Marks report card: guys he let go

[Prokorov]

A look at some of the guys Marks cut, traded, didnt resign, etc... not including the guys we'd obviously want to dump... stretching deron, buying joe, nicholsons contract, etc... im talking about guys we moved who were not dead weight.

Brook Lopez
Career lows in points (12.8), rebounds (3.9) blocks (1.4), TS% (55.4) and PER (16.3)

Sean Kilparick
26 games combined between the bucks an clippers with minimum to zero impact.
would not have had a big role here with our logjam at gaurd

Bojan Bogdanvic
Career Highs this year in points(14) assists (1.5) three point shooting (40%), PER (14.7) and TS% (60.2%). We had to take on Nicholson but it also got us the pick that turned into Jarrett Allen. He signed for 2 years 21 million with the wizards.

Trevor Booker
played 15 mpg in philly giving them like 4/4 a night before being bought out/released and going to indy where he has yet to play a real roll. he hasnt lit the world on fire but his presence was clearly missed on the floor where we struggled on both ends with our bigs especially when RHJ got hurt.

Archie Goodwin
0 games on an NBA roster this season

Justin Hamilton
0 games with the raptors before being let go. 0 NBA games played this season

KJ McDaniels
0 NBA games since being renounced

Chris McCullough
19 G with the wiz with nearly 0 court time before going to the G league

Safe to say that none of these have come back to bite marks... although only really 3 or 4 where guys who had a real roll/future (Lopez, Bogs, Booker, and maybe Kilpatrick/Mccullough).

Lopez is having an awful season and will likely be lucky to to get more then the MLE this offseason. has fallen into what is likely his future roll of backup center/bench scorer

Bogs is having a standout year, but we also got Jarrett Allen for him and 10.5 million didnt really work with our cap heading into this offseason. We have plenty of shooters. If you consider that we got pick #21 and not necessarily jarrett allen you can argue he gives what crabbe does at 1/2 the cost but even then we also took on nicholson. either way its at least a push and if you facotr in allen as the gain that was well worth it.

Booker hasnt done much elsehwere but he is missed. he can also likely be had for 1/3 of what we were paying him moving forward. it got us a year of staukus/okafor. hard to judge. none of the 3 has done much of anything.

[MrDollarBills]

you forgot Thad and Yogi, but I agree no one that we have let go has really come back to haunt Marks.

It baffles me how people on here can say that trading for D'Angelo Russell was a mistake when you look at the kind of season Brook Lopez is having.

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[MrDollarBills]

I still wish we had Zeller, but I like Cunningham a lot.

[shakendfries]

as soon as Marks drops Oka4 and drafts Wagner he'll have a royal flush

[steady]

Marks has made big decisions; but we really won't be able to judge him until we see what he does with DLo/RHJ/Caris/Spencer/Crabbe/even Harris in the next couple of years. And see -- if we can't keep everybody -- how the players we let go, do on other teams

[Prokorov]

Marks has made big decisions; but we really won't be able to judge him until we see what he does with DLo/RHJ/Caris/Spencer/Crabbe/even Harris in the next couple of years. And see -- if we can't keep everybody -- how the players we let go, do on other teams

true, he still has alot that can go wrong.... he will utlimately be judged for what crabbe becomes and if we give DLO the a big contract then him as well.

but he traded the teams best player and franchises leading scorer all time, and in like a few months it was like "brook who" with fans uninamously ok with it a year or so later. thats quite the accomplishment, especially with there being a lot of pro lopez people.

Also bogs is having a career year. 40% from thre and 60% TS yet no one will bash that trade with what he turned bogs in to (jarret allen).

[steady]

Marks has made big decisions; but we really won't be able to judge him until we see what he does with DLo/RHJ/Caris/Spencer/Crabbe/even Harris in the next couple of years. And see -- if we can't keep everybody -- how the players we let go, do on other teams

true, he still has alot that can go wrong.... he will utlimately be judged for what crabbe becomes and if we give DLO the a big contract then him as well.

but he traded the teams best player and franchises leading scorer all time, and in like a few months it was like "brook who" with fans uninamously ok with it a year or so later. thats quite the accomplishment, especially with there being a lot of pro lopez people.

Also bogs is having a career year. 40% from thre and 60% TS yet no one will bash that trade with what he turned bogs in to (jarret allen).

I agree,imo we already know Nets are v lucky to have Marks. What I was trying to say are the decisions he’s made so far are small potatoes in comparison to what’s coming up

Whats impressed me the most and this will not change is his vision and the clarity and certainty of his pursuit of that vision, it seems almost shocking that other teams haven’t embraced the values and goals Marks has-. But very few teams have aspired to so much like Marks

His patience has also been impressive . Marks is like that A student you know is going to face big tests in the future but you are not really that worried about him

[MrDollarBills]

I'm glad that Bojan is playing well, but i make that trade 10 times out of 10. we have a legit modern day center in place for the next 10 years because of it.

[TheNetsFan]

Marks has done a great job turning virtually nothing into young pieces with some potential. I fear that teams are going to catch on that the system is making players look better than they actually are (see the original post). It's likely why Dinwiddie's market was relatively subdued at the trade deadline. We may regret not dealing him for the Cleveland pick when we had the chance. That pick is back at #24, but with it being only 1.5 games from #17, it can and has swung rapidly up the board, where as it is unlikely to be any worse than #25. I believe Marks has a price tag for everyone on the roster, and Dinwiddie would be dealt for a pick in the late teens if that was offered. Should Cleveland's pick wind up there, it would've been a badly missed opportunity.

Marks has aced his drafts thus far, and that's hard to do with late picks. The traditional rebuild begins next year when we finally have our own picks. Whether we want to accept it or not, these past couple of seasons are nothing more than the prelude to a true rebuild. The fact that we have any assets currently is a huge accomplishment.

[vincecarter4pres]

Marks has done a great job turning virtually nothing into young pieces with some potential. I fear that teams are going to catch on that the system is making players look better than they actually are (see the original post). It's likely why Dinwiddie's market was relatively subdued at the trade deadline. We may regret not dealing him for the Cleveland pick when we had the chance. That pick is back at #24, but with it being only 1.5 games from #17, it can and has swung rapidly up the board, where as it is unlikely to be any worse than #25. I believe Marks has a price tag for everyone on the roster, and Dinwiddie would be dealt for a pick in the late teens if that was offered. Should Cleveland's pick wind up there, it would've been a badly missed opportunity.

Marks has aced his drafts thus far, and that's hard to do with late picks. The traditional rebuild begins next year when we finally have our own picks. Whether we want to accept it or not, these past couple of seasons are nothing more than the prelude to a true rebuild. The fact that we have any assets currently is a huge accomplishment.

Agreed on all of this and my opinion, he should have absolutely traded Dinwiddie to Cleveland for their pick. That said, still feel like Dinwiddie, the 28th and possibly one of the 2 firsts we should have will get us into the late lotto to late teens range where he'll have a real shot to snag another steal.

[All Nets]

Is it fair to judge Marks (or any GM) for players' or a picks' future performance?

We traded Bojan for the 22nd pick and took on salary. We didn't trade Bojan for Jarett Allen nor an athletic and defensive modern center. So we have to evaluate Bojan + salary at that moment for the 22nd pick. Just like we didn't trade Brook and a young stud in Kuzma for D'Lo + Mozgov. Just like if we traded RHJ for two second picks and they turn out to be like Marc Gasol and Draymond Green, that doesn't mean the trade itself was good.

So even though Marks let go of Yogi, and Yogi later did some good things for Dallas, it wasn't necessarily a bad move. We didn't have the right personnel balance at the time. Same goes for Bojan in my book, right move to go young.

Lastly, trading Dinwiddie to the Cavs likely would have improved them by at least a few wins, which doesn't net us as low of a pick as we'd hope for.

[TheNetsFan]

Lastly, trading Dinwiddie to the Cavs likely would have improved them by at least a few wins, which doesn't net us as low of a pick as we'd hope for.

I'm not so sure about that. The players they got from the Lakers are better than Dinwiddie.

[Prokorov]

I'm glad that Bojan is playing well, but i make that trade 10 times out of 10. we have a legit modern day center in place for the next 10 years because of it.

True... but Allen was projected mid lottery. if we ended up with say Ivan Rabb instead? idk then.

[Prokorov]

Marks has done a great job turning virtually nothing into young pieces with some potential. I fear that teams are going to catch on that the system is making players look better than they actually are (see the original post). It's likely why Dinwiddie's market was relatively subdued at the trade deadline. We may regret not dealing him for the Cleveland pick when we had the chance. That pick is back at #24, but with it being only 1.5 games from #17, it can and has swung rapidly up the board, where as it is unlikely to be any worse than #25. I believe Marks has a price tag for everyone on the roster, and Dinwiddie would be dealt for a pick in the late teens if that was offered. Should Cleveland's pick wind up there, it would've been a badly missed opportunity.

Marks has aced his drafts thus far, and that's hard to do with late picks. The traditional rebuild begins next year when we finally have our own picks. Whether we want to accept it or not, these past couple of seasons are nothing more than the prelude to a true rebuild. The fact that we have any assets currently is a huge accomplishment.

This x100000

we are 2 years away from being 2 years away from being a playoff contender

[kamaze]

I still wish we had Zeller, but I like Cunningham a lot.

Marks picked up a pick in that trade too I think.

Here it is

The Milwaukee Bucks have acquired center Tyler Zeller from the Brooklyn Nets in exchange for guard Rashad Vaughn and the rights to a future second-round draft pick.

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/02/05/bucks-tyler-zeller-trade-official-release

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Marks has come up on every one of these trades.

The Raptors traded forward DeMarre Carroll to the Brooklyn Nets on Saturday night, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowksi. Carroll heads to Brooklyn along with a first- and second-round draft picks in 2018, and Toronto will receive forward Justin Hamilton.

The Portland Trail Blazers traded guard Allen Crabbe to the Brooklyn Nets for forward Andrew Nicholson, the Nets announced.

On Thursday afternoon, the Brooklyn Nets traded Trevor Booker to the Philadelphia 76ers in exchange for Jahlil Okafor, Nik Stauskas and a 2019 second-round pick.

The Milwaukee Bucks have acquired center Tyler Zeller from the Brooklyn Nets in exchange for guard Rashad Vaughn and the rights to a future second-round draft pick.

[Prokorov]

Marks has made big decisions; but we really won't be able to judge him until we see what he does with DLo/RHJ/Caris/Spencer/Crabbe/even Harris in the next couple of years. And see -- if we can't keep everybody -- how the players we let go, do on other teams

true, he still has alot that can go wrong.... he will utlimately be judged for what crabbe becomes and if we give DLO the a big contract then him as well.

but he traded the teams best player and franchises leading scorer all time, and in like a few months it was like "brook who" with fans uninamously ok with it a year or so later. thats quite the accomplishment, especially with there being a lot of pro lopez people.

Also bogs is having a career year. 40% from thre and 60% TS yet no one will bash that trade with what he turned bogs in to (jarret allen).

I agree,imo we already know Nets are v lucky to have Marks. What I was trying to say are the decisions he’s made so far are small potatoes in comparison to what’s coming up

Whats impressed me the most and this will not change is his vision and the clarity and certainty of his pursuit of that vision, it seems almost shocking that other teams haven’t embraced the values and goals Marks has-. But very few teams have aspired to so much like Marks

His patience has also been impressive . Marks is like that A student you know is going to face big tests in the future but you are not really that worried about him

im not so sure i can sign off on patience and vision.... while i absolutely love what marks as done lets not forget this would look alot less patient if offers werent matched and others were accepted

he threw huge offers at bazemore, porter, johnson a big offer to marvinw illiams and a sizeable one to jared dudley.

we could be a capped out team right now with: Lin, bazemore, crabbe, williams, dudley, allen, tyler johnson, etc... that would have also made it impossible to take on mozgov(to get russell) and carroll.

[steady]

true, he still has alot that can go wrong.... he will utlimately be judged for what crabbe becomes and if we give DLO the a big contract then him as well.

but he traded the teams best player and franchises leading scorer all time, and in like a few months it was like "brook who" with fans uninamously ok with it a year or so later. thats quite the accomplishment, especially with there being a lot of pro lopez people.

Also bogs is having a career year. 40% from thre and 60% TS yet no one will bash that trade with what he turned bogs in to (jarret allen).

I agree,imo we already know Nets are v lucky to have Marks. What I was trying to say are the decisions he’s made so far are small potatoes in comparison to what’s coming up

Whats impressed me the most and this will not change is his vision and the clarity and certainty of his pursuit of that vision, it seems almost shocking that other teams haven’t embraced the values and goals Marks has-. But very few teams have aspired to so much like Marks

His patience has also been impressive . Marks is like that A student you know is going to face big tests in the future but you are not really that worried about him

im not so sure i can sign off on patience and vision.... while i absolutely love what marks as done lets not forget this would look alot less patient if offers werent matched and others were accepted

he threw huge offers at bazemore, porter, johnson a big offer to marvinw illiams and a sizeable one to jared dudley.

we could be a capped out team right now with: Lin, bazemore, crabbe, williams, dudley, allen, tyler johnson, etc... that would have also made it impossible to take on mozgov(to get russell) and carroll.

Yes he's also had a big helping of luck. Its true. not just the FAs who did not sign with Nets, but also that cap space became so valuable in 2017, just when the Nets had a huge amount of it.

But his vision of
a team that is like a family.
the style of basketball the Nets play.
his aggressive pursuit of the players that fit that vision, and
his pretty hard nosed approach to those that don't.
his success at cultivating good will around the League and with his players.

I'm not saying those are enough. You also need at least a couple of all star caliber players etc. But it is a really good base to work from.

[Papi_swav]

Marks has done great, it just sucks that everytime we have another teams 1st round pick, that team decides to ball out that year. First it was the Hawks lucky season now it's the Raptors, I bet they won't be in 1st place next year SMH, at least the Wizards was nice enough to be in the early 20s.