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2018 Draft Thread #6

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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1841 » by kodo » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:28 pm

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Red Larrivee wrote:NBA scouts are turning on Oklahoma's Trae Young, whose historic freshman season ended with an 83-78 overtime loss to Rhode Island in the NCAA tournament.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2764689-i-dont-see-it-nba-scouts-execs-doubting-trae-young-after-ncaa-tourney-exit.amp.html

"I would not take him in the lottery," one scout responded after the game.

"Not a fan," replied an Eastern Conference executive. "Love his passion and dedication, but he must learn to be more efficient."

"I don't see it with him," said an executive from the Western Conference. "He's erratic with the ball, and he's a teaser. Volume shooter. I have concerns on him."


"As he matures, he's going to have to balance out his impulsive play, because while that's flashy and all of us love to see it when he's hot, it's not going to take you very far as a team," added another scout. "Defensively, he has to be better, plain and simple."


"I believe he had only had one such game, versus Kansas, that was a winning effort," said the first executive.

"I believe only 15.0 percent of his field-goal attempts are in the mid-range," said the executive, who pointed out the need to be able to stop and pop inside the arc. "Can he get his shot off versus quality defense?"



No NBA team in their right mind would let this kid play the way he did at Oklahoma. Whoever takes Trea Young is taking the kid based on his shooting and passing and separating the sideshow that was his freshman season with the half courters and all that non sense. The raw tools are their to be an above average offensive point guard and maybe nothing more. Is he steph curry hell no, but he could be dangerous in the right offensive setting.


The Steph Curry narrative was always terrible. You are correct no NBA team will play him this way, and that was obvious from the very start of the season.

When drafting Trae you draft him purely for his passing ability and 100% ignore his shooting exhibition, because that won't translate except in shot-clock-winding-down-gotta-hero-ball moments. His comps should never have been Curry, it should have been Steve Nash / John Stockton / Mark Price.

No freshman in the last 15 years has thrown 8.7 apg or anywhere close to it.
Lonzo Ball is the closest, and he was still miles way with 7.6.
Raymond Felton back in 2003 was able to do 6.7, as did Augustin.

What's going to hurt him vs guys like Nash & Price is that the NBA doesn't use guys like that anymore. The ball moves from player to player far more often, and the real creator is the scoring threat not the PG. It's a bit of a dinosaur of a playstyle.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1842 » by dice » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:30 pm

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dice wrote:on scales of 1-10 how would you guys rate the top few prospects?


1. Ayton 9
2. Bagley 9
3. Doncic 9
4. JJJ 8.5
5. Bamba 8
6. Porter 8 (if back tests healthy)
7. Mikal Bridges 8
8. Carter 8
9. Young 7
10. Crapshoot 5-6.9

so is it fair to suggest that it's not a big deal in your mind if we were to win the lotto as opposed to ending up in the 8 slot?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1843 » by sh0ck » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:58 pm

Just a dream scenario here (conspiracy time)-

Bulls get the #8 or #9 pick, and then get somewhere between 18-20 for the Pelicans pick.

Michael Porter Jr is projected to fall to #6-7. He refuses to release medical records for the teams with unfavorable situations. Bulls give him the wink, wink deal that if they draft him at 8, they will start him and also draft his brother Jontay with the Pelicans pick if he's still on the board.

MPJ doesn't disclose his medical records to the Kings/Mavs/Knicks and he falls to the Bulls. Bulls end the draft with Michael Porter Jr and Jontay Porter.

All will rejoice.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1844 » by jump » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:07 pm

sh0ck wrote:Just a dream scenario here (conspiracy time)-

Bulls get the #8 or #9 pick, and then get somewhere between 18-20 for the Pelicans pick.

Michael Porter Jr is projected to fall to #6-7. He refuses to release medical records for the teams with unfavorable situations. Bulls give him the wink, wink deal that if they draft him at 8, they will start him and also draft his brother Jontay with the Pelicans pick if he's still on the board.

MPJ doesn't disclose his medical records to the Kings/Mavs/Knicks and he falls to the Bulls. Bulls end the draft with Michael Porter Jr and Jontay Porter.

All will rejoice.


A nice fantasy indeed.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1845 » by Ralphb07 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:15 pm

Wendell Carter, Miles Bridges, Mikal Bridges and Kevin Knox imo will be the guys the Bulls will be chosing from with the 8th-9th pick.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1846 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:16 pm

This kid from Georgia St has 16 out of their 16 points, is telling Cincinnati they can't guard him. Georgia State is up
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1847 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:25 pm

sh0ck wrote:Just a dream scenario here (conspiracy time)-

Bulls get the #8 or #9 pick, and then get somewhere between 18-20 for the Pelicans pick.

Michael Porter Jr is projected to fall to #6-7. He refuses to release medical records for the teams with unfavorable situations. Bulls give him the wink, wink deal that if they draft him at 8, they will start him and also draft his brother Jontay with the Pelicans pick if he's still on the board.

MPJ doesn't disclose his medical records to the Kings/Mavs/Knicks and he falls to the Bulls. Bulls end the draft with Michael Porter Jr and Jontay Porter.

All will rejoice.

Is it bad that I'd be more excited about Jontay with the Pels pick than MPJ at #8?
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Re: RE: Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1848 » by Benedict Miller » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:47 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:The potential to bust out is really low but I don't see Superstar


Interesting. What did you think of Embiid while he was in college?

Embiid is a basketball savant. Ayton is not.

I don't care if they both started playing later in life.


Ayton has shown good intelligence as a basketball player throughout the season. He has shown that he is capable of becoming a star.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1849 » by sh0ck » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:49 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
sh0ck wrote:Just a dream scenario here (conspiracy time)-

Bulls get the #8 or #9 pick, and then get somewhere between 18-20 for the Pelicans pick.

Michael Porter Jr is projected to fall to #6-7. He refuses to release medical records for the teams with unfavorable situations. Bulls give him the wink, wink deal that if they draft him at 8, they will start him and also draft his brother Jontay with the Pelicans pick if he's still on the board.

MPJ doesn't disclose his medical records to the Kings/Mavs/Knicks and he falls to the Bulls. Bulls end the draft with Michael Porter Jr and Jontay Porter.

All will rejoice.

Is it bad that I'd be more excited about Jontay with the Pels pick than MPJ at #8?


I don't think so. Jontay might not even be available at the Pelicans pick. And he's shown some real signs of being a good modern big man.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1850 » by Dresden » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:54 pm

Ayton had a so-so game yesterday and his team got upset. I'm sure that's not how he wanted to end his college career. He's had a bunch of really impressive games lately though- 25+ points and 15+ rebounds. I still don't see an all-time great center in him, like Robinson or Hakeem or Ewing or Walton. But he probably does deserve to go #1 in the draft based on his size and skills and athleticism. Although I still would also consider Bagley and Doncic and Porter at that spot personally. But I can see why teams would take him #1- he's pretty low risk and very high upside. He's probably the safest guy to take at #1 if you're worried about your job.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1851 » by Dan Z » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:03 pm

Let's say these players are gone before we pick:

Ayton
Doncic
JJJ
Bagley
Porter
Bamba
Mikal
Carter

At #9 do you take Trae? Or someone else?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1852 » by Dresden » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:09 pm

Dan Z wrote:Let's say these players are gone before we pick:

Ayton
Doncic
JJJ
Bagley
Porter
Bamba
Mikal
Carter

At #9 do you take Trae? Or someone else?


I think I'd have to go with the other Bridges, or possibly Knox or Shai, before Young.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1853 » by Dan Z » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:11 pm

Dresden wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
At #9 do you take Trae? Or someone else?


I think I'd have to go with the other Bridges, or possibly Knox or Shai, before Young.


Hmmm...that's tough. I can see Knox or Bridges over Young, but Shai? Then again maybe I'm not giving Shai enough credit...?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1854 » by Benedict Miller » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:20 pm

Dan Z wrote:Let's say these players are gone before we pick:

Ayton
Doncic
JJJ
Bagley
Porter
Bamba
Mikal
Carter

At #9 do you take Trae? Or someone else?



Yes, or perhaps Collin Sexton
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1855 » by bigworld2017 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:22 pm

dice wrote:
bigworld2017 wrote:
dice wrote:on scales of 1-10 how would you guys rate the top few prospects?


1. Ayton 9
2. Bagley 9
3. Doncic 9
4. JJJ 8.5
5. Bamba 8
6. Porter 8 (if back tests healthy)
7. Mikal Bridges 8
8. Carter 8
9. Young 7
10. Crapshoot 5-6.9

so is it fair to suggest that it's not a big deal in your mind if we were to win the lotto as opposed to ending up in the 8 slot?


I think Ayton, Bagley, Doncic and JJJ could all develop into at least border-line all-stars. I see Bamba, MJP, Mikal and Carter having a ceiling of average to above average starters on a playoff competitive team. I'm not sold on Young. I prefer two way players and I put a premium on length. So there is a difference. Beyond #8 and its just a crap shoot. A few players picked lower will develop and prove to have been overlooked. At least one of the Top 8 will probably flame out or suffer some type of injury that prevents them from realizing their potential. It's an inexact science. You evaluate the measurables, try to predict the inner drive, and project the development of the skill set and the player's capacity for physical improvements. Lots of variables.
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Re: RE: Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1856 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:28 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:I was so not impressed with Ayton in the biggest game of his college career.. I think whoever takes him with the number one pick is going to be disappointed.


I think he's going to be a great player and have a great career barring injury.
The potential to bust out is really low but I don't see Superstar



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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1857 » by bigworld2017 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:29 pm

Dan Z wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
At #9 do you take Trae? Or someone else?


I think I'd have to go with the other Bridges, or possibly Knox or Shai, before Young.


Hmmm...that's tough. I can see Knox or Bridges over Young, but Shai? Then again maybe I'm not giving Shai enough credit...?


I watched the Kentucky game. Shai has some talent, and length. He needs another year in College. He can't be more than 180 pounds soaking wet. And his frame is rail thin. I'm note sure he'd be able to get to NBA level physicality even with the best strength coaches in the world. With some players you can see where a good S&C coach could put 10-20 pounds on a player that works at it. I'm not sure Shai has the frame to add the muscle. The NBA can be brutally physical league, even with wings. 82 games, plus pre-season, plus playoffs. Shai...do yourself a favor and go back for another year under Calipari. Eat. Hit the weight room all summer. Enter the draft when you can tease the scales at 200 pounds at least.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1858 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:30 pm

I say take Young if he is there at 9. Best player available. Sorry Dunn, but you will have to earn the job. Lauri/Young could be nice duo.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1859 » by GDRO10 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:35 pm

Dan Z wrote:Let's say these players are gone before we pick:

Ayton
Doncic
JJJ
Bagley
Porter
Bamba
Mikal
Carter

At #9 do you take Trae? Or someone else?


Kevin Knox. He's got the tools to be special.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#1860 » by Axolotl » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:35 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:I say take Young if he is there at 9. Best player available. Sorry Dunn, but you will have to earn the job. Lauri/Young could be nice duo.


Seconded. A star ceiling player at #9, seems natural to me.
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