Luka Doncic Part III

[daoneandonly]

That was not original conversation or questions.

Sure keep deflecting because the answer is none to both those questions, which is why GM's should be very cautious using a high pick on Luka Doncic. The 12th pick, 15th pick, etc, sure, take him. Top 5? You'd be a fool and will be fired in a few years

I wouldn’t worry too much, if I were you. Dallas GM won’t be fired, because Dallas won’t have top2 pick. I can see some nice defensive C for Dallas and return to 1990.

Dallas GM should be fired, the team is a train wreck. But who is your team? I'd much rather have a defensive big like Rudy Gobert than an every day run of the mill role player like Hedo Turkaglu and Joe Ingles, who Luka Donic will hope he can be one day.

[realEAST]

Guys, stop feeding the troll.. seriously. This topic is getting ridiculous again. He believes NCAA > Euroleague, that's enough of a sign that there's no point discussing as beliefs on each side are so far apart, it's like trying to convince Trump that wall makes no sense.

Yeah, I really don't get why people keep biting on cheap baits, guy is ridiculous, even a parott learns a new phrase once in a while.

Too bad posters like that keep derailing the thread and chasing good posters away.

[daoneandonly]

Guys, stop feeding the troll.. seriously. This topic is getting ridiculous again. He believes NCAA > Euroleague, that's enough of a sign that there's no point discussing as beliefs on each side are so far apart, it's like trying to convince Trump that wall makes no sense.

Yeah, I really don't get why people keep biting on cheap baits, guy is ridiculous, even a parott learns a new phrase once in a while.

Too bad posters like that keep derailing the thread and chasing good posters away.

So then why don't you guys name these perimeter Euroleague guys who are NBA caliber players? That's all it takes, and while you're at it, name one that has made the NBA that became a superstar.

[vincecarter4pres]

I've barely seen him play besides highlights and I might get flamed for this, but I can't help but think Vince Carter minus the insane highlight reel dunks when I watch Doncic play, at least stylistically.

Although he's got a consistent high release on his J, don't love how slow his release is though, or maybe more the beginning of his shooting form when he's bringing the ball up, looks very blockable by long athletic NBA defenders.

[bwgood77]

What do people expect Luka to be able to shoot from 3 in the NBA? He obviously has shot well int he past, but as the volume and attention goes up, it has dropped, and he is a tad under 34% for his career according to b-ref

https://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/luka-doncic-1.html

However, he has a very good free throw rate, and I'm guessing shoots pretty well on catch and shoot 3's (anyone have the numbers on those?).

[No-Man]

What do people expect Luka to be able to shoot from 3 in the NBA? He obviously has shot well int he past, but as the volume and attention goes up, it has dropped, and he is a tad under 34% for his career according to b-ref

https://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/luka-doncic-1.html

However, he has a very good free throw rate, and I'm guessing shoots pretty well on catch and shoot 3's (anyone have the numbers on those?).

37-38%

[samir7maher]

a little docu about Doncic

Watch on YouTube

By the way keep his mother away from Trump otherwise its wife number 4

[Bob8]

Maybe an interesting stats.

Bogdanovic, who’s in some ways similar to Doncic, had 12.3/3.3/3.1 in Euroleague and has very similar 11.7/2.9/3.4 in Nba.

[SportsGuy8]

And Satoransky is putting up 11.3/4.0/5.8 as a starter playing 30 minutes. In Europe, Doncic is almost twice the rebounder, and rebounding translates extremely well to the NBA (lots and lots of data). He's also a better passer. All this suggests that Doncic really shouldn't have that hard of a time averaging 7-8 RPG and 6-8 APG (depending how much he's going to have the ball in his hands), something many posters claim is ridiculous. PPG is a lot harder to predict.

[UcanUwill]

Maybe an interesting stats.

Bogdanovic, who’s in some ways similar to Doncic, had 12.3/3.3/3.1 in Euroleague and has very similar 11.7/2.9/3.4 in Nba.

Bogdanovic translated way better than I thought he would be. I thought he would the player who can do some things, but nothing very well at NBA leval, like that saying - jack of all trades, master of none. But he looks like he can legit shoot and even playmake, he has more playmaking duties in the NBA, than he had in Turkey actually. Of course he is playing on a weak Kings team, but it looks like he belongs regardless.

[Bob8]

Maybe an interesting stats.

Bogdanovic, who’s in some ways similar to Doncic, had 12.3/3.3/3.1 in Euroleague and has very similar 11.7/2.9/3.4 in Nba.

Bogdanovic translated way better than I thought he would be. I thought he would the player who can do some things, but nothing very well at NBA leval, like that saying - jack of all trades, master of none. But he looks like he can legit shoot and even playmake, he has more playmaking duties in the NBA, than he had in Turkey actually. Of course he is playing on a weak Kings team, but it looks like he belongs regardless.

Almost everybody from Europe translated pretty well in last years. Even Hezonja has better numbers than in Europe. Bender was playing in B team in Europe, so he’s much better in Nba too. Ntilikina was nobody in France. Both Bogdanovics and Saric are good in Nba. Teodosic solid. And if we go some years back. Rubio and Dragic doubled their Euroleague numbers. But people somehow think Doncic won’t translate, even though his game is made for modern Nba. Interesting.

[UcanUwill]

Maybe an interesting stats.

Bogdanovic, who’s in some ways similar to Doncic, had 12.3/3.3/3.1 in Euroleague and has very similar 11.7/2.9/3.4 in Nba.

Bogdanovic translated way better than I thought he would be. I thought he would the player who can do some things, but nothing very well at NBA leval, like that saying - jack of all trades, master of none. But he looks like he can legit shoot and even playmake, he has more playmaking duties in the NBA, than he had in Turkey actually. Of course he is playing on a weak Kings team, but it looks like he belongs regardless.

Almost everybody from Europe translated pretty well in last years. Even Hezonja has better numbers than in Europe. Bender was playing in B team in Europe, so he’s much better in Nba too. Ntilikina was nobody in France. Both Bogdanovics and Saric are good in Nba. Teodosic solid. And if we go some years back. Rubio and Dragic doubled their Euroleague numbers. But people somehow think Doncic won’t translate, even though his game is made for modern Nba. Interesting.

Yes, I really cant think of recent Euroleague successful player who hasnt translated. Tho I am not sure thats the problem with Doncic doubters, he has not only to translate but also improve a lot to be justified top 2 overall pick, and we have people who just dont believe in his ceiling, thats the big problem. If he translates his Euroleague numbers fully, he would still be considered bust by a lot of people. He is hyped as MVP caliber prospect, not a 17/6/6 third banana type.

[Bob8]

Bogdanovic translated way better than I thought he would be. I thought he would the player who can do some things, but nothing very well at NBA leval, like that saying - jack of all trades, master of none. But he looks like he can legit shoot and even playmake, he has more playmaking duties in the NBA, than he had in Turkey actually. Of course he is playing on a weak Kings team, but it looks like he belongs regardless.

Almost everybody from Europe translated pretty well in last years. Even Hezonja has better numbers than in Europe. Bender was playing in B team in Europe, so he’s much better in Nba too. Ntilikina was nobody in France. Both Bogdanovics and Saric are good in Nba. Teodosic solid. And if we go some years back. Rubio and Dragic doubled their Euroleague numbers. But people somehow think Doncic won’t translate, even though his game is made for modern Nba. Interesting.

Yes, I really cant think of recent Euroleague successful player who hasnt translated. Tho I am not sure thats the problem with Doncic doubters, he has not only to translate but also improve a lot to be justified top 2 overall pick, and we have people who just dont believe in his ceiling, thats the big problem. If he translates his Euroleague numbers fully, he would still be considered bust by a lot of people. He is hyped as MVP caliber prospect, not a 17/6/6 third banana type.

17/6/6 for a rookie year isn’t good? I guess everybody, who were drafted last year are busts. O.k. the #1 only forgot how to shoot.

There’s another thing, people, especially Americans, are forgetting. Best players in Europe are playing much less than in Nba. Doncic is having 17/5/4.5 in only 25 minutes. His 36 minutes numbers are more like 24/7/7, and if that translates...

[UcanUwill]

Almost everybody from Europe translated pretty well in last years. Even Hezonja has better numbers than in Europe. Bender was playing in B team in Europe, so he’s much better in Nba too. Ntilikina was nobody in France. Both Bogdanovics and Saric are good in Nba. Teodosic solid. And if we go some years back. Rubio and Dragic doubled their Euroleague numbers. But people somehow think Doncic won’t translate, even though his game is made for modern Nba. Interesting.

Yes, I really cant think of recent Euroleague successful player who hasnt translated. Tho I am not sure thats the problem with Doncic doubters, he has not only to translate but also improve a lot to be justified top 2 overall pick, and we have people who just dont believe in his ceiling, thats the big problem. If he translates his Euroleague numbers fully, he would still be considered bust by a lot of people. He is hyped as MVP caliber prospect, not a 17/6/6 third banana type.

17/6/6 for a rookie year isn’t good?

There’s another thing people, especially Americans, are forgetting. Best players in Europe are playing much less than in Nba. Doncic is having 17/5/4.5 in only 25 minutes. His 36 minutes numbers are more like 24/7/7, and if that translates.

If that translates, thats insane. Good point. But translating those numbers in rookie year will be incredibly hard, especially scoring rate. He needs to finish his Euro season first to get a clue what to expect, hes been rather average in recent weeks. Real just beat Armani without him, with Campazzo putting assist clinic.

17/6/6 for a rookie is insane good, but as I said, the problem with most Doncic doubters is that they dont believe in his ceiling.

[Bob8]

Yes, I really cant think of recent Euroleague successful player who hasnt translated. Tho I am not sure thats the problem with Doncic doubters, he has not only to translate but also improve a lot to be justified top 2 overall pick, and we have people who just dont believe in his ceiling, thats the big problem. If he translates his Euroleague numbers fully, he would still be considered bust by a lot of people. He is hyped as MVP caliber prospect, not a 17/6/6 third banana type.

17/6/6 for a rookie year isn’t good?

There’s another thing people, especially Americans, are forgetting. Best players in Europe are playing much less than in Nba. Doncic is having 17/5/4.5 in only 25 minutes. His 36 minutes numbers are more like 24/7/7, and if that translates.

If that translates, thats insane. Good point. But translating those numbers in rookie year will be incredibly hard, especially scoring rate. He needs to finish his Euro season first to get a clue what to expect, hes been rather average in recent weeks. Real just beat Armani without him, with Campazzo putting assist clinic.

17/6/6 for a rookie is insane good, but as I said, the problem with most Doncic doubters is that they dont believe in his ceiling.

why don’t you speak in first person?

Doncic played around 70 games already. 65 good to excellent. His only realy bad game in Euroleague was against Barca, where he played only 15 minutes, because it was 30 points difference very soon. The second bad one was, where he played 6 minutes and was ejected. Now tell me which Nba player has played 70 great games?

Armani is a joke of the team. On Sunday Real played with Barca. Losing in some point by 30. Campazzo +/- -29.

Dragic, much better in Nba. Rubio, much better in Nba. Your Ingles much better in Nba. Hezonja better in Nba. Saric better in Nba. Bogdanovic in rookie year almost the same as in Euroleague. Teodosic little worse, but his body looks like a body of average amateur player.

Looking last years draft, Doncic has very realistic chances to be better than everybody from last year in his rookie season. Are all they called bust? Of course not. But standard for Doncic should be higher for some unknown reason.

[juanc]

17/6/6 for a rookie year isn’t good?

There’s another thing people, especially Americans, are forgetting. Best players in Europe are playing much less than in Nba. Doncic is having 17/5/4.5 in only 25 minutes. His 36 minutes numbers are more like 24/7/7, and if that translates.

If that translates, thats insane. Good point. But translating those numbers in rookie year will be incredibly hard, especially scoring rate. He needs to finish his Euro season first to get a clue what to expect, hes been rather average in recent weeks. Real just beat Armani without him, with Campazzo putting assist clinic.

17/6/6 for a rookie is insane good, but as I said, the problem with most Doncic doubters is that they dont believe in his ceiling.

why don’t you speak in first person?

Doncic played around 70 games already. 65 good to excellent. His only realy bad game in Euroleague was against Barca, where he played only 15 minutes, because it was 30 points difference very soon. The second bad one was, where he played 6 minutes and was ejected. Now tell me which Nba player has played 70 great games?

Armani is a joke of the team. On Sunday Real played with Barca. Losing in some point by 30. Campazzo +/- -29.

Dragic, much better in Nba. Rubio, much better in Nba. Your Ingles much better in Nba. Hezonja better in Nba. Saric better in Nba. Bogdanovic in rookie year almost the same as in Euroleague. Teodosic little worse, but his body looks like a body of average amateur player.

Looking last years draft, Doncic has very realistic chances to be better than everybody from last year in his rookie season. Are all they called bust? Of course not. But standard for Doncic should be higher for some unknown reason.

UcanUwill was actually always high on Doncic, but he was just pointing out his weaknesses more in last couple of weaks. If I am not wrong he was very high on Doncic at the start.
But he also has a good point. It is hard to put those stats from the beginning. But I, as a Doncic fanboy, belive he can make it, but I also keep an open mind for other posters opinnions.

I also belive that Doncic will be back to where he was in october/november/december after he comes back.. Not the first few games, bet when the playoff kicks in.. I think they just gave him some rest/conditional training before the most important part of the season starts.

And let's not forget that he has the advantage of spending time(and learning) from Dragic and Kokoskov(who introduced him to Nba schemes and style). And he played some of his best basketball then..

[UcanUwill]

I am Doncic and Euroleague fanboy, but I always been pessimist, and I always expect the worst when it comes to Euroleague stars translating to NBA Doncic is a great player, but he also looks like the player who excels better at less athletic Euro game. Thats my biggest worry. He is like reverse Rikcy Rubio. In the NBA, 1 on 1 defense and explosiveness for perimeter player is far more important.
I still hope, wish, he turns into bigger James Harden, I think its possible, but as I said I cant beat my natural pessimism.

[Bob8]

If that translates, thats insane. Good point. But translating those numbers in rookie year will be incredibly hard, especially scoring rate. He needs to finish his Euro season first to get a clue what to expect, hes been rather average in recent weeks. Real just beat Armani without him, with Campazzo putting assist clinic.

17/6/6 for a rookie is insane good, but as I said, the problem with most Doncic doubters is that they dont believe in his ceiling.

why don’t you speak in first person?

Doncic played around 70 games already. 65 good to excellent. His only realy bad game in Euroleague was against Barca, where he played only 15 minutes, because it was 30 points difference very soon. The second bad one was, where he played 6 minutes and was ejected. Now tell me which Nba player has played 70 great games?

Armani is a joke of the team. On Sunday Real played with Barca. Losing in some point by 30. Campazzo +/- -29.

Dragic, much better in Nba. Rubio, much better in Nba. Your Ingles much better in Nba. Hezonja better in Nba. Saric better in Nba. Bogdanovic in rookie year almost the same as in Euroleague. Teodosic little worse, but his body looks like a body of average amateur player.

Looking last years draft, Doncic has very realistic chances to be better than everybody from last year in his rookie season. Are all they called bust? Of course not. But standard for Doncic should be higher for some unknown reason.

UcanUwill was actually always high on Doncic, but he was just pointing out his weaknesses more in last couple of weaks. If I am not wrong he was very high on Doncic at the start.
But he also has a good point. It is hard to put those stats from the beginning. But I, as a Doncic fanboy, belive he can make it, but I also keep an open mind for other posters opinnions.

I also belive that Doncic will be back to where he was in october/november/december after he comes back.. Not the first few games, bet when the playoff kicks in.. I think they just gave him some rest/conditional training before the most important part of the season starts.

And let's not forget that he has the advantage of spending time(and learning) from Dragic and Kokoskov(who introduced him to Nba schemes and style). And he played some of his best basketball then..

nobody who compares Doncic to Ingles is high on Doncic. Ingles career stats are 6.7/2.6/2.8 Physically unprepared and plagued with injuries Teodosic has 9.3/3/5 in his rookie year.

Real is playing 1 of the fastest tempo in Euroleague. Slovenia in Eurobasket played imho the fastest game from all. And Doncic looks very comfortable there. Modern Nba is more about pick&roll than isolations.

[batigol18]

Since there is some interesting questions, against which legitimate NBA players has Doncic played (although trying to cover it with "in Euroleague"), I checked a bit his last summer NT games (preparation and Eurobasket) and here is the list of players, who in current season (2017/18) average more than 10 pts through whole season (so I left the one with lower averages):

points/rebounds/assist

Kristaps Porzingis..........22,6/6,6/1,2
Evan Fournier...............17,8/3,2/2,9
Marc Gasol .................17,7/8,5/4,1
Dario Saric..................15,0/6,9/2,7
Lauri Markkanen...........14,9/7,6/1,2
Bojan Bogdanovic..........14,2/3,4/1,5
Ricky Rubio..................12,3/4,5/5,4
Bogdan Bogdanovic........11,7/2,9/3,4
Pau Gasol...................10,6/8,3/3,3

Luka was basically better against majority of them in head to head situations on court.

[UcanUwill]

nobody who compares Doncic to Ingles is high on Doncic. Ingles career stats are 6/2/2. Physically unprepared and plagued with injuries Teodosic has 9.3/3/5 in his rookie year.

I didn't compare him to Ingles, I think, tho I agree they play similar game. But when people say Ingles, they dont mean rookie 6/2/2 Ingles, they mean current Ingles who is a damn solid player. Doncic is most certainly gonna have higher scoring rate than Ingles, but lets say Doncic stagnates and struggles against NBA athletes, which is possible, he could end up as ultimate role player, he is not a lock to be superstar like some of you think. Thats what people are saying, they are not saying Doncic is 6/3/3 player in the NBA.
I have doubt about every single player in this draft, Doncic is no exception.