jets trade up to #3

Pharmcat · Post #1 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:20 pm

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We've acquired the No. 3 overall pick from the @Colts for our No. 6 overall pick, 37th overall pick, 49th overall pick and our 2019 2nd round pick.

horrible trade imo, they can get a decent QB at 6

Mich3006 · Post #2 » by **Mich3006** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:22 pm

The Jets have paid too much and 1) you‘re right they could draft a good QB on the 6th spot and 2) why did they even sign McCown and Bridgewater

No-Man · Post #3 » by **No-Man** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:58 pm

This means that someone is gonna get Bridgewater for dirt cheap

Papi_swav · Post #4 » by **Papi_swav** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:48 am

That's a huge overpay smh idk what the Jets are doing

Post #5 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:42 am

Did they do this for a QB? If so, it's a terrible trade, if not, I like it.
Regardless, I really like it for Indy.

Post #6 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:40 am

HMFFL wrote:Did they do this for a QB? If so, it's a terrible trade, if not, I like it.
Regardless, I really like it for Indy.

Teams don't trade that much draft capital without taking a QB. They're taking a QB.

righterwriter · Post #7 » by **righterwriter** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:55 pm

Anyone else think the Browns should've gotten in on that deal? Just take slightly less than IND did, ie don't ask for that second 2nd rounder. They move down one spot and get a high 2nd rd pick and next year's NYJ 2nd rd pick (which will be a good one).

Post #8 » by **Bulltalk** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:08 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Did they do this for a QB? If so, it's a terrible trade, if not, I like it.
Regardless, I really like it for Indy.

Teams don't trade that much draft capital without taking a QB. They're taking a QB.

No doubt. It's a QB. It seems like it's all boiling down to the Giants at the top of the board. You'd think the Browns would want Barkley and the QB of their choice. If, say, another team trades up to get the Giants pick at #2, then the Browns can more safely wait for Barkley at the #4 spot.

It's kind of interesting. What teams near the top value what QB the most? If Josh Rosen had the mental makeup of, say, Russell Wilson, you'd think he'd be consensus #1 QB.

Anyway...

Post #9 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:26 pm

I have no problem with a team trading up to get the guy they want. The difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf was one spot. Live or die with QB of your choice because they won’t end up being interchangeable.

leaguegod692 · Post #10 » by **leaguegod692** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:31 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I have no problem with a team trading up to get the guy they want. The difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf was one spot. Live or die with QB of your choice because they won’t end up being interchangeable.

the problem for me, is the jets are probably all in one guy, no team would have 3 QB's ranked equally as high, one guy will be at the top of their list.

does trading all these assets for number 3 guarantee them that guy ? no, they may be in a better position but they now risking losing future assets and watch their guy go #1 or #2

Barcs · Post #11 » by **Barcs** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:41 pm

This isn't an overpay any more than the Eagles trading up for Wentz. When there are multiple other teams trying to trade, you are always going to overpay a little to get your franchise guy. The best part about this is that they didn't give up next year's first. Great move for the Jets, can't believe people are so negative on it. Nobody's complaining about the Wentz trade right now.

You can't just sit back and wait for a QB to fall to the 6. There's a good chance that does not happen. If the Jets don't trade with Indy, it's very likely the Bills or somebody else will.

They are going for Rosen. Darnold will go #1 to the Browns and Giants will take Barkley at #2. If the Jets waited on this, the price would have only gone up.

Post #12 » by **Bulltalk** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:48 pm

The interesting thing would be if Cleveland picks Barkley #1, and then willing to take who's left between Rosen, Allen, and Darnold. Of course, they'd have to be pretty torn between the three QB's to be willing to let fate decide for them. I tend to doubt that, but who knows? I just think the Browns want to make a splash for their hapless franchise, and the biggest splash would be one of the best QB's and Barkley, which may not happen if the Giants choose Barkley over Eli's successor.

There's definitely some real intrigue amongst the top 4 picks.

Mich3006 · Post #13 » by **Mich3006** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:49 am

Rumor has it that the Giants will go for Barkley with the #2, there´s no doubt about it. Shurmur and staff think Manning has 2-3 good years left with a solid oline and a decent running game.

Barkley is too good to pass, especially if you look at the impact of other prospects like Elliott or Fournette.

It would be interesting to see what they´d do if the Browns choose Barkley with the #1 (something I really hope won´t happen), trading down for a bunch of first and second round picks would be likely IMO. Giants won´t draft a QB for the sake of it.

Post #14 » by **FNQ** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:34 pm

Fischella wrote:This means that someone is gonna get Bridgewater for dirt cheap

If the Jets get anything for him, its a win. But they wont.. he and McCown will fight over starting this year, at least the 1st half of this year, while the QBotF is groomed. You dont take someone at #3 and then not play them for a year, so whoever they draft will get starts eventually.

Post #15 » by **FNQ** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:36 pm

leaguegod692 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I have no problem with a team trading up to get the guy they want. The difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf was one spot. Live or die with QB of your choice because they won’t end up being interchangeable.

the problem for me, is the jets are probably all in one guy, no team would have 3 QB's ranked equally as high, one guy will be at the top of their list.

does trading all these assets for number 3 guarantee them that guy ? no, they may be in a better position but they now risking losing future assets and watch their guy go #1 or #2

Exactly. Why make this move now? Deal is still good on draft day, isnt it?

Only way I like this is if they are making another deal to jump to #1, which isnt out of the question.

OrangeBlueSkies · Post #16 » by **OrangeBlueSkies** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:18 pm

FNQ wrote:
leaguegod692 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I have no problem with a team trading up to get the guy they want. The difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf was one spot. Live or die with QB of your choice because they won’t end up being interchangeable.

the problem for me, is the jets are probably all in one guy, no team would have 3 QB's ranked equally as high, one guy will be at the top of their list.

does trading all these assets for number 3 guarantee them that guy ? no, they may be in a better position but they now risking losing future assets and watch their guy go #1 or #2

Exactly. Why make this move now? Deal is still good on draft day, isnt it?

Only way I like this is if they are making another deal to jump to #1, which isnt out of the question.

If anyone is jumping to 1 its more likely the Bills out of pure desperation.
Although Jets still have next years 1st as a bargaining chip.

Jets are Not in a bad position overall, so not sure if the benefit of that jump to 1 warrants another deal.
CLE may not pass on Barkley at 1, knowing they can get a QB at 4.
If CLE does pick Darnold 1, then Giants wont pass on Barkley.

Either way, ideally there will be only 1 QB off the board by the 3rd pick.

Jets will have a choice of either Rosen or Allen. I like them both.

Dr Positivity · Post #17 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:57 pm

I don't get the timing on this. Maybe they're enamoured with two QBs and Barkley, or three QBs. If they're in love with one of Darnold or Rosen it's highly risky they go top 2

Post #18 » by **FNQ** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:04 pm

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
If anyone is jumping to 1 its more likely the Bills out of pure desperation.
Although Jets still have next years 1st as a bargaining chip.

Jets are Not in a bad position overall, so not sure if the benefit of that jump to 1 warrants another deal.
CLE may not pass on Barkley at 1, knowing they can get a QB at 4.
If CLE does pick Darnold 1, then Giants wont pass on Barkley.

Either way, ideally there will be only 1 QB off the board by the 3rd pick.

Jets will have a choice of either Rosen or Allen. I like them both.

Missing the point here. The Jets gave up 3 2nds on a hunch that the QB they want is going to be there, or they have no preference between QBs and are just taking whoevers left. Either way its a bad look.

Rosen has been most likely to go to NYG (if there at 2) and is seemingly the preferred pick of experts, more so than anyone else. So that leaves Darnold, Allen, and Mayfield. And any one of those could go to the Browns. So again, the Jets moved up and enhanced their chances of getting a quarterback, but dont seem to have any idea which one it is. And that's not a good way to proceed in the NFL, where you move up to just take BPA at a position.

Now, if they moved up to take Chubb, knowing the 1st 2 picks would be QBs, at least they had a target and followed through.

Post #19 » by **FNQ** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:04 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I don't get the timing on this. Maybe they're enamoured with two QBs and Barkley, or three QBs. If they're in love with one of Darnold or Rosen it's highly risky they go top 2

It would be really strange for a team, with all the data they have and all the scouts they have, to shrug and say "eh, we'll take any one of the 3". If I'm the owner, I'd be furious with that mentality.

bmurph128 · Post #20 » by **bmurph128** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:34 pm

FNQ wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
If anyone is jumping to 1 its more likely the Bills out of pure desperation.
Although Jets still have next years 1st as a bargaining chip.

Jets are Not in a bad position overall, so not sure if the benefit of that jump to 1 warrants another deal.
CLE may not pass on Barkley at 1, knowing they can get a QB at 4.
If CLE does pick Darnold 1, then Giants wont pass on Barkley.

Either way, ideally there will be only 1 QB off the board by the 3rd pick.

Jets will have a choice of either Rosen or Allen. I like them both.

Missing the point here. The Jets gave up 3 2nds on a hunch that the QB they want is going to be there, or they have no preference between QBs and are just taking whoevers left. Either way its a bad look.

Rosen has been most likely to go to NYG (if there at 2) and is seemingly the preferred pick of experts, more so than anyone else. So that leaves Darnold, Allen, and Mayfield. And any one of those could go to the Browns. So again, the Jets moved up and enhanced their chances of getting a quarterback, but dont seem to have any idea which one it is. And that's not a good way to proceed in the NFL, where you move up to just take BPA at a position.

Now, if they moved up to take Chubb, knowing the 1st 2 picks would be QBs, at least they had a target and followed through.

I too thought it was a weird move. With the trade up, you know they're going QB.

I thought the Eagles move was weird a few years ago - I guess somehow they knew the Rams would take Goff over Wentz - or else they were "fine with either", which is odd to me.

The only thing that would make sense to me in this case is if they prefer a QB who is not preferred by the Browns (or Giants) - if they could somehow know that. My thought is Baker Mayfield - they're confident that he won't go 1st or 2nd, but beyond that they don't want to risk it, and the Colts told them they have other offers for their pick and didn't want to wait until draft day.