’m not having a go a Mitchell, it’s a coach thing , it’s almost like Brown is holding Simmons back , 30 mins in a tight loss ( and still had a triple )!! , Mitchell 31 mins in 3/4 when they have been up 20+ points most of the game !

[theo42]

it's interesting the different progressions in MPG between Simmons and Mitchell over the season. Simmons was averaging over 35 minutes per game up until christmas, and since then it has actually dropped to somewhere around 32-33 minutes per game, whereas Mitchell would have been around 32 MPG before christmas, and since then has gone up to probably just over 35 MPG since then (I only have monthly splits so not sure of exact numbers). Mitchell averaging 38.4 minutes per game in March so far (not including tonight's game).


I don't follow either team closely so not sure of the reasons for either case, but i just looked it up as interested to see how much time each of them spent on the court each game.

Thought I was the only one that noticed , and I’m not having a go a Mitchell, it’s a coach thing , it’s almost like Brown is holding Simmons back , 30 mins in a tight loss ( and still had a triple )!! , Mitchell 31 mins in 3/4 when they have been up 20+ points most of the game !

Ben had 3 fouls in the first half so that limited his first half minutes.

More games since January where sixers won big and he sat would be another reason for reduced minutes.

[LakersSoul]

Rising from the ashes is..... KUZMA!!

26 points on the day with 5 minutes to go for the rookie.

[mediocrityrules]

Rising from the ashes is..... KUZMA!!

26 points on the day with 5 minutes to go for the rookie.

Didn't see the game. Were most of Lonzo's shot attempts contested? bad shot selection? missing open looks? I'm expecting to see him get better and better as the season rolls on, so nights like this throw me a little.

2-11 not the greatest return from the field.

[LakersSoul]

Rising from the ashes is..... KUZMA!!

26 points on the day with 5 minutes to go for the rookie.

Didn't see the game. Were most of Lonzo's shot attempts contested? bad shot selection? missing open looks? I'm expecting to see him get better and better as the season rolls on, so nights like this throw me a little.

2-11 not the greatest return from the field.

Lonzo didnt have his best game. Hard to group Lonzo with IT as Lonzo lets IT run the offense which slows down the pace.

As for the game, his best contributions were defensive side again going after steals and disrupting Denver but not enough to get me too excited about his performance in this game. Lonzo ended the game with 9 rebs, 8 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks and did contribute when he was in the lineup even though his shot wasnt falling. He should have attacked more to get some easy 2s instead of shooting the 3s so much. Oh well. He was team best +18 but not a good overall game by Lonzo tonight.

[Kolkmania]

What people are pointing to is how exceptional it is that a rookie is leading the teams offense in usage and points and they are winning!!!! Do you know what the word leading means? It means he has more ppg and a higher usage than anyone else. It doesnt mean people are arguing "nobody else on the team does anything of value"

I think Gobert is a superstar. Absolutely. I would argue he's a top 10 player in the league and everyone would think I'm nuts, Idc. Does that make Donovan less special because Gobert has a huge role in their winning? No...I don't know why it has to be that Mitchells team has to suck hard outside of him for the argument that he's a leader on this team and he's leading them in usage and ppg as a rookie to be something truly remarkable. Embiid is a superstar and a HUGE part of what the sixers do. It doesn't mean Simmons is a lesser player or not valuable.

I took issue with this notion that the Jazz making it into the playoffs with this team that's had half of it's roster turned over and their leading scorer leaving and Donovan is leading the offense as a rookie isn't a big deal. It's hard to do that and I don't think you're giving that enough credit...

That's your definition of leading though. Hypothetically, if a player breaks down a defense and drops it to a big for an open dunk or kicks it out for an open corner three every time, he'd have 0 PPG and 0 USG%. However, in my opinion he would still lead the offense.

Jazz has a motion offense, everybody has it's role and Mitchell's is shoot a lot. Rubio does a better job of distributing, Gobert's spacing and passing as a roll man is insanely valuable and Ingles shot creation is a big factor as well. I wouldn't necessarily say that the latter 3 are less important to the Jazz offense than Mitchell.

Him being the player with the highest amount of points per game on a PO team as a rookie is extremely impressive. However, it's also the result of some factors that don't happen often.

1. Mitchell being drafted by a team with the 24th win record, great rookies are generally drafted by the worst teams and therefore it's not often that rookies lead a playoff team in PPG.

2. The vacancy of a shooter in the roster. As mentioned above, Mitchell has a very specific role for this team, which is shooting. Not often does a rookie have a clear cut role as a scorer, without having the burden of creating shots for others. Absolutely a compliment to Mitchell that he's capable of filling this role, but this was a match made in heaven.

Once again. This is not a shot to Mitchell. He's an incredibly fun and talented player, but the notion that he should be ROTY solely based on the fact that he's the leading scorer is something I disagree with.

[McKenna]

Man, it's so good to see Simmons tie Magic for 2nd all-time in rookie triple doubles.

The chances of someone from my junior rep team making the NBA are small enough (in regional Australia), but to have him dominating so early in his career like he is, is absolutely next level.

I'm loving it.

[sunevisions]

Shame, Simmons should have his 7th triple double tonight if his teammates could hit an open shot.

He got it though.
10/13/10 (2 turnovers)

With a loss

[CoreyGallagher]

Shame, Simmons should have his 7th triple double tonight if his teammates could hit an open shot.

He got it though.
10/13/10 (2 turnovers)

With a loss

A loss that was because of 24 turnovers, only two of which he committed. Speaking in a broader sense than just Simmons, I think that’s the issue with our team, players try to make the extra passes which aren’t usually necessary.

[cl2117]

Simmons with a triple double and Mitchell with a positive 35 plus/minus?

I'd vote Simmons, but these two guys are making up for such a horrible ROY race last season. Great to watch.

[Litany]

It's looking likely that we'll have a couple guys that are heavy contributors as rookies to playoff teams. I can't wait to see them in the playoffs and see how they do. THat's generally a pretty different/big experience for them. It's so nice to have another team in the East (Sixers) that's interesting. Been too long since I cared about the East until the ECF, while I'd always watch the West all the way through.

[Black Mage]

Seems my praise of Lonzo shooting touch was premature. He's back to his hot garbage percentages.

However his team is playing extremely well at least.

[mjvile]

Donovan > Simmons....Simmons was a #1 pick and is doing what a number one guy is expected and dominate....Donovan was drafted at # 13 and is playing like a number one pick!!

[mediocrityrules]

Donovan > Simmons....Simmons was a #1 pick and is doing what a number one guy is expected and dominate....Donovan was drafted at # 13 and is playing like a number one pick!!

My personal opinion is that it goes to the best rookie, regardless of where they were drafted. Draft position should not be a factor, just on-court performance.

[Asian Celtic]

Donovan > Simmons....Simmons was a #1 pick and is doing what a number one guy is expected and dominate....Donovan was drafted at # 13 and is playing like a number one pick!!

That doesn't mean that Donovan is better. Donovan just outplayed his draft position as you stated.

[ryank88]

Jordan Bell outplayed his draft position too...maybe he's a sneaky chance ?

[KingFox]

Jordan Bell outplayed his draft position too...maybe he's a sneaky chance ?

Lmao right

They’re both incredible players and ROY means a lot, but only for two-three months and then it won’t matter. Trust me. Tyreke Evans is a great example of it, unfortunately

All of these guys still have to continue getting better and better and i feel that they will, but ROY isn’t everything guys. Relax

[vossy_3]

Donovan > Simmons....Simmons was a #1 pick and is doing what a number one guy is expected and dominate....Donovan was drafted at # 13 and is playing like a number one pick!!

Strange theory.....

I would lean more towards Donovan exceeding expectations but Simmons is the superior player.