Luka Doncic Part III

[daoneandonly]

You could even put Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players, at 18, in the same team, they would still lose against European team.

They'd put up stats like Doncic is doing, only better. Difference is, when they move to the NBA, their skills would translate and they'll also have success there.

I don't include Melo or Bosh is this because I've admitted there have been some Euroleague/overseas bigs that have been studs, ala Dirk, Giannis, Gobert, Jokic, Porzingas. All i want is for someone to show me the guard type guy that's in that conversation because I'm not going to all of a sudden believe Doncic is the guy to break the glass ceiling when so many others before him could not.

I put those two in conversation so they could form a solid team. You can not have 5 guards on the floor.
So we agree they would lose and Dončić is winning. Ok.

Answer one of my 2 questiosn then

1. What NBA player has Doncic played during the regular season with Real Madrid? OR
2. Which Euro guards have been superstar level players like Doncic is hyped to be?

[Nikson]

What is your point? The Euroleague guys he is playing will never make the NBA, whereas let's use a college guy, Trae Young, has already played more guys this seaosn who are NBA bound than Doncic has. His stats against a guy who can't sniff the NBA does not carry any weight. We'll see what he does when he gets here, my guess is struggle his first few years (which is 100% understandable) and then at his very best, be hedo ingles.

The opposite is correct. I am sorry.

Dončić in last 12 months, have played against more actual NBA players than Trae Young did against NBA bound players.
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Like who? I'm not talking these one off games where he plays against NBA guys, I'm talking during his Euroleague season with Real madrid. Who has he played that is also somehow in the NBA?

Look, I have now read everything. Like you do not even know who are you talking about.

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Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. (daoneandonly opinion)
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age. (fact)

[daoneandonly]

I’m sure Petrovic would have done it, if he didn’t die. And it was really difficult for non Americans back then.

Nobody hasn’t done what he’s doing in Europe at his age either. Rubio was the closest with very poor 6.5/2.8/3.5 and being 1 year older. Nobody except Sabonis was selected in first team of Eurobasket. Nobody was in conversation for MVP award.

What kind of argument to evaluate a player is, that nobody has done it before anyway?

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped when he was 15 in Europe. When he went in Nba everybody in Europe knew that he cannot shoot, he was 5th man of Barcelona. The difference between 6.5/2.7/3.5 and 17/5/4.5 is huge, don’t you agree? And this 17 means that he’s is second scorer in Euroleague. Hezonja was bench warmer in Europe and wasn’t hyped even in his Croatia. Exum played in Australia, I don’t know anything about their league, but I can imagine quality. Bender played in B team. Ntilikina was bench player in French league. All this players were hyped in USA for no reason.

I guess the question is why in the world where they soo universally hyped? it's not like it was one guy doing the hyping, this is what I fear with Doncic. And I think he's deserving of the skepticism.

[Nikson]

They'd put up stats like Doncic is doing, only better. Difference is, when they move to the NBA, their skills would translate and they'll also have success there.

I don't include Melo or Bosh is this because I've admitted there have been some Euroleague/overseas bigs that have been studs, ala Dirk, Giannis, Gobert, Jokic, Porzingas. All i want is for someone to show me the guard type guy that's in that conversation because I'm not going to all of a sudden believe Doncic is the guy to break the glass ceiling when so many others before him could not.

I put those two in conversation so they could form a solid team. You can not have 5 guards on the floor.
So we agree they would lose and Dončić is winning. Ok.

Answer one of my 2 questiosn then

1. What NBA player has Doncic played during the regular season with Real Madrid? OR
2. Which Euro guards have been superstar level players like Doncic is hyped to be?

Dončić has not only played for Real Madrid in year 2017 as 17 and 18 years old.

1. How many would you like me to write it down. What do you thing to what number can I get. A little bet. Not fore money. Just for fun.

[daoneandonly]

I put those two in conversation so they could form a solid team. You can not have 5 guards on the floor.
So we agree they would lose and Dončić is winning. Ok.

Answer one of my 2 questiosn then

1. What NBA player has Doncic played during the regular season with Real Madrid? OR
2. Which Euro guards have been superstar level players like Doncic is hyped to be?

Dončić has not only played for Real Madrid in year 2017 as 17 and 18 years old.

1. How many would you like me to write it down. What do you thing to what number can I get. A little bet. Not fore money. Just for fun.

I always thought 10 was a nice round number, go for it, name me 10 guys who Doncic has played against during his regular season. Again, I'm not talking about when they played the Thunder or actual NBA teams, we're talking Euro League. Who are these players that also can play in the NBA

[Nikson]

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped when he was 15 in Europe. When he went in Nba everybody in Europe knew that he cannot shoot, he was 5th man of Barcelona. The difference between 6.5/2.7/3.5 and 17/5/4.5 is huge, don’t you agree? And this 17 means that he’s is second scorer in Euroleague. Hezonja was bench warmer in Europe and wasn’t hyped even in his Croatia. Exum played in Australia, I don’t know anything about their league, but I can imagine quality. Bender played in B team. Ntilikina was bench player in French league. All this players were hyped in USA for no reason.

I guess the question is why in the world where they soo universally hyped? it's not like it was one guy doing the hyping, this is what I fear with Doncic. And I think he's deserving of the skepticism.

They were hyped because that how basketball business in USA work.
They hype guys to the roof. there is always 3-4 of them who get that kind of attention. Gallinary, than there is that other Italian C who I even do not remember his name anymore. He was nr.1 pick and played for Toronto...

[Rn5ho]

Guys, stop feeding the troll.. seriously. This topic is getting ridiculous again. He believes NCAA > Euroleague, that's enough of a sign that there's no point discussing as beliefs on each side are so far apart, it's like trying to convince Trump that wall makes no sense.

[Nikson]

Answer one of my 2 questiosn then

1. What NBA player has Doncic played during the regular season with Real Madrid? OR
2. Which Euro guards have been superstar level players like Doncic is hyped to be?

Dončić has not only played for Real Madrid in year 2017 as 17 and 18 years old.

1. How many would you like me to write it down. What do you thing to what number can I get. A little bet. Not fore money. Just for fun.

I always thought 10 was a nice round number, go for it, name me 10 guys who Doncic has played against during his regular season. Again, I'm not talking about when they played the Thunder or actual NBA teams, we're talking Euro League. Who are these players that also can play in the NBA

So Thunder players are not NBA players?

[Nikson]

Rn5ho, thanks.

[Bob8]

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped when he was 15 in Europe. When he went in Nba everybody in Europe knew that he cannot shoot, he was 5th man of Barcelona. The difference between 6.5/2.7/3.5 and 17/5/4.5 is huge, don’t you agree? And this 17 means that he’s is second scorer in Euroleague. Hezonja was bench warmer in Europe and wasn’t hyped even in his Croatia. Exum played in Australia, I don’t know anything about their league, but I can imagine quality. Bender played in B team. Ntilikina was bench player in French league. All this players were hyped in USA for no reason.

I guess the question is why in the world where they soo universally hyped? it's not like it was one guy doing the hyping, this is what I fear with Doncic. And I think he's deserving of the skepticism.

I have no idea why 6/3/3 guy, benchwarmers or players who played for B team was that hyped in America. Americans way of doing things I guess. Believe me that averaged basketball fan in Europe never even heard name of Hezonja, Bender and Ntilikina. Even Porzingis was almost unknown. The only exception was Rubio, but he was hyped when he played with 15 years in Spanish league, when he went in Nba, he was more or less old news.

[daoneandonly]

Dončić has not only played for Real Madrid in year 2017 as 17 and 18 years old.

1. How many would you like me to write it down. What do you thing to what number can I get. A little bet. Not fore money. Just for fun.

I always thought 10 was a nice round number, go for it, name me 10 guys who Doncic has played against during his regular season. Again, I'm not talking about when they played the Thunder or actual NBA teams, we're talking Euro League. Who are these players that also can play in the NBA

So Thunder players are not NBA players?

The Thunder don't play for the Euroleague, they play for the real league, the NBA. I asked what NBA level talent plays for Euroleague?

[Nikson]

I always thought 10 was a nice round number, go for it, name me 10 guys who Doncic has played against during his regular season. Again, I'm not talking about when they played the Thunder or actual NBA teams, we're talking Euro League. Who are these players that also can play in the NBA

So Thunder players are not NBA players?

The Thunder don't play for the Euroleague, they play for the real league, the NBA. I asked what NBA level talent plays for Euroleague?

That was not my question. You are backing up now. It is ok.

[daoneandonly]

Rubio was hyped when he was 15 in Europe. When he went in Nba everybody in Europe knew that he cannot shoot, he was 5th man of Barcelona. The difference between 6.5/2.7/3.5 and 17/5/4.5 is huge, don’t you agree? And this 17 means that he’s is second scorer in Euroleague. Hezonja was bench warmer in Europe and wasn’t hyped even in his Croatia. Exum played in Australia, I don’t know anything about their league, but I can imagine quality. Bender played in B team. Ntilikina was bench player in French league. All this players were hyped in USA for no reason.

I guess the question is why in the world where they soo universally hyped? it's not like it was one guy doing the hyping, this is what I fear with Doncic. And I think he's deserving of the skepticism.

I have no idea why 6/3/3 guy, benchwarmers or players who played for B team was that hyped in America. Americans way of doing things I guess. Believe me that averaged basketball fan in Europe never even heard name of Hezonja, Bender and Ntilikina. Even Porzingis was almost unknown. The only exception was Rubio, but he was hyped when he played with 15 years in Spanish league, when he went in Nba, he was more or less old news.

I was petrified that Dallas was going to select Ntlkinna last year as I just did not see the hype at all. I can see Doncic has some talent, but I'm not going to risk a top pick for him given what we've seen from Euro/Australian guards from years past, I just don't think it's worth the risk.

[daoneandonly]

So Thunder players are not NBA players?

The Thunder don't play for the Euroleague, they play for the real league, the NBA. I asked what NBA level talent plays for Euroleague?

That was not my question. You are backing up now. It is ok.

No you just have no answer for either question, again

1. What NBA level players are currently IN Euroleague
2. Which Euro guards have become superstars in the NBA, past or present?

[Bob8]

I guess the question is why in the world where they soo universally hyped? it's not like it was one guy doing the hyping, this is what I fear with Doncic. And I think he's deserving of the skepticism.

I have no idea why 6/3/3 guy, benchwarmers or players who played for B team was that hyped in America. Americans way of doing things I guess. Believe me that averaged basketball fan in Europe never even heard name of Hezonja, Bender and Ntilikina. Even Porzingis was almost unknown. The only exception was Rubio, but he was hyped when he played with 15 years in Spanish league, when he went in Nba, he was more or less old news.

I was petrified that Dallas was going to select Ntlkinna last year as I just did not see the hype at all. I can see Doncic has some talent, but I'm not going to risk a top pick for him given what we've seen from Euro/Australian guards from years past, I just don't think it's worth the risk.

Luckily for you, you will not make a pick. Or maybe we’re talking with Gm?

[Nikson]

The Thunder don't play for the Euroleague, they play for the real league, the NBA. I asked what NBA level talent plays for Euroleague?

That was not my question. You are backing up now. It is ok.

No you just have no answer for either question, again

1. What NBA level players are currently in Euroleague
2. Which Euro guards have become superstars in the NBA, past or present?

That was not original conversation or questions.

[Nikson]

We have come to some conclusions.
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Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. (daoneandonly opinion)
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age. (fact)
Dončić in last 12 months, have played against more actual NBA players than Trae Young did against NBA bound players.
(fact)
Trae Young have yet to play against actual NBA player.

[daoneandonly]

That was not my question. You are backing up now. It is ok.

No you just have no answer for either question, again

1. What NBA level players are currently in Euroleague
2. Which Euro guards have become superstars in the NBA, past or present?

That was not original conversation or questions.

Sure keep deflecting because the answer is none to both those questions, which is why GM's should be very cautious using a high pick on Luka Doncic. The 12th pick, 15th pick, etc, sure, take him. Top 5? You'd be a fool and will be fired in a few years

[Nikson]

No you just have no answer for either question, again

1. What NBA level players are currently in Euroleague
2. Which Euro guards have become superstars in the NBA, past or present?

That was not original conversation or questions.

Sure keep deflecting because the answer is none to both those questions, which is why GM's should be very cautious using a high pick on Luka Doncic. The 12th pick, 15th pick, etc, sure, take him. Top 5? You'd be a fool and will be fired in a few years

You are probably right.

[Bob8]

No you just have no answer for either question, again

1. What NBA level players are currently in Euroleague
2. Which Euro guards have become superstars in the NBA, past or present?

That was not original conversation or questions.

Sure keep deflecting because the answer is none to both those questions, which is why GM's should be very cautious using a high pick on Luka Doncic. The 12th pick, 15th pick, etc, sure, take him. Top 5? You'd be a fool and will be fired in a few years

I wouldn’t worry too much, if I were you. Dallas GM won’t be fired, because Dallas won’t have top2 pick. I can see some nice defensive C for Dallas and return to 1990.