Luka Doncic Part III

Nikson · Post #381 » by **Nikson** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:58 pm

Türkoğlu helped the team Efes reach the 2000 Euroleague Final Four, averaging 13.6 points and 4.6 rebounds in 22 games. He was already 3 years older. Less weared out and aproximatly half productive or 2/3 productive.
Played around 50 games in 4 years Euroleague with avarage 8 ppg...From 17 to 21 years old.
Fair comparation. He might at the end be a beter NBA player. It is just we don't know that.

What we know is he was older 2 years and in avarage half a Dončić.

Nikson · Post #382 » by **Nikson** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:07 pm

So I would said Bodiroga is per excellence player and was not a bust in NBA as he never played in. I liked him very, very much. I do not prognoze Dončić will be better.
At 19 years old he averaged 21 ppg in Italian league.
First played in Eureague at 23 years old. 6 years has Dončić to achieve this.
Now I am going to compare to Gallinari.

Nikson · Post #383 » by **Nikson** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:15 pm

At 17-18 years In his first season in the top Italian division, Gallinari was named as the league's best player under the age of 22, averaging 10.9 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.7 steals, and 1.0 assists per game in 34 regular season games and 11.5 points, 3.7 rebounds, 2.1 steals, and 0.9 assists per game in 8 playoff games.
In the EuroLeague, he averaged 14.9 points, 4.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, and 1.5 steals per game in 11 games; 20 years old. Dončić have almost year an a half to achieve this. Dončić is younger and better stats. Particular PIR.

Those are all excellent players. Bodiroga is from the other world. But we can't find someone who;
- can be at least 2/3 of productive and team helping as Luka Dončić and
- is less than 2 years older at the same time.

Obviously he is from the wrong hemisphere but other than that we have nothing.

peja_the_legend · Post #384 » by **peja_the_legend** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:21 pm

Gallinari was born in August 88 so when he was performing like this in Euroleague he was 19 years old,same age as Doncic now.There isnt much of a difference as you see.

Nikson · Post #385 » by **Nikson** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:23 pm

Anthony Bennett, Just managed to be born in right hemisphere, lucky boy
2013 #1 pick for Clevelend
Last year Euroleague carrier high 9 points. 25 years old. I will not post his other stat parameters as this only one says everything.

Nikson · Post #386 » by **Nikson** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:26 pm

peja_the_legend wrote:Gallinari was born in August 88 so when he was performing like this in Euroleague he was 19 years old,same age as Doncic now.There isnt much of a difference as you see.

He was one year older, ok? What did I wrote?
Dončić have almost year an a (edited) half to achieve this. Dončić is younger and better stats. Particular PIR.
And Gallinari was well rested as he played 1/2 games as Dončić played in 12 months. Well rested Dončić has 2x Gallinari production this season. It is almost cruel.

burek3 · Post #387 » by **burek3** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:50 pm

Also to be clear, what is the exact line between starter | star | superstar? I'm curious, how well defined are these categories. Do they even have a clear definition?

RookieStar · Post #388 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:29 pm

What the heck is going on here? Every draft prospect is unknown whether to live to his potential , bust or become somewhere in between.

Also, why is someone dragging the NCAA here? Yes there is always a chance that a #16 can take down a #1. Just as that there could be a Euro wing/guard prospect could become a star in the tire of LBJ,Curry,etc. Hast the first one happen? Yes a few days ago, has the second one happen? Not really but time will tell. Could he Doncic be the one? Who knows.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and prediction so leave it at that. I like that Doncic and if we are picking #1, I'm seriously leaning towards him over Bagley right now. But that doesn't mean I'm going to be blind to his shortcomings and history. Since someone mentioned Hedo ,as someone who witnessed prime Hedo on my team, if he produces the same as prime Hedo then it could be considered a good career.

baldur · Post #389 » by **baldur** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:34 pm

peja_the_legend wrote:Gallinari was born in August 88 so when he was performing like this in Euroleague he was 19 years old,same age as Doncic now.There isnt much of a difference as you see.

So funny doncic is not even 19 at the moment and he was leading real Madrid since 17. What did gallinari accomplish at the age of 19?

Mirotic12 · Post #390 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:21 am

Nikson wrote:There was never a NCAA guard who was a superstar in Euroleague. Jennings was not bad. But not a star.

I know you are just trying to point out the ridiculous arguments someone is using here....but,

Sarunas Jasikevicius
Nikos Galis

Right off the top of my head I can think of two.

Mirotic12 · Post #391 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:29 am

peja_the_legend wrote:Ekpe Udoh. He was a dominating beast in Euroleague. Now he doesnt even play in Utah Jazz.Teodosic,a superstar in europe is having a so-so season with Clippers. The best transition has been this of Bogdan Bogdanovic, who i think is a fine player (actually i like him more than Doncic) but he will be nothing more that a solid starter in the league. I could go further mentioning names like Malcolm Delaney (superstar in Euroleague, towel waver in Hawks), Sergio Rodrigues, Nick Calathes (a top 3 candidate for euroleague mvp!!)

None of these statements in bold are true.

peja_the_legend wrote:well Bodiroga was superstar in euroleague as a teenager as well.Never even attempted to play in NBA. Peja was a prolific euroleague scorer from age 19 as well.

That is factually untrue. Bodiroga did not even play in the EuroLeague until the 97-98 season, when he was 24-25.

He averaged 15.8 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 2.3 assists per game, at age 24-25.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_,Uz02qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1998.roundID_2569.playerID_8684.teamID_1020.html

How could he be a "superstar in EuroLeague as a teenager" when he didn't even play in the league until age 24?

Same with Peja. Simply untrue. He averaged 10 points a game in EuroLeague as a teenager. At age 19, he actually wasn't even playing in EuroLeague, he was in the 2nd tier European League.

94-95 at 17, he averaged 10 a game in EuroLeague, on a bad team (they were below .500).

95-96 = 18, he was playing in the 2nd tier European league.

96-97 = 19, he was playing in the 3rd tier European league.

So no, Peja in fact, was not "a prolific EuroLeague scorer at age 19" - he wasn't even in EuroLeague at that age.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_,Uz02qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1998.roundID_2569.playerID_18339.teamID_1003.html

peja_the_legend wrote:Gallinari was born in August 88 so when he was performing like this in Euroleague he was 19 years old,same age as Doncic now.There isnt much of a difference as you see.

Gallinari's stats in EuroLeague, on a bad team (they were 2 games below .500 on the season), at age 23.......

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KRD&seasoncode=E2011

16.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.1 assists - that was at age 23, on a bad EuroLeague team. It's really nothing at all that impressive.

thr3ep01nte4 · Post #392 » by **thr3ep01nte4** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:12 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
peja_the_legend wrote:Gallinari was born in August 88 so when he was performing like this in Euroleague he was 19 years old,same age as Doncic now.There isnt much of a difference as you see.

Gallinari's stats in EuroLeague, on a bad team (they were 2 games below .500 on the season), at age 23.......

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KRD&seasoncode=E2011

16.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.1 assists - that was at age 23, on a bad EuroLeague team. It's really nothing at all that impressive.

That was the 2011-12 season shortened by the NBA lockout. So by the Gallinari played in the EuroLeague, he had been in the NBA for 3 years.

Nikson · Post #393 » by **Nikson** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
Nikson wrote:There was never a NCAA guard who was a superstar in Euroleague. Jennings was not bad. But not a star.

I know you are just trying to point out the ridiculous arguments someone is using here....but,

Sarunas Jasikevicius
Nikos Galis

Right off the top of my head I can think of two.

Yes. They were from a wrong hemisphere too.

916fan · Post #394 » by **916fan** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:46 am

Just leave the irrational comments alone and they'll stop coming back to the thread to flood it.

Bob8 · Post #395 » by **Bob8** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:01 am

916fan wrote:Just leave the irrational comments alone and they'll stop coming back to the thread to flood it.

Those comments are irrational, but perception of Euro players are exactly that in eyes of average ignorant American. That’s why, I believe they need explanation.

nolang1 · Post #396 » by **nolang1** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:47 am

Mirotic12 wrote:Gallinari's stats in EuroLeague, on a bad team (they were 2 games below .500 on the season), at age 23.......

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KRD&seasoncode=E2011

16.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.1 assists - that was at age 23, on a bad EuroLeague team. It's really nothing at all that impressive.

I don't think Gallinari and Deron Williams jumping onto Euroleague teams to get paid and play themselves into shape for the upcoming NBA season, then immediately being the best players on the court, proves what you think it does.

Bob8 · Post #397 » by **Bob8** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:27 am

nolang1 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:Gallinari's stats in EuroLeague, on a bad team (they were 2 games below .500 on the season), at age 23.......

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KRD&seasoncode=E2011

16.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.1 assists - that was at age 23, on a bad EuroLeague team. It's really nothing at all that impressive.

I don't think Gallinari and Deron Williams jumping onto Euroleague teams to get paid and play themselves into shape for the upcoming NBA season, then immediately being the best players on the court, proves what you think it does.

May I add that being best player of very bad team is not some crazy achievement for Nba player. Gallinari has won only 2/7 games. One against team from Belgium. Who has won only 2 games in entire season and has lost with Gallinari’s team by 35 points, when Gallinari was back in Nba. Without him they were 5/9, much better, it looks to me he played more for his stats. than his team. And he was shooting really bad, 26% for 3. I’m not saying that he was bad, but there isn’t a single stats. in what he was better than Doncic, except minutes played. And all that after being 3 years in Nba already.

juanc · Post #398 » by **juanc** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:44 am

Cmon guys you can do better. I can't belive how stubborn some of you are. I know some of you think that talking to daoneandonly feels like talking to the wall, but maybe it is the same when you put yourself in his position. And some of you guys really exaggerate with proving you are right. Everybody is entiteled to their opinion. If you like it or not. You just need filter whose opinion you value more. I hope you get my point.

Today Real is playing against Valencia. They really need to win in order to maintain the homecourt advantage, so I hope Luka will play some minutes today, since he was already training with the team. He played his last game on march 2nd, so I can't wait to see him return

Bob8 · Post #399 » by **Bob8** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:49 am

Bob8 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:Gallinari's stats in EuroLeague, on a bad team (they were 2 games below .500 on the season), at age 23.......

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KRD&seasoncode=E2011

16.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.1 assists - that was at age 23, on a bad EuroLeague team. It's really nothing at all that impressive.

I don't think Gallinari and Deron Williams jumping onto Euroleague teams to get paid and play themselves into shape for the upcoming NBA season, then immediately being the best players on the court, proves what you think it does.

May I add that being best player of very bad team is not some crazy achievement for Nba player. Gallinari has won only 2/7 games. One against team from Belgium. Who has won only 2 games in entire season and has lost with Gallinari’s team by 35 points, when Gallinari was back in Nba. Without him they were 5/9, much better, it looks to me he played more for his stats. than his team. And he was shooting really bad, 26% for 3. I’m not saying that he was bad, but there isn’t a single stats. in what he was better than Doncic, except minutes played. And all that after being 3 years in Nba already.

And what’s maybe more important Gallinari has almost exact stats. In Euroleague and Nba. I slowly see some pattern here. What will Doncic be with 17/5/5 in his rookie season In Nba.

Bob8 · Post #400 » by **Bob8** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:56 am

juanc wrote:Cmon guys you can do better. I can't belive how stubborn some of you are. I know some of you think that talking to daoneandonly feels like talking to the wall, but maybe it is the same when you put yourself in his position. And some of you guys really exaggerate with proving you are right. Everybody is entiteled to their opinion. If you like it or not. You just need filter whose opinion you value more. I hope you get my point.

Today Real is playing against Valencia. They really need to win in order to maintain the homecourt advantage, so I hope Luka will play some minutes today, since he was already training with the team. He played his last game on march 2nd, so I can't wait to see him return

Laso said yesterday was his first training with the team and that he cannot say, if he will play today, but he’s traveling with the team. In reality Real doesn’t desperately need to win today. They are 1 win ahead and have tie advantage against everyone behind. Meaning they can lose 1 game more than others in last 4 games + having relatively easy schedule. On Thursday they play against Zalgiris and Doncic should play then.

https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2018/03/laso-i-always-expect-the-best-from-valencia-basket