Luka Doncic Part III

[daoneandonly]

Ginobili wasn't bad. Dragic not bad. Both have made all nba teams. Tony Parker, Drazen Petrovic. Peja Stojakovic.

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

Rubio is definetely not average. He just doesn't shoot well. If he did, he jumps pretty comfortably into top 30-35 players of the league. He does everything else at an elite clip.
Dragic is a pretty solid starter in the league.
Just don't know why european prospects picked in the top-10/15 are either star or bust, when there's always double the number of usa players that have been massively overhyped through highschool and college and never become even average starters.

As I've always said, top-5 is a bust if he never becomes at least a solid starter. Top-10 if he never starts at least some seasons. Top-15 does not even guarantee he will have a full career at the NBA.

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

[UcanUwill]

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

This is such absurd and dissociating argument. We are throwing arguments wjy Doncic is not realted to any other players, but you keep telling how he can't be good, because of this ridiculous argument that has nothing to do with his actual game

[Bob8]

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

Rubio is definetely not average. He just doesn't shoot well. If he did, he jumps pretty comfortably into top 30-35 players of the league. He does everything else at an elite clip.
Dragic is a pretty solid starter in the league.
Just don't know why european prospects picked in the top-10/15 are either star or bust, when there's always double the number of usa players that have been massively overhyped through highschool and college and never become even average starters.

As I've always said, top-5 is a bust if he never becomes at least a solid starter. Top-10 if he never starts at least some seasons. Top-15 does not even guarantee he will have a full career at the NBA.

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

You’re talking like we have multiple superstars in every draft. The biggest odds are that nobody from this draft will be superstar and the best player from this draft is Doncic.

[daoneandonly]

Rubio is definetely not average. He just doesn't shoot well. If he did, he jumps pretty comfortably into top 30-35 players of the league. He does everything else at an elite clip.
Dragic is a pretty solid starter in the league.
Just don't know why european prospects picked in the top-10/15 are either star or bust, when there's always double the number of usa players that have been massively overhyped through highschool and college and never become even average starters.

As I've always said, top-5 is a bust if he never becomes at least a solid starter. Top-10 if he never starts at least some seasons. Top-15 does not even guarantee he will have a full career at the NBA.

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

You’re talking like we have multiple superstars in every draft. The biggest odds are that nobody from this draft will be superstar and the best player from this draft is Doncic.

We don't, but you don't hear this kind of hype from just a top notch college guy. Heck, the hype Doncic is getting is on the level of what Anthony Davis received after March madness, and I can say without a doubt in my mind, Doncic will never be on the level of AD. In the fact, this should be the last time their names are ever mentioned in the same sentence.

[Nikson]

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

Rubio is definetely not average. He just doesn't shoot well. If he did, he jumps pretty comfortably into top 30-35 players of the league. He does everything else at an elite clip.
Dragic is a pretty solid starter in the league.
Just don't know why european prospects picked in the top-10/15 are either star or bust, when there's always double the number of usa players that have been massively overhyped through highschool and college and never become even average starters.

As I've always said, top-5 is a bust if he never becomes at least a solid starter. Top-10 if he never starts at least some seasons. Top-15 does not even guarantee he will have a full career at the NBA.

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

There was no MJ until MJ. Then all of a sudden there comes MJ.
There was no EMJ until EMJ. Then all of a sudden there comes EMJ and LB.
There was no LB until LB. Then all of a sudden there comes LB and EMJ.
There was no LBJ until LBJ. Then all of a sudden there comes LBJ.

An surprisingly they were all from different towns.
Dončić's biggest flaw is his haircut. But it is not bad either.

[daoneandonly]

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

This is such absurd and dissociating argument. We are throwing arguments wjy Doncic is not realted to any other players, but you keep telling how he can't be good, because of this ridiculous argument that has nothing to do with his actual game

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

[Bob8]

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

You’re talking like we have multiple superstars in every draft. The biggest odds are that nobody from this draft will be superstar and the best player from this draft is Doncic.

We don't, but you don't hear this kind of hype from just a top notch college guy. Heck, the hype Doncic is getting is on the level of what Anthony Davis received after March madness, and I can say without a doubt in my mind, Doncic will never be on the level of AD. In the fact, this should be the last time their names are ever mentioned in the same sentence.

If I’m not mistaken Doncic is projected to go top3, Ayton probably #1. Tell me what kind of hype is getting Ayton then?;) Is he Much better than AD?

[Nikson]

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

You’re talking like we have multiple superstars in every draft. The biggest odds are that nobody from this draft will be superstar and the best player from this draft is Doncic.

We don't, but you don't hear this kind of hype from just a top notch college guy. Heck, the hype Doncic is getting is on the level of what Anthony Davis received after March madness, and I can say without a doubt in my mind, Doncic will never be on the level of AD. In the fact, this should be the last time their names are ever mentioned in the same sentence.

You should be less nervous. You will hear a lot of Dončić in next 15 years. And you can't do anything at all. It is much better for you to wait it might not do so much bad to you as you think today.

[Nikson]

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

This is such absurd and dissociating argument. We are throwing arguments wjy Doncic is not realted to any other players, but you keep telling how he can't be good, because of this ridiculous argument that has nothing to do with his actual game

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

There was never a NCAA guard who was a superstar in Euroleague. Jennings was not bad. But not a star.

[daoneandonly]

Rubio is definetely not average. He just doesn't shoot well. If he did, he jumps pretty comfortably into top 30-35 players of the league. He does everything else at an elite clip.
Dragic is a pretty solid starter in the league.
Just don't know why european prospects picked in the top-10/15 are either star or bust, when there's always double the number of usa players that have been massively overhyped through highschool and college and never become even average starters.

As I've always said, top-5 is a bust if he never becomes at least a solid starter. Top-10 if he never starts at least some seasons. Top-15 does not even guarantee he will have a full career at the NBA.

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

There was no MJ until MJ. Then all of a sudden there comes MJ.
There was no EMJ until EMJ. Then all of a sudden there comes EMJ and LB.
There was no LB until LB. Then all of a sudden there comes LB and EMJ.
There was no LBJ until LBJ. Then all of a sudden there comes LBJ.

An surprisingly they were all from different towns.
Dončić's biggest flaw is his haircut. But it is not bad either.

What are you even saying here? LB LBJ, and who the heck is EMJ? Yeah there was no MJ before MJ, but there was Jerry West, George Gervin, Earl Monroe. There wa sno LBJ, but there were Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Elgin Baylor, etc. let's talk other guys, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, etc.

Which Euro guards belong in the same sentence as any of those guys? Zero

[Nikson]

There's a reason his teams (up until now, and the jury is still out) have never made the playoffs, it's because of him. He's not a top 15 PG in the league, but he's paid like one and was selected in the draft as one. I did not say he is a scrub, I recognize some of his talents, but he's not a superstar, same with Dragic. That's what we keep hearing about Doncic, he's going to be a superstar, no euro guard has ever come over and become one, so why should we believe Doncic all of a sudden will?

There was no MJ until MJ. Then all of a sudden there comes MJ.
There was no EMJ until EMJ. Then all of a sudden there comes EMJ and LB.
There was no LB until LB. Then all of a sudden there comes LB and EMJ.
There was no LBJ until LBJ. Then all of a sudden there comes LBJ.

An surprisingly they were all from different towns.
Dončić's biggest flaw is his haircut. But it is not bad either.

What are you even saying here? LB LBJ, and who the heck is EMJ? Yeah there was no MJ before MJ, but there was Jerry West, George Gervin, Earl Monroe. There wa sno LBJ, but there were Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Elgin Baylor, etc. let's talk other guys, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, etc.

Which Euro guards belong in the same sentence as any of those guys? Zero

Jerry West was not EMJ.
Jerry West was not LB.

[daoneandonly]

There was no MJ until MJ. Then all of a sudden there comes MJ.
There was no EMJ until EMJ. Then all of a sudden there comes EMJ and LB.
There was no LB until LB. Then all of a sudden there comes LB and EMJ.
There was no LBJ until LBJ. Then all of a sudden there comes LBJ.

An surprisingly they were all from different towns.
Dončić's biggest flaw is his haircut. But it is not bad either.

What are you even saying here? LB LBJ, and who the heck is EMJ? Yeah there was no MJ before MJ, but there was Jerry West, George Gervin, Earl Monroe. There wa sno LBJ, but there were Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Elgin Baylor, etc. let's talk other guys, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, etc.

Which Euro guards belong in the same sentence as any of those guys? Zero

Jerry West was not EMJ.

Yet he's better than any guard that has ever come out of the entire Eastern hemisphere. All those guys are. And these guys are all from 1 country, there are dozens upon dozens of countries in the Eastern hemisphere, including my native country for those who think I'm some American racist

[UcanUwill]

Well i emphasized Eastern hemisphere because of guys like Ginobli and nash, there's something about crossing the Atlantic that makes a guard unable to reach superstar status. Dragic is a fine player, but nowhere near a superstar and will never win a title if he's your #1 or #2, heck maybe even #3. Peja wasn't a guard in any way other than spot up shooting, and Parker (to a lesser extent Manu) were big time products of playing next to the greatest PF of all time. Luka won't have that luxury no matter where he goes.

This is such absurd and dissociating argument. We are throwing arguments wjy Doncic is not realted to any other players, but you keep telling how he can't be good, because of this ridiculous argument that has nothing to do with his actual game

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

[Nikson]

There is only one Luka Dončić!
None before was Luka Dončić and he is coming to NBA if he wants!

[daoneandonly]

This is such absurd and dissociating argument. We are throwing arguments wjy Doncic is not realted to any other players, but you keep telling how he can't be good, because of this ridiculous argument that has nothing to do with his actual game

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

And when he becomes an average role player like I've been saying all along, I expect you, Bob, Nikson, and Mirotic to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.

I'll do the same if he becomes a superstar or even makes 1 All NBA Team

[UcanUwill]

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

And when he becomes an average role player like I've been saying all along, I expect you, Bob, Nikson, and Mirotic to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.

I'll do the same if he becomes a superstar or even makes 1 All NBA Team

I argued against people who said ignorant things about Euro ball, and I argued with people who said he surefire superstar. I am not trying to convince you he is surefire superstar, I just trying to show you that your reasoning is absurd. I dont see how you can be proud you were right if he busts, because you never put actual effort or made a good argument why would he bust in your opinion. Your argument is straight up - he is Euro, so he cant be superstar. Thats just being ignorant.

[Nikson]

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

And when he becomes an average role player like I've been saying all along, I expect you, Bob, Nikson, and Mirotic to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.

I'll do the same if he becomes a superstar or even makes 1 All NBA Team

I agree with you. You can start preparation.
This is how I feel Luka is coming to NBA:

Watch on YouTube

[Nikson]

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

And when he becomes an average role player like I've been saying all along, I expect you, Bob, Nikson, and Mirotic to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.

I'll do the same if he becomes a superstar or even makes 1 All NBA Team

I argued against people who said ignorant things about Euro ball, and I argued with people who said he surefire superstar. I am not trying to convince you he is surefire superstar, I just trying to show you that your reasoning is absurd. I dont see how you can be proud you were right if he busts, because you never put actual effort or made a good argument why would he bust in your opinion. Your argument is straight up - he is Euro, so he cant be superstar. Thats just being ignorant.

That's right. I don't know if he is gona be superstar. But I can hope. And I do.
I also like Rubio. But as I see Dončić's production is 3-4x Rubio's was. What should I think?
For me they are both ok.

[Rn5ho]

The hype is ridiculous, any way you slcie it. There have rarely been guys who excelled in the NCAA that have been so hyped up. Yet, many years there have been that superstar guard to come out of an NCAA team. Never once has their been any guard from euroleague who can say the same. I go with history, not first time revelations.

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

And when he becomes an average role player like I've been saying all along, I expect you, Bob, Nikson, and Mirotic to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.

I'll do the same if he becomes a superstar or even makes 1 All NBA Team

Ok.

Will you now stop arguing that he can't be good because noone else before him was? Why don't you rather argue his athleticism (and back it up with numbers/facts), his lack of quickness, ..? These are the things that people will take you seriously on.. these are things that can be discussed.

[daoneandonly]

The hype is ridioculous, because Europe havent had this dominant teenanger sine 80s probably. We keep telling you how Doncic is nothing like his predecessors, but you are like a broken record. Look, its not stupid to question Doncic ceiling, but at least get a good reason. Your reasoning is absurd. You are pulling Apophenic Lincoln-JFK type stuff out of your ass to prove Doncic cant be superstar, argument that has zero weight at all.

And when he becomes an average role player like I've been saying all along, I expect you, Bob, Nikson, and Mirotic to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.

I'll do the same if he becomes a superstar or even makes 1 All NBA Team

I argued against people who said ignorant things about Euro ball, and I argued with people who said he surefire superstar. I am not trying to convince you he is surefire superstar, I just trying to show you that your reasoning is absurd. I dont see how you can be proud you were right if he busts, because you never put actual effort or made a good argument why would he bust in your opinion. Your argument is straight up - he is Euro, so he cant be superstar. Thats just being ignorant.

it's not ignorance, it's not racist, it's HISTORY. It's been proven time and time again, guard play overseas does not translate to NBA stardom. It's not a euro thing when guys like Dirk Giannis Sabonis Jokic etc are doing or have done it. But their perimeter counterparts cannot, and I'm not going to jump on a hype train and believe we are now all of a sudden seeing the mold breaker.

COuld it happen? Sure, like i said before never has a #16 seed beaten a #1 and we got it, but just like I didnt pick UMBC over UVA, I'm not picking Doncic to reach superstardon. People sue the argument they pick #1 over #16 because it's never been done before prior to Friday, that's what I'm doing here.