2018 Draft Thread #6

[Moosegary]

Think it’s really hard to compare any College player to anyone in the NBA but its fun. Mikal Bridges is really unique because the draft usually doesn’t see juniors with his developing skill set. Most come out early. If he was a freshman and playing this way what would be the opinion on him? If we are at eight or nine and he is still available, I’m taking him. Besides age his biggest weakness would be his ball handling but through out the year there has been clear evidence of improvement in his ability off the dribble. To me he is a sure fire starter at the 3 for us and although older has the ability to still improve.

[kulaz3000]

Mikal may not have the highest upside due to him not being an elite athlete, but that shouldn't stop him from having the potential to be an All-star if he is able to put it all together, and continue to improve in the NBA.

What I will say about him though is that he will be able to make an impact from day 1, at the very least on the defensive end, and making open shots.

[_txchilibowl_]

I still want Bamba and Sexton. Make it so, Garpax....

[shakes0]

So in conference play trae young is posting some red flags. Like having more turnovers than rebounds.
6.6 turnovers per game.
Shooting less than 40% from the field.
Efg% less than 50%.
His Defensive rating is higher than his offensive rating.

i wouldn't put much stock at all into Trae's conference play. Way too much usage and stuck on a team with nothing but bums and a coach who just rolled the ball out there in November and didn't do anything else the rest of the year.

Trae is gonna be an amazing player when he's teamed up with guys who don't suck and playing vs teams that won't double team him at center court.

[Red Larrivee]

i wouldn't put much stock at all into Trae's conference play. Way too much usage and stuck on a team with nothing but bums and a coach who just rolled the ball out there in November and didn't do anything else the rest of the year.

Then what do you put stock in? Oklahoma has played like this all season. They never adjusted when their opponents did.

[Dominator83]

Is Mikal more Tony Snell than Kahwi Leonard though? Snell had a freakish wingspan too.


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Snell was never the best player on a national championship contending team though.

Snell just wasn't that good in general (for a future NBA player). Here are some of Snell's final (Junior) year numbers playing in the Mountain West Conference. For comparison, Mikal's comparable numbers are in parenthesis.

Per -17.0 (27.5)
TS% -.562 on 16.0 points/40 (.659 on 22.1 points/40)
FG% -.422 (.521)
2pt FG %- .452 (.606)
3pt %- .390 (.433)
rebs/40- 3.4 (6.6)
stls/40- 1.1 (2.0)
blcks/40- .6 (1.4)

I can see the comparison, but Snell was basically a homeless man's version of Mikal.

However, considering how great Kawhi is (at least when he is healthy), I don't think it's unreasonable to question if Mikal ends up closer to Snell.

How the hell did gar not see that Snell was awful?? He was a meh player in a craptastic conference

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[TheHrvReport]

Too bad we are tanking the tank.

Everyone seems high on Mikal. But with NY only winning 1 game since Porzingis went down, the pick is looking more like 9 than 8. If the big 7 and Mikal are all gone who do you have next?

Miles, Carter, Sexton, Knox, or other?

It's a tough call for me. I feel like it's such a monster drop off from 8 to 9 I won't walk away from this draft happy. The NO pick down to 23, what a fail.

In that case, I would swing for the fences and draft Miles Bridges. He's still young and has amazing athleticism, with a very high ceiling if he develops his dribbling. He also fits a position of need at SF.

[navdeep_singh]

Sorry if I missed it, but anybody got a good comparison of Miles v. Mikal and how each would fit to our team, as well as a comparison of each's athleticism, explosiveness, handles, vision, three ability, strength, rebounding, movement off the ball, ability to create own shot, speed, man D and help D.

[Dresden]

Snell was never the best player on a national championship contending team though.

Snell just wasn't that good in general (for a future NBA player). Here are some of Snell's final (Junior) year numbers playing in the Mountain West Conference. For comparison, Mikal's comparable numbers are in parenthesis.

Per -17.0 (27.5)
TS% -.562 on 16.0 points/40 (.659 on 22.1 points/40)
FG% -.422 (.521)
2pt FG %- .452 (.606)
3pt %- .390 (.433)
rebs/40- 3.4 (6.6)
stls/40- 1.1 (2.0)
blcks/40- .6 (1.4)

I can see the comparison, but Snell was basically a homeless man's version of Mikal.

However, considering how great Kawhi is (at least when he is healthy), I don't think it's unreasonable to question if Mikal ends up closer to Snell.

How the hell did gar not see that Snell was awful?? He was a meh player in a craptastic conference

It was the New Mexico St connection. Just like there is an Iowa St connection.

[Dresden]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-draft-tracker-porter-jr-220458154.html

[Dresden]

Brief article on how Porter would fit with Bulls and how him playing now is likely to influence scouts/gm's (answer: not much).

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I like her better than Trae already, draft her GarPax!

[WindyCityBorn]

How is Wendell Carter looking for #9?

[WindyCityBorn]

So we basically have 3 almost guaranteed wins left win Memphis, Knicks and Magic and two toss-ups with Brooklyn. We will be underdogs in every other game. So let's say that leaves us at with 4 more wins. The probably just about guarantees us 9th doesn't it? I guess I hope for Trae Young to be there if that happens. Not really a fan and still like Dunn, but Young has more upside than other player like to be there at that spot. I would NOT draft Sexton no matter what.

[GimmeDat]

A lot of draft guys are pushing Carter over Bagley at this point, so at #9 I don't think you can complain with Carter at all. I'm still taking Bagley over him, though, I think, on potential alone.

I'm starting to feel like the actual outcome of the draft might not be so cut and dry as I would've previously predicted. Maybe it does go as I would expect, maybe not, but I'm a lot more wary that my belief of who may be available at certain points in the draft might go completely out the window at some point.

As for this Pels pick.. man, that whole 15-25 range is SO tight. The Spurs have 38 wins and are in the lottery right now.. Portland have 41 wins and have the 5th best record in the league. Every Pels win/loss from this point on is going to massive for that picks value, and of course the results of surrounding teams.

And as for our pick? The Knicks are only half a game behind us now. I'm scared we're going to be even worse than 8th. Just give me Mikal and be done with it at this point. We're not as bad as the top tanking teams, it's ridiculous how hard they're throwing it in.

[WindyCityBorn]

A lot of draft guys are pushing Carter over Bagley at this point, so at #9 I don't think you can complain with Carter at all. I'm still taking Bagley over him, though, I think, on potential alone.

I'm starting to feel like the actual outcome of the draft might not be so cut and dry as I would've previously predicted. Maybe it does go as I would expect, maybe not, but I'm a lot more wary that my belief of who may be available at certain points in the draft might go completely out the window at some point.

I just do not understand how you can justifiably put Carter above Bagley. One guy is completely dominating the ACC as a freshman, has better measurable and WAY more potential. The other guy is Carter...who projects as solid at best. The play on the same team so it's not really hard to see who is better.

[WindyCityBorn]

A lot of draft guys are pushing Carter over Bagley at this point, so at #9 I don't think you can complain with Carter at all. I'm still taking Bagley over him, though, I think, on potential alone.

I'm starting to feel like the actual outcome of the draft might not be so cut and dry as I would've previously predicted. Maybe it does go as I would expect, maybe not, but I'm a lot more wary that my belief of who may be available at certain points in the draft might go completely out the window at some point.

As for this Pels pick.. man, that whole 15-25 range is SO tight. The Spurs have 38 wins and are in the lottery right now.. Portland have 41 wins and have the 5th best record in the league. Every Pels win/loss from this point on is going to massive for that picks value, and of course the results of surrounding teams.

And as for our pick? The Knicks are only half a game behind us now. I'm scared we're going to be even worse than 8th. Just give me Mikal and be done with it at this point. We're not as bad as the top tanking teams, it's ridiculous how hard they're throwing it in.

Who that is currently projected in the top 5 could see slipping as far as 9th?

[GimmeDat]

A lot of draft guys are pushing Carter over Bagley at this point, so at #9 I don't think you can complain with Carter at all. I'm still taking Bagley over him, though, I think, on potential alone.

I'm starting to feel like the actual outcome of the draft might not be so cut and dry as I would've previously predicted. Maybe it does go as I would expect, maybe not, but I'm a lot more wary that my belief of who may be available at certain points in the draft might go completely out the window at some point.

I just do not understand how you can justifiably put Carter above Bagley. One guy is completely dominating the ACC as a freshman, has better measurable and WAY more potential. The other guy is Carter...who projects as solid at best.

The argument would be, I imagine, that Carter is longer, the better passer, the better shooter, the better defender, his game translates better, he's more NBA ready, and upside wise he's not much of a downgrade in terms of age (still 18 himself) and athletically he's pretty good as well.

There's a fair argument for it, but like you, I'm not quite willing to go forego Bagley's pure upside, but that's based on the hope that Bagley turns in to a non-liability defensively, and his stroke and overall skill level offensively improves considerably over the next few years.

[WindyCityBorn]

A lot of draft guys are pushing Carter over Bagley at this point, so at #9 I don't think you can complain with Carter at all. I'm still taking Bagley over him, though, I think, on potential alone.

I'm starting to feel like the actual outcome of the draft might not be so cut and dry as I would've previously predicted. Maybe it does go as I would expect, maybe not, but I'm a lot more wary that my belief of who may be available at certain points in the draft might go completely out the window at some point.

I just do not understand how you can justifiably put Carter above Bagley. One guy is completely dominating the ACC as a freshman, has better measurable and WAY more potential. The other guy is Carter...who projects as solid at best.

The argument would be, I imagine, that Carter is longer, the better passer, the better shooter, the better defender, his game translates better, he's more NBA ready, and upside wise he's not much of a downgrade in terms of age (still 18 himself) and athletically he's pretty good as well.

There's a fair argument for it, but like you, I'm not quite willing to go forego Bagley's pure upside, but that's based on the hope that Bagley turns in to a non-liability defensively, and his stroke and overall skill level offensively improves considerably over the next few years.

What is an NBA player comparison for Carter? Horford?