Is it a self pass / travel if the ball hits ONLY mesh?

ballbrah · Post #1 » by **ballbrah** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:44 pm

This happened in a pick up game and I cannot find any rules on the subject. If you airball a shot, it is considered a self pass, which is a travel. You can bang it off the backboard, and it is not a self pass. but what if the ball ONLY hits the mesh? is it live for the shooter to pick up without it being considered a self pass? Or is it considered a travel?

What do you think RealGM?

mike d · Post #2 » by **mike d** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:46 pm

yes it's a travel. Ball has to hit rim

ballbrah · Post #3 » by **ballbrah** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:47 pm

mike d wrote:yes it's a travel. Ball has to hit rim

But you can whip it off the backboard without hitting rim and it is not considered a travel, which is why I want to know about just mesh.

The Beam King · Post #4 » by **The Beam King** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:51 pm

mike d wrote:yes it's a travel. Ball has to hit rim

high school and NBA this true. college its not.college allows any attempted shot to be rebounded by the shooter

DoItALL9 · Post #5 » by **DoItALL9** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:53 am

The intent is a factor I believe.

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DoubleLintendre · Post #6 » by **DoubleLintendre** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:07 am

It's 100% a travel. It's gotta touch rim or at minimum backboard no matter what rules you're using.

ballbrah · Post #7 » by **ballbrah** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:21 am

DoubleLintendre wrote:It's 100% a travel. It's gotta touch rim or at minimum backboard no matter what rules you're using.

Can you find the rule on subject on the internet? I can't find anything specifically talking about mesh.

Thanks bro

Pennebaker · Post #8 » by **Pennebaker** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:27 am

ballbrah wrote:This happened in a pick up game and I cannot find any rules on the subject. If you airball a shot, it is considered a self pass, which is a travel. You can bang it off the backboard, and it is not a self pass. but what if the ball ONLY hits the mesh? is it live for the shooter to pick up without it being considered a self pass? Or is it considered a travel?

What do you think RealGM?

That's still an airball. The ball has to hit the rim or the backboard. That's in the rulebook. Anything else will be a travel.

DoubleLintendre · Post #9 » by **DoubleLintendre** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:27 am

ballbrah wrote:
DoubleLintendre wrote:It's 100% a travel. It's gotta touch rim or at minimum backboard no matter what rules you're using.

Can you find the rule on subject on the internet? I can't find anything specifically talking about mesh.

Thanks bro

I don't know where you'd find an official ruling. Anywhere I've ever played pick up or watched ball, hitting bottom net only is an airball.

On some baskets, there isn't even a net. If someone were to flick the ball under the basket in that area, it would hit nothing--therefore constituting as an airball.

Post #10 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:31 am

I would advice dedicating the time to finding a new pickup game versus internet Judge Wapner'ing the issue.

wudupp · Post #11 » by **wudupp** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:33 am

its a travel if it hits mesh, if it goes off the backboard the clock doesnt reset but its a shot attempt

LakersLegacy · Post #12 » by **LakersLegacy** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:56 am

What type of net? If the net is chain then it’s a rebound!

Drop Shot · Post #13 » by **Drop Shot** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:58 am

Apparently in FIBA rules a shooter can rebound his own shot no matter what, the intent of a shot just has to be there

anthony00 · Post #14 » by **anthony00** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:06 am

yes but there are usually little to know rules in pickup

Hugi Mancura · Post #15 » by **Hugi Mancura** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:07 am

Different rules around the world:
NBA if you only hit mesh and take the ball it is travelling. If you hit backboard it ain't. So in NBA mesh and backboard are treated differently.
In international rules (FIBA) mesh and backboard are equal. Only rim matters, but if referee thinks you really tried to score, but just sucked so badly you missed the rim, then you can take rebound and it is not called travelling. If referee thinks you missed or passed to yourself on purpose then travelling is called, even with backboard.
So if you ever travel abroad don't be surprised if it's called differently.

Post #16 » by **og15** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:08 am

The mesh technically doesn't count as hitting anything, it's just there so that when the ball goes in, it comes downward

PapaBear53 · Post #17 » by **PapaBear53** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:11 am

At the high school level it is not a travel unless in the referee's judgment it was done intentionally. I have refereed HS ball for over 10 years. Not sure at the college or pro level since I have never done those.

Post #18 » by **Jakay** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:11 am

og15 wrote:The mesh technically doesn't count as hitting anything, it's just there so that when the ball goes in, it comes downward

And to mimic the shape of a peach basket.

Anyhow OP, you travelled, big time. Mesh=nothing.

whitehops · Post #19 » by **whitehops** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:15 am

i can tell this turned into a 10+ minute argument in which case you should've just done ball don't lie.

i'm assuming you're from north america so it would be an airball and a travel, if you're not then fiba rules say you can rebound it.

koningcosmo · Post #20 » by **koningcosmo** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:59 am

i know FIBA changed it into, every shot attempt can be rebounded. so no need to hit the rim or backboard. Not sure about the American rules.