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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#61 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:06 pm

oddity wrote:Trae Young
Finally, the player most of the board has been drooling over. Trae Young is obviously making history right now, and although my overhype detectors went off last year with the last freshman PG sensation, Trae Young might actually be worth a top 5 pick in the draft.
Trae's biggest strength is not his shooting, as most people think; it is actually his ability to get to the line. Trae is crafty, commands limitless space, and has impressive handles. He uses fakes nearly constantly, and is always weaving left and right when going towards the basket, as opposed to Josh Jackson-like straight line drives. He has a James Harden-like quality to him, and by the way uses the same cheesy shooting through the defender's arm move. In conference play, Trae takes 11.7 FTs a game, at free throw rate that sits snuggly between Curry and Harden's. Getting to the line is indicative of high scoring and high efficiency scoring, and breeds consistency. He also makes them when he gets there (83%). This puts him in stark contrast to that last guy from UCLA, who averaged 2.7 FTs a game.

That of course isn't to say his shooting isn't phenomenal. For all the threes he takes (11 attempts a game!!!!) and the level of difficulty he's taking them at it is incredible he can maintain 36% in conference. His form is textbook, his release is lightning quick, and he can take shots either from a standstill, moving left and right, and even stepping back. His shot selection has been wild as of late, but I'm sure he will reign it in when he's on a team with talent on it. The transition 3 will be a consistent weapon for him, and a lineup with him on it will be much better pushing the pace because of the defensive attention he commands. I'm excited to see him coming off of screens and curls. He is quick enough to get free, and I'm sure he will be relieved getting open shots for once.
Trae's passing has been very up and down. He shows great vision, and has a good touch on his passes, but gets very ambitious and looks to make THE pass instead of the RIGHT pass. While it is impressive that he reads through plays and understands where the ball needs to be to score, he must learn more restraint. While he can be a very good passer at the next level, Nash comparisons seem extremely premature. Averaging 9 assists is great if it doesn't come with 7 turnovers, but those turnovers are also a product of the insane amount of possessions Trae must handle the ball in.

Driving to the basket shows a bit of an area of concern for Trae and that is finishing inside. He is small and light at the college level, and he cannot play above the rim like a Donovan Mitchel or Dennis Smith can, which puts him at a huge disadvantage. I've seen him make brilliant moves to the basket, only to get his shot obliterated by a rim protector. The more he learns to make pocket passes to cutting teammates the more efficient he will be in those scenarios, bc as of now it seems like he will struggle in the NBA.

This recent game against Iowa was also a bit concerning. He got outplayed by Lindell Wigginton and locked up by a bad defensive team, and if that continues against more PG rivals it will become a deal-breaker for me. This is something Trae may have in common with that bust out in LA, if you remember how hard he got embarrassed against De'Aaron Fox. (sorry for all the unmitigated Zo hate, but I **** CALLED IT)

The biggest weakness for Trae is his defense. He is certainly quick, but he doesn't have the strength or athleticism to stay with bigger guards. One thing that must be noted is that Trae attacks on offense for the majority of games, and will inevitably take a few plays off out of exhaustion. That will improve with a smaller role in the league. Even so, with below average size and length, he doesn't project to be a particularly good defender in the league.

As primary ball handlers become bigger and bigger, Trae may not the most future-proof kind of player. Big backcourts have become a winning strategy, and I think the 6-7" Luka is a better option on both ends for us. NBA lineups are trending towards five 6-7" guys, and the Suns can get very close to that with Luka instead of Trae.


So have your thoughts on Trae changed at all since this post?
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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#62 » by oddity » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:20 pm

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oddity wrote:Trae Young
Finally, the player most of the board has been drooling over. Trae Young is obviously making history right now, and although my overhype detectors went off last year with the last freshman PG sensation, Trae Young might actually be worth a top 5 pick in the draft.
Trae's biggest strength is not his shooting, as most people think; it is actually his ability to get to the line. Trae is crafty, commands limitless space, and has impressive handles. He uses fakes nearly constantly, and is always weaving left and right when going towards the basket, as opposed to Josh Jackson-like straight line drives. He has a James Harden-like quality to him, and by the way uses the same cheesy shooting through the defender's arm move. In conference play, Trae takes 11.7 FTs a game, at free throw rate that sits snuggly between Curry and Harden's. Getting to the line is indicative of high scoring and high efficiency scoring, and breeds consistency. He also makes them when he gets there (83%). This puts him in stark contrast to that last guy from UCLA, who averaged 2.7 FTs a game.

That of course isn't to say his shooting isn't phenomenal. For all the threes he takes (11 attempts a game!!!!) and the level of difficulty he's taking them at it is incredible he can maintain 36% in conference. His form is textbook, his release is lightning quick, and he can take shots either from a standstill, moving left and right, and even stepping back. His shot selection has been wild as of late, but I'm sure he will reign it in when he's on a team with talent on it. The transition 3 will be a consistent weapon for him, and a lineup with him on it will be much better pushing the pace because of the defensive attention he commands. I'm excited to see him coming off of screens and curls. He is quick enough to get free, and I'm sure he will be relieved getting open shots for once.
Trae's passing has been very up and down. He shows great vision, and has a good touch on his passes, but gets very ambitious and looks to make THE pass instead of the RIGHT pass. While it is impressive that he reads through plays and understands where the ball needs to be to score, he must learn more restraint. While he can be a very good passer at the next level, Nash comparisons seem extremely premature. Averaging 9 assists is great if it doesn't come with 7 turnovers, but those turnovers are also a product of the insane amount of possessions Trae must handle the ball in.

Driving to the basket shows a bit of an area of concern for Trae and that is finishing inside. He is small and light at the college level, and he cannot play above the rim like a Donovan Mitchel or Dennis Smith can, which puts him at a huge disadvantage. I've seen him make brilliant moves to the basket, only to get his shot obliterated by a rim protector. The more he learns to make pocket passes to cutting teammates the more efficient he will be in those scenarios, bc as of now it seems like he will struggle in the NBA.

This recent game against Iowa was also a bit concerning. He got outplayed by Lindell Wigginton and locked up by a bad defensive team, and if that continues against more PG rivals it will become a deal-breaker for me. This is something Trae may have in common with that bust out in LA, if you remember how hard he got embarrassed against De'Aaron Fox. (sorry for all the unmitigated Zo hate, but I **** CALLED IT)

The biggest weakness for Trae is his defense. He is certainly quick, but he doesn't have the strength or athleticism to stay with bigger guards. One thing that must be noted is that Trae attacks on offense for the majority of games, and will inevitably take a few plays off out of exhaustion. That will improve with a smaller role in the league. Even so, with below average size and length, he doesn't project to be a particularly good defender in the league.

As primary ball handlers become bigger and bigger, Trae may not the most future-proof kind of player. Big backcourts have become a winning strategy, and I think the 6-7" Luka is a better option on both ends for us. NBA lineups are trending towards five 6-7" guys, and the Suns can get very close to that with Luka instead of Trae.


So have your thoughts on Trae changed at all since this post?

My thoughts have changed a bit for Trae and a few other guys, but I've recently been too busy to sit down and make another write up. I plan on sharing my thoughts tonight, hopefully.
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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#63 » by NTB » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:37 pm

JMac1 wrote:My new big board....up to 7

Doncic
Ayton
Bamba
Trae
Bagley
JJJ
Porter


Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
JJJ
Trae
Porter
Bamba
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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#64 » by NTB » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:45 pm

So I wrote my big board 3 times in this thread. Let's see what has changed:

11.02.2018

1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. Young
4. Porter
5. JJJ
6. Bamba
7. Bagley

17.02.2018

1- Doncic
2- Ayton
3- JJJ/Bamba
4- Porter
5- Young
6- Bagley

13.03.2018

1) Ayton
2) Doncic
3) Bagley
4) JJJ
5) Young
6) Porter
7) Bamba

* Doncic and Ayton stayed in top 2 in every big board of mine. However, Ayton is ahead of Doncic now.
* I kept Bagley in the last place for a long time but he won me over eventually.
* Bamba is constantly fluctuating in the rankings.
* JJJ is always in the 3-5 range.
* Even after his slump Young stayed in top 5. We really need a shooter PG.
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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#65 » by NTB » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:23 am

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NTB wrote:So I wrote my big board 3 times in this thread. Let's see what has changed:

11.02.2018

1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. Young
4. Porter
5. JJJ
6. Bamba
7. Bagley

17.02.2018

1- Doncic
2- Ayton
3- JJJ/Bamba
4- Porter
5- Young
6- Bagley

13.03.2018

1) Ayton
2) Doncic
3) Bagley
4) JJJ
5) Young
6) Porter
7) Bamba

* Doncic and Ayton stayed in top 2 in every big board of mine. However, Ayton is ahead of Doncic now.
* I kept Bagley in the last place for a long time but he won me over eventually.
* Bamba is constantly fluctuating in the rankings.
* JJJ is always in the 3-5 range.
* Even after his slump Young stayed in top 5. We really need a shooter PG.


What won you over about Bagley? I recall you saying you didn't like him. And what nudged Ayton ahead of Doncic for you?


I've just missed watching a dominant big in a PHX uniform. I think we could benefit from someone like Ayton more than someone like Doncic since we have ball handlers like Booker and sometimes Jackson. Bagley reminds me of Shawn Marion with his motor and second jump. He is also a scoring big like Ayton which we lack hugely. However, if we pick Ayton or Bagley we definitely will need to get a shooter PG via trade or FA. Actually, we can pick SGA with the Heat pick if he is there.

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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#66 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:25 am

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JMac1 wrote:Bamba is thin but he has great muscle tone like Giannis. Most of JJJ blocks are chase downs, not man up blocks like Bamba, so that's misleading. JJJ is reckless on defense, that's why he stays in foul trouble. JJJ is not a better defender than Bamba. How many shots are altered by Bamba that don't show up in the stat sheet?

Most scouts have Bamba done as the better defender. I haven't read anything or seen anything to put JJJ ahead of Bamba on D.


That's strange. By every measure and everything I read it's that JJJr is the most advanced defensively right now. I mean any measurable stat you look at advanced defensive metrics he is ahead...DBPM, DWS, blocks, etc....and then anything I read.

He can defend interior players, perimeter players, makes the right team decisions, etc...they are both really good defenders...it might come down to whether you prefer a Gobert type or a 6'11 Kawhi/Draymond hybrid on defense.

He unnecessarily would chase down some blocks at the beginning of the season, but quickly learned...

Jackson is just an immensely talented human sponge that is learning and improving at a rapid rate.

Even in his second game of the season the IQ was evident defensively. In the first clip below he commits a standard young big mistake in unnecessarily chasing blocks, which results in an uncontested Marvin Bagley put-back dunk:

(video)

Watch how he adjusts two plays later:

(video)

Instead of leaving Bagley’s body this time, Jackson bumps Bagley in pre-box out fashion, taking Bagley out of the play and Jackson still finishes the play by blocking the shot! That two play sequence perhaps illustrates Jackson’s growth capacity and accelerated growth in a microcosm.


Jackson was one of the best defensive players in college basketball the moment he stepped on the court to begin the year, setting an incredibly high bar. He simply should not have evolved into being this good this quickly.

The fact that a player who has legitimate defensive player of the year upside in NBA with consistency upside year-to-year (when we know how valuable defense is for bigs at the next level) is tagged with a low ceiling label probably says a lot about how consensus draft coverage favors offense and devalues defense.


https://www.thestepien.com/2018/02/15/jaren-jacksons-accelerated-rate-development-perimeter-playmaking-vs-minnesota/

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Jackson is a new kind of defensive anchor. At 6-foot-11 and 242 pounds, his frame is right in the sweet spot between size and speed. He’s big enough to be a dominant presence inside without sacrificing his ability to guard on the perimeter. Jackson is the cornerstone of the no. 9 defense in the country as a freshman. According to the tracking numbers at hooplens.com, the Spartans give up 0.87 points per possession when he’s in and 0.98 points per possession when he’s out. He’s the only starter the team defends better with when he’s on the floor than when he’s off.

Bamba gets the Rudy Gobert comparisons, but Jackson is the more effective defender. While he doesn’t have Bamba’s freakish physical dimensions, he actually blocks more shots per minute. He blocks 15.4 percent of the opposing team’s 2-point field goal attempts when he’s on the floor, which would be the highest block rate of any player drafted in the lottery since they began tracking the stat in 2010. He has everything an elite interior defender needs: He has a 7-foot-4 wingspan that covers the rim, he’s fast enough to rotate across the court quickly and cut off dribble penetration, he keeps his head on a swivel and always knows where the other nine players on the floor are, and he never gives up on plays.

Jackson does all this despite rarely playing center. He has spent 84.9 percent of his time on the floor this season as a power forward next to one of three traditional big men (sophomore Nick Ward, senior Gavin Schilling, or freshman Xavier Tillman). Jackson guards the smaller and faster frontcourt player on the opposing team, so he’s often chasing small-ball 4s around the perimeter. It’s valuable experience for the next level, where he will have to switch screens and stay with shooters above the 3-point line, regardless of the position he plays.

His most interesting individual assignment so far was Ohio State’s Keita Bates-Diop, an athletic 6-foot-7 junior combo forward who will likely be a first-round pick in this year’s draft. Bates-Diop’s ability to score all over the floor has made him a breakout star this season, and he is the type of versatile wing Jackson will need to contain off the dribble in the NBA. In their game on January 7, Bates-Diop went 3-of-6 from the field with one turnover and one drawn foul in eight possessions during which Jackson was the primary defender, including one when Jackson shadowed him from the 3-point line to the rim and blocked his shot.


https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2/6/16976438/jaren-jackson-jr-best-big-man-draft


I’m with Lilfishi on this one. Bamba W the better D. Don’t matter. After this game......he’d be useless and JJJ would be better.


Fair enough. Just surprising. Living in Austin, I've watched a ton of Bamba, even saw him live. He has had some impressive games when it comes to rebounds and blocks, but overall the eye test usually doesn't give me a great feel for his overall defense...though I will say he has improved throughout the season.....though of course JJJr has too.

But yeah, being that the game is wing oriented and small ball is the key for all the best teams, that's the main reason I feel JJJr would be so much more valuable in any lineup. I feel like you'd have to sit Bamba whether it be not having a guy to guard because they other team went small, the non existent offense, can't spread the floor, or the bad free throw shooting.

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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#67 » by ATTL » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:05 am

ATTL wrote:My answers could change depending on how Payton meshes with the team the rest of the way. If he averages 16/8/4 on solid shooting and has chemistry then I'd likely avoid a guard since i feel the top prospects are close together.

2/11/18
Ayton- fills a need, dominant at times and getting 20/10. Not Hakeem, not d-rob, i see some Ewing in him, offensively and he would gobble up the rebounds for us with our forwards aversion to rebounding.

Young- love his game, amazing shooter amd passer. Good handle, would take the pressure off booker. Again, if Payton plays well the rest of the way I'd go big with our top pick.

Doncic- best euro prospect ever. Great shooter, passer, all around game. I have more doubts about his transition to point guard and defense than most others but I see the talent.

Bagley- I'm buying his hype. As a rookie he'll be better than faried. I see young amare(that rebounds) in him. If bender shows the ability to play center we'll need someone to average 12 RPG, Bagley could do that.

Bamba- if we fell this far I'd get someone I know can clean up defensive mistakes and be an anchor to our defense potentially being our gobert.

JJJ- i can tell hes more talented than chriss but I worry about the fouls he seems to pick up at a similar pace. Great shot blocker, meh rebounder, i can see the Myles turner resemblance.

Porter- need to see more, he's here for now.

3/13/18
1. ayton
2. Doncic
3. Bagley
4. JJJ
5. Trae
6. Porter
7. Bamba
8. Carter
9. Sexton

For our mid firsts
1. Shai
2. Porter
3. Gafford
4. Musa
5. Robinson
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Post#68 » by Damkac » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Doncic

Ayton
JJJ

Porter
Bagley
Bamba
Young
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Post#69 » by Jwetz83 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:50 pm

Ayton
Bagley
Doncic
Porter
Bamba
JJ


I know everyone believes that it’s a two tier top of the draft.

But Bagley reminds me of Amare. Some compare him to Bosh.
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Post#70 » by bwgood77 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:13 pm

Jwetz83 wrote:Ayton
Bagley
Doncic
Porter
Bamba
JJ


I know everyone believes that it’s a two tier top of the draft.

But Bagley reminds me of Amare. Some compare him to Bosh.


I think Amare is a decent comparison though I don't know if he would ever be as dominant as 04-05 Amare. I think Bagley would be a perfect fit on a D'Antoni team that had a bunch of 3 pt shooters, good defenders and a great pick n roll pg like the Rockets...he'd be a lot like Capela this year.
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Re: What is your draft big board? 

Post#71 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:58 am

Kerrsed wrote:1: Luka Doncic
2: De'Andre Ayton
3: Trae Young
4: Marvin Bagley
5: Mohamed Bamba
6: Michael Porter
7: Jaren Jackson Jr
8: Wendell Carter
9: Kevin Knox
10: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

Yes, i feel that Sexton will fall out of the top 10.


Who you talking about flip flopping?
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Post#72 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:40 am

I go back and forth each day on Doncic v. Ayton. Imo it is just incredibly imperative we get one of those 2.

Interestingly, Givony on ESPN had Wendell Carter jumping up to 6 in his mock today, making Young fall to 8. In that scenario even if we took either Doncic or Ayton, I'd offer a ton for that 8th pick. Maybe everything other than Book and Jackson and who we take at the top.
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Post#73 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:48 am

Tankathon's mock has us taking Ayton at 1, Sexton at 15, and Jontay Porter at 16. That would be pretty interesting. Then Isaac Bonga and another Euro in the 2nd. That draft makes some sense if we don't get the right value to consolidate.

Jontay at 6'11" shoots the 3 pretty well.
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Post#74 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:56 am

ESPN:
1. Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Bagley
4. Jackson
5. Bamba
6. Carter
7. Porter
8. Young
9. Sexton
10. Mikal Bridges
11. Williams
12. Miles Bridges
13. Gilgeous-Alexander
14. Walker
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Post#75 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:15 am

AtheJ415 wrote:Tankathon's mock has us taking Ayton at 1, Sexton at 15, and Jontay Porter at 16. That would be pretty interesting. Then Isaac Bonga and another Euro in the 2nd. That draft makes some sense if we don't get the right value to consolidate.

Jontay at 6'11" shoots the 3 pretty well.


I like Porter....I may have been the first to mention him. The stepien guys are pretty high on him....I like their draft analysis better than espn because at this point they do a deep dive.

Givony (who mostly goes by what he hears from a few team scouts and GMs, in many ways like Chad Ford did, though he is probably a bit more tuned in than Ford was) and Schmidt (who is better with analysis) have dropped the ball and become lazy and spend their time looking at euro players for the future who, most of them, probably don't end up being difference makers in the nba...but they do none of the stuff they used to do on DX which sucks.....at least so far.

I'd rather trust my own instincts reading everyone's analysis, my eye test watching, etc. I am not sure who runs tankathon, but my impression is they mostly just read other mocks and analysis and decide on their own team needs, and apply general rankings to what they view as team needs...so not sure how much stock I put in their's...if I saw some analysis maybe. What I like about The Stepien is they do deep dives and REAL research on guys, and just do their own scouting. People can take that how they will, but it's valuable input imo.

Sexton I am lukewarm on. Bad 3 pt shooting, but he was injured a bit and started off well...seems more of a PG but some on the draft board at least feel one in NBA and learning the PG position and doing a little more playmaking with better players he can turn into something...maybe in a very poor man's Westbrook type of way, converting to more of a PG from kind of playing more of a scoring guard role. Still not sure how I value him, but at 15/16 don't think you can pass him up, depending on if SGA is there and personal views of him...that is, if we don't take Doncic/Young.

The Stepien says they are going to update all player analysis in the next month and I'm interested to see their views.
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Post#76 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:32 am

bwgood77 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Tankathon's mock has us taking Ayton at 1, Sexton at 15, and Jontay Porter at 16. That would be pretty interesting. Then Isaac Bonga and another Euro in the 2nd. That draft makes some sense if we don't get the right value to consolidate.

Jontay at 6'11" shoots the 3 pretty well.


I like Porter....I may have been the first to mention him. The stepien guys are pretty high on him....I like their draft analysis better than espn because at this point they do a deep dive.

Givony (who mostly goes by what he hears from a few team scouts and GMs, in many ways like Chad Ford did, though he is probably a bit more tuned in than Ford was) and Schmidt (who is better with analysis) have dropped the ball and become lazy and spend their time looking at euro players for the future who, most of them, probably don't end up being difference makers in the nba...but they do none of the stuff they used to do on DX which sucks.....at least so far.

I'd rather trust my own instincts reading everyone's analysis, my eye test watching, etc. I am not sure who runs tankathon, but my impression is they mostly just read other mocks and analysis and decide on their own team needs, and apply general rankings to what they view as team needs...so not sure how much stock I put in their's...if I saw some analysis maybe. What I like about The Stepien is they do deep dives and REAL research on guys, and just do their own scouting. People can take that how they will, but it's valuable input imo.

Sexton I am lukewarm on. Bad 3 pt shooting, but he was injured a bit and started off well...seems more of a PG but some on the draft board at least feel one in NBA and learning the PG position and doing a little more playmaking with better players he can turn into something...maybe in a very poor man's Westbrook type of way, converting to more of a PG from kind of playing more of a scoring guard role. Still not sure how I value him, but at 15/16 don't think you can pass him up, depending on if SGA is there and personal views of him...that is, if we don't take Doncic/Young.

The Stepien says they are going to update all player analysis in the next month and I'm interested to see their views.


I don't know that the DX guys like Givony simply don't do some of the deep dive type of stuff they used to anymore. But truthfully I don't follow behind their paywall. I like the Stepien but don't agree with all of their takes. For instance, I don't agree with putting more than Doncic ahead of Ayton.

Sexton's future entirely depends on his 3 point shot. I don't think his IQ is as bad as it seems. Alabama is not well coached imo, and that makes any young PG, particularly one who has to carry the team, look worse than he probably is. I think Sexton is still the 2nd point guard for me because what I do like is he is a guy you know will put in the work at the next level. I like GA too though, so won't complain about either in the 15 or 16 slots if it comes to it.
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Post#77 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:44 am

My new top 17:

1. Doncic
2. Ayton (1 and 2 change for me daily)
3. Young
4. Porter
5. Jackson
6. Bagley
7. Bamba
8. Bridges Nova
9. Carter
10. Bridges MSU
11. Jontay Porter (I just like his length and feel we need the 3 point shooting even at the 5, particularly if we stick with Payton)
12. Robert Williams
13. Sexton
14. SGA
15. Lonnie Walker
16. Gafford
17. Shake Milton

I still like the top Euro guys (Musa, Bonga), Khyri Thomas, Brandon McCoy, and Jevon Carter late. Also Grayson Allen was a lottery pick just 2 years ago and has really fallen.

Given the make up of this draft, aside from Mykal if he somehow slipped to our 2nd or 3rd pick there is not a wing worth taking early other than Doncic, who is a 1 in many ways. We really need to load up on bigs and PGs early if we keep our picks. Since we don't want to bring in a ton of rookies and the international's top players are wings, save those slots for our 2nd rounders (basically, I'm saying draft Ayton or Doncic at 1, then one of the PGs at 15 or 16, and a big with the other pick, then draft the top international guys in the 2nd, who are likely going to be wings).
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Post#78 » by King4Day » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:59 pm

It's crazy to think that if we do land the top lottery odds, that we are guaranteed one of Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, young, Jackson. I wonder if any team would trade their 9 or 10 pick for the 15/16.

I'd love to nab Carter.
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Post#79 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:05 pm

Even 3rd is an 88% chance of top 5.

So predicting McDonough's BB in order: Doncic, Ayton, Jackson, Bamba, Bagley.
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Re: What is your draft big board? Any updates? 

Post#80 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:37 pm

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AtheJ415 wrote:Tankathon's mock has us taking Ayton at 1, Sexton at 15, and Jontay Porter at 16. That would be pretty interesting. Then Isaac Bonga and another Euro in the 2nd. That draft makes some sense if we don't get the right value to consolidate.

Jontay at 6'11" shoots the 3 pretty well.


I like Porter....I may have been the first to mention him. The stepien guys are pretty high on him....I like their draft analysis better than espn because at this point they do a deep dive.

Givony (who mostly goes by what he hears from a few team scouts and GMs, in many ways like Chad Ford did, though he is probably a bit more tuned in than Ford was) and Schmidt (who is better with analysis) have dropped the ball and become lazy and spend their time looking at euro players for the future who, most of them, probably don't end up being difference makers in the nba...but they do none of the stuff they used to do on DX which sucks.....at least so far.

I'd rather trust my own instincts reading everyone's analysis, my eye test watching, etc. I am not sure who runs tankathon, but my impression is they mostly just read other mocks and analysis and decide on their own team needs, and apply general rankings to what they view as team needs...so not sure how much stock I put in their's...if I saw some analysis maybe. What I like about The Stepien is they do deep dives and REAL research on guys, and just do their own scouting. People can take that how they will, but it's valuable input imo.

Sexton I am lukewarm on. Bad 3 pt shooting, but he was injured a bit and started off well...seems more of a PG but some on the draft board at least feel one in NBA and learning the PG position and doing a little more playmaking with better players he can turn into something...maybe in a very poor man's Westbrook type of way, converting to more of a PG from kind of playing more of a scoring guard role. Still not sure how I value him, but at 15/16 don't think you can pass him up, depending on if SGA is there and personal views of him...that is, if we don't take Doncic/Young.

The Stepien says they are going to update all player analysis in the next month and I'm interested to see their views.


I don't know that the DX guys like Givony simply don't do some of the deep dive type of stuff they used to anymore. But truthfully I don't follow behind their paywall. I like the Stepien but don't agree with all of their takes. For instance, I don't agree with putting more than Doncic ahead of Ayton.

Sexton's future entirely depends on his 3 point shot. I don't think his IQ is as bad as it seems. Alabama is not well coached imo, and that makes any young PG, particularly one who has to carry the team, look worse than he probably is. I think Sexton is still the 2nd point guard for me because what I do like is he is a guy you know will put in the work at the next level. I like GA too though, so won't complain about either in the 15 or 16 slots if it comes to it.


I think SGA will put in the work. They say he gets in to the gym at 6am and is a gym rat. I like that he is 6'6 with a 6'11 wingspan to Sexton's 6'2 with a 6'7 wingspan and that he averages more assists, steals, and fewer turnovers than Sexton. He's not quite as dynamic as Sexton, but also shoots from 41.8% from 3 compared to Sexton's 33.6% (though Sexton has 3x the attempts)...but Sexton's 4.3 apg to 3.4 topg is concerning...SGA is 5.5/2.8.

They are probably likely both backup guards, but I think SGA with his length and defense can guard both guard spots, and due to more defensive versatility and size has a better chance to carve out a starting role. Sexton seems more like a scoring guard off the bench. Though perhaps he could be like Bledsoe to some extent.

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