If he doesnt shut down the Royals, he SUCKS
Go Yankees


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BklynKING wrote:Why exactly weren't the Yankees interested in Dice K????.....I'm assuming they weren't willing enough to pay that much money.
HCYanks wrote:BklynKING wrote:Why exactly weren't the Yankees interested in Dice K????.....I'm assuming they weren't willing enough to pay that much money.
Paying Dice K wasn't so much the issue as:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_system
Going into Free Agency, most people expected the winning posting bid for Matsuzaka to be no higher than 20-30 million. I can't remember the exact amount, but the Yankees' highest bid was in that range. The Red Sox blew everyone out of the water with a 50+ million winning bid. A few reasons why they could justify it:
1)The posting bid money doesn't add to payroll, meaning it's not a factor in the luxury tax.
2)The Red Sox as using Dice-K as a method to pull in new revenue from the Asian market (the Yankees wouldn't have been able to do this, or at least not to the same extent).
3)Matsuzaka (and Scott Boras) had very little leverage because of the setup of the posting system, so he ended up with a relatively modest contract.
4)He was probably the best SP option on the free agent market this year, which was obviously nuts.
When it comes down to it, the Red Sox were more willing to throw money around this offseason than the Yankees.
HCYanks wrote:BklynKING wrote:Why exactly weren't the Yankees interested in Dice K????.....I'm assuming they weren't willing enough to pay that much money.
Paying Dice K wasn't so much the issue as:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_system
Going into Free Agency, most people expected the winning posting bid for Matsuzaka to be no higher than 20-30 million. I can't remember the exact amount, but the Yankees' highest bid was in that range. The Red Sox blew everyone out of the water with a 50+ million winning bid. A few reasons why they could justify it:
1)The posting bid money doesn't add to payroll, meaning it's not a factor in the luxury tax.
2)The Red Sox as using Dice-K as a method to pull in new revenue from the Asian market (the Yankees wouldn't have been able to do this, or at least not to the same extent).
3)Matsuzaka (and Scott Boras) had very little leverage because of the setup of the posting system, so he ended up with a relatively modest contract.
4)He was probably the best SP option on the free agent market this year, which was obviously nuts.
When it comes down to it, the Red Sox were more willing to throw money around this offseason than the Yankees.
Rondo_Fan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
This is a good post. The reason that the Yankees wouldn't benefit from the Japanese market is that you're already in it. So the benefit to us was getting into the market in the first place.
I wouldn't go just by Daisuke's stat line in evaluating yesterday's game. He had an excellent mound presence and was clearly in control of the game. He looked confident, maybe a little cocky, but in a good way. He was just very sure of himself, but totally professional. The best comparison of him to pitchers that we know in my opinion is David Cone. He has lots of pitches, they all move, and he can spot the fastball, which gets up to 93, maybe a little more. Yes, the Boston papers are going overboard on him this morning, but he looked for real to me. Of course, you guys wore out Pedro so who knows.
Jitpal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Let's also face the facts that the Royals aren't exactly known for their offensive prowess. In fact, they aren't known for much of anything except being one of the worst in the league. It is difficult to be impressed with that stat line because if he gives up 6 hits chances are there will be more than 1 run up on the board. Plus he would not go nearly as deep against a good lineup based on yesterday's performance(based off of gameday and boxscore). A real test for him will be against the Yankees and other good offensive lineups to see how he does. -Jitpal
Rondo_Fan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I agree, but I was just making the point that he showed a lot of poise on the mound. Don't forget, this guy was MVP of the World Baseball Championships and he has pitched in a lot of important games in Japan. My point was that apart from his stat line, he looks like an extremely confident, seasoned professional. I'm guessing that a lot of people didn't have a chance to see the game. David Ortiz (I think it was him) said after the game that he was in total control on the mound. That was my take too.
He'll have some bad games, and he'll lose a few, but he looks like he has what is takes to be a quality starter in the league. The Yankees will try to go deep in the count against him, which might work. But the guy does throw strikes. And he isn't predictable as to what the first pitch he throws will be. So that helps him get strike one. We'll see. Maybe I'll be singing a different tune in a month or two.
Jitpal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I didn't see the game. I said that I was basing a lot of what I said off of the box score and a some gameday I was following. I wouldn't trust WBC stuff because it's almost a proven fact that hitters will not hit well off of pitchers they have never seen or rarely seen(there are exceptions). Couple that with the tendancy that a lot of pitchers from that side of the world have a deceptive delivery which helps a lot of early success. I'm not saying the kid is a failure it is one game. One game does not a failure make. I'm just saying, from my perspective as a Yankee fan, that I am not yet a believer. However, what I have seen is mostly positive but the big detractors being that it is still only one game and that it was the Royals. -Jitpal
Not to mention, 2 of the 6 hits were broken bat bloopers (including Alex Gordon's 1st MLB hit).Rondo_Fan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Also, I don't see the six hits as a big deal. I mean, isn't getting out of jams part of what a pitcher's supposed to do? He had two double-plays yesterday that bailed him out of trouble, and if they went the other way, then he would have gotten touched for a couple of more runs. That's bound to happen to him over the course of the season. But for now at least, you have to give him credit for doing what he's supposed to do as a pitcher.
SugeKnight718 wrote:Can anybody name their RF right now, off the top of the head, NO.