What is your draft big board? Any updates?

[Mulhollanddrive]

I don't have any favourites around the 10-15 but I hope we don't trade up for SGA though I think there's every chance.

[bwgood77]

SGA isn't quick and not a great shooter I don't know any good PGs like that.

What makes you say he can't shoot when he shoots 81.5% from the line and 41.8% from 3? Low volume but it's not like he has a low FT% like Bagley, Josh Jackson, etc.

I mean Sexton shoots 33.6% from 3 and 77.8% from the line...and is 6'2 so will have a harder time getting shot off.

I wouldn't trade up for him though.

[TOO]

SGA isn't quick and not a great shooter I don't know any good PGs like that.

What makes you say he can't shoot when he shoots 81.5% from the line and 41.8% from 3? Low volume but it's not like he has a low FT% like Bagley, Josh Jackson, etc.

I mean Sexton shoots 33.6% from 3 and 77.8% from the line...and is 6'2 so will have a harder time getting shot off.

I wouldn't trade up for him though.

Sexton can get his shot off against anyone thanks to elite athleticism and a 7ft wingspan. That is a poor comparison.

[darealjuice]

SGA isn't quick and not a great shooter I don't know any good PGs like that.

What makes you say he can't shoot when he shoots 81.5% from the line and 41.8% from 3? Low volume but it's not like he has a low FT% like Bagley, Josh Jackson, etc.

I mean Sexton shoots 33.6% from 3 and 77.8% from the line...and is 6'2 so will have a harder time getting shot off.

I wouldn't trade up for him though.

Sexton can get his shot off against anyone thanks to elite athleticism and a 7ft wingspan. That is a poor comparison.

Uhh Sexton is far from having a 7 foot wingspan lol

[bwgood77]

What makes you say he can't shoot when he shoots 81.5% from the line and 41.8% from 3? Low volume but it's not like he has a low FT% like Bagley, Josh Jackson, etc.

I mean Sexton shoots 33.6% from 3 and 77.8% from the line...and is 6'2 so will have a harder time getting shot off.

I wouldn't trade up for him though.

Sexton can get his shot off against anyone thanks to elite athleticism and a 7ft wingspan. That is a poor comparison.

Uhh Sexton is far from having a 7 foot wingspan lol

Just 5 inches off. He's been good at getting his shot off due to quickness...it's too bad it didn't go in more though..but it will be a little more difficult to get it off at the next level. Similar to Fox who has struggled overall with FG%, with a big drop, though better from 3 than in college....not particularly good though.

[Mulhollanddrive]

My semi-realistic trade up rankings (players who could go drop to 7 onwards) would be Young, Porter, Bridges, Carter.

SGA passes up alot of 3 point opportunities like Payton, if we trade up for him he'll have to take 5 instead of 1 per game to be worth 2 firsts.

[bwgood77]

Certainly doesn't mean he's not a good shooter. Doubt anyone trades Porter, Bridges, Carter or Young for a couple of mid firsts.

But I never said I'd trade up for SGA...just would take him at 15 if there. There are other guys I like in that range too.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Doncic- easy number 1. He's just a damn fine player.

Ayton- I get the concerns but what he could become is just too good to pass up. If he hits his ceiling hes a guy other teams would have to game plan for.

Young- he could drop for me but a fun player.

JJJ- modern NBA big

Bamba- another swing for the fences guy. Can't teach his length

Porter- really have a hard time judging him. He could jump to 2 or fall to like

Bagley- question his fit in todays nba but **** at 7 he's a steal.

Sexson - love his pick and roll potential

Both bridges- good players just not as high on my board as the others. Some team is gonna be happy to get them mid lotto.

I like this lotto a lot, my favorite group in years.

Mine's changed a little:

Doncic - Same

Ayton - Same

JJJ- The tourney performance scares me a little but I'll put more stock in the overall body of work. The suns suck at shooting and defense and he could really help change that.

Carter - not even on my original list and I know this is higher than most people will have him but the more I study him the more I think he's going to be really good.

Young - I'm not a huge fan and I really hate drafting for need this high but the Suns simply need a better PG and I hate the FA options and I think both Sexton and SGA will be gone by 15 so gun to my head I would probably have to take Young here.

Bagley - I kind of hate putting him this low but the fit it weird on this team. Now if you could convince me the Suns FO could make some deals to put an ideal roster around him I might be willing to move him up to the 3-4 range. I'm a sucker for guys who play hard.

Bamba - he scares me

Porter - he's the type of player I really like but I just can't get past him not looking healthy and there are other concerns about his game. I just don't think the Suns can risk it with him.

Mikal Bridges - he's going to be solid.

SGA - I think he's going to rocket up boards; would be great if he fell to 15 but I don't think that is going to happen.

[darealjuice]

Certainly doesn't mean he's not a good shooter. Doubt anyone trades Porter, Bridges, Carter or Young for a couple of mid firsts.

But I never said I'd trade up for SGA...just would take him at 15 if there. There are other guys I like in that range too.

Honestly I have trouble projecting a guard that only made 23 and shot 55 3s in 36 games as a good shooter at the next level. You're right that turning down 3s doesn't automatically make you a bad shooter, but I do think it indicates how confident you are with your outside shot, especially when he often turns down fairly open 3s to attack soft closeouts and go 1 on 1 with his man.

I like his game though. He's shifty and smooth, he has very good 2 way potential with his length and size, and all I've heard is that he's a very hard worker that loves the game. I'm sure he's someone we'll take a good look at with the Heat/Bucks picks. I think he's going to need to prove his stroke a bit more for teams in the draft if he wants to break top 10 though. I'm not sure he's quick/athletic enough to beat NBA players to the rim if they play off of him and dare him to shoot, even in college a lot of his shots around the rim are contested floaters. He doesn't have the top end speed like Fox did last year.

[bwgood77]

Certainly doesn't mean he's not a good shooter. Doubt anyone trades Porter, Bridges, Carter or Young for a couple of mid firsts.

But I never said I'd trade up for SGA...just would take him at 15 if there. There are other guys I like in that range too.

Honestly I have trouble projecting a guard that only made 23 and shot 55 3s in 36 games as a good shooter at the next level. You're right that turning down 3s doesn't automatically make you a bad shooter, but I do think it indicates how confident you are with your outside shot, especially when he often turns down fairly open 3s to attack soft closeouts and go 1 on 1 with his man.

I like his game though. He's shifty and smooth, he has very good 2 way potential with his length and size, and all I've heard is that he's a very hard worker that loves the game. I'm sure he's someone we'll take a good look at with the Heat/Bucks picks. I think he's going to need to prove his stroke a bit more for teams in the draft if he wants to break top 10 though. I'm not sure he's quick/athletic enough to beat NBA players to the rim if they play off of him and dare him to shoot, even in college a lot of his shots around the rim are contested floaters. He doesn't have the top end speed like Fox did last year.

Yeah, I mentioned the small sample size compared to Sexton, along with his %, but given the impressive % combined with the impressive FT% I definitely don't think he will be a bad shooter, and can't say he won't be a good one. Now small sample size and bad FT% is a red flag to me, and I'd certainly be more comfortable with the shot on higher volume, but it seems like defenders would have to respect him out there until he proves differently.

Most all the 1 and done point guards from last year, if not all of them, have struggled shooting, so I expect they will all struggle in some respect, but some of them you could see it coming, with Fox's poor FT% and not particularly good FT% and Ball's shooting form. Smith Jr. shot a little less than 36% on pretty good volume but was even a worse FT shooter than Fox..(both low 70s).

The only one that looked like he should be good was Fultz, so he decided to change his shooting form.

[AtheJ415]

Certainly doesn't mean he's not a good shooter. Doubt anyone trades Porter, Bridges, Carter or Young for a couple of mid firsts.

But I never said I'd trade up for SGA...just would take him at 15 if there. There are other guys I like in that range too.

I think it depends on who is there and at what pick. Realistically if we're talking those 4, unless Porter has a huge medical red flag, that means into the top 9. I think 9 for 15 and another pick (maybe not 16 but a future one) could work. Depending on the player there (particularly if it was Young or Porter), I would throw in Warren if need be, who is damn solid, and remove a pick (so Warren and 15 plus maybe our 2nd) for 9.

[bwgood77]

Doncic- easy number 1. He's just a damn fine player.

Ayton- I get the concerns but what he could become is just too good to pass up. If he hits his ceiling hes a guy other teams would have to game plan for.

Young- he could drop for me but a fun player.

JJJ- modern NBA big

Bamba- another swing for the fences guy. Can't teach his length

Porter- really have a hard time judging him. He could jump to 2 or fall to like

Bagley- question his fit in todays nba but **** at 7 he's a steal.

Sexson - love his pick and roll potential

Both bridges- good players just not as high on my board as the others. Some team is gonna be happy to get them mid lotto.

I like this lotto a lot, my favorite group in years.

Mine's changed a little:

Doncic - Same

Ayton - Same

JJJ- The tourney performance scares me a little but I'll put more stock in the overall body of work. The suns suck at shooting and defense and he could really help change that.

Carter - not even on my original list and I know this is higher than most people will have him but the more I study him the more I think he's going to be really good.

Young - I'm not a huge fan and I really hate drafting for need this high but the Suns simply need a better PG and I hate the FA options and I think both Sexton and SGA will be gone by 15 so gun to my head I would probably have to take Young here.

Bagley - I kind of hate putting him this low but the fit it weird on this team. Now if you could convince me the Suns FO could make some deals to put an ideal roster around him I might be willing to move him up to the 3-4 range. I'm a sucker for guys who play hard.

Bamba - he scares me

Porter - he's the type of player I really like but I just can't get past him not looking healthy and there are other concerns about his game. I just don't think the Suns can risk it with him.

Mikal Bridges - he's going to be solid.

SGA - I think he's going to rocket up boards; would be great if he fell to 15 but I don't think that is going to happen.

Not too far off from mine which I updated a couple days ago in the OP.

[bwgood77]

Certainly doesn't mean he's not a good shooter. Doubt anyone trades Porter, Bridges, Carter or Young for a couple of mid firsts.

But I never said I'd trade up for SGA...just would take him at 15 if there. There are other guys I like in that range too.

I think it depends on who is there and at what pick. Realistically if we're talking those 4, unless Porter has a huge medical red flag, that means into the top 9. I think 9 for 15 and another pick (maybe not 16 but a future one) could work. Depending on the player there (particularly if it was Young or Porter), I would throw in Warren if need be, who is damn solid, and remove a pick (so Warren and 15 plus maybe our 2nd) for 9.

Yeah, maybe like next year top 3 protected or something plus 15 could get you 9. Not sure. But I wouldn't do it. I'd just hang onto future picks and our two mid firsts. I think 15/16 could maybe get you to 11 or 12 this year.

The tank race is crazy this year for a reason...being this draft is a good 10 deep....and all the teams in there need help now, even Cleveland. I don't think Warren has much trade value as long as he struggles from 3 and defensively.

[Djedefre]

1. Doncic
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2. Young
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3. Ayton
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4. Porter Jr*
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5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Jackson Jr

1. Doncic
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2. Young
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3. Ayton
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4. Porter Jr
5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Jackson Jr

I removed * because i finally get to see Porter playing. Rusty and obviously not 100% physically, but he gave some additional small concerns - putting the ball on the floor and handling in traffic. Not enough to make any conclusion, but pushed me to put him in the same tier as Bamba, Jackson Jr and Bagley.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Certainly doesn't mean he's not a good shooter. Doubt anyone trades Porter, Bridges, Carter or Young for a couple of mid firsts.

But I never said I'd trade up for SGA...just would take him at 15 if there. There are other guys I like in that range too.

I think it depends on who is there and at what pick. Realistically if we're talking those 4, unless Porter has a huge medical red flag, that means into the top 9. I think 9 for 15 and another pick (maybe not 16 but a future one) could work. Depending on the player there (particularly if it was Young or Porter), I would throw in Warren if need be, who is damn solid, and remove a pick (so Warren and 15 plus maybe our 2nd) for 9.

Yeah, maybe like next year top 3 protected or something plus 15 could get you 9. Not sure. But I wouldn't do it. I'd just hang onto future picks and our two mid firsts. I think 15/16 could maybe get you to 11 or 12 this year.

The tank race is crazy this year for a reason...being this draft is a good 10 deep....and all the teams in there need help now, even Cleveland. I don't think Warren has much trade value as long as he struggles from 3 and defensively.

I wouldn't deal Warren in a trade for another pick. We have so few quality rotation players as it stands. We want to compete. TJ has been with this team for four years, and once Alex leaves, TJ becomes the player with the longest tenure on this roster.

In my view, if we're trading TJ, it can only be in a deal for another current rotation player on a medium- to long-term deal.

[Walt_Uoob]

Basing my tiers on the subjective feeling I get when I imagine drafting each guy.

Unreservedly Stoked:
1. Doncic: Versatile, proven winner, polished beyond his years, fits our team. Seems like his ceiling is Larry Bird and his floor is...maybe Tyreke Evans? Should have an immediate impact and a long career.

Totally down:
2. JJJ: Love this guy. Maybe less star potential than Ayton/Young/Porter but should be a true two-way player, which I really value. Prime Ibaka does seem like the best comparison but JJJ is a little bigger and should be able to play more C. His defense helps offset Booker's average D, his shooting spaces the floor for everyone while making it easier to accommodate weaker shooters like Warren and Payton, and his FT shooting is a great bonus too. I also like that he's showing all this at such a young age. No worries about him fitting into a front-court rotation with Bender/Chriss even though they do have similarities.
3. Ayton: Just some minor reservations about his defense and whether he can be as good as AD/KAT/Embiid. There seems to be less margin for error than there used to be for that type of center, by which I mean if you're not on that superstar level then you're basically on a level with guys like Vucevic, a solid player who no one really misses when he's gone.

Cautiously excited:
4. Porter: This certainly depends on his health but for this purpose I'm assuming our medical staff says he's fine. I know the least about him which also means I don't know as much about his weaknesses as I do for other guys. He's also not the greatest fit and taking him might require moving guys I really like, but that star potential is there and I think since JJ can play 2/3 and Bender can play 4/5, Porter can fit in as a 3/4. I love Warren but don't want him playing much at 4 so I see him eventually in that 6th man role others have described, so I think it can work with Porter.
5. Young I worry about his defense, turnovers, and adjustment to the NBA but his production is undeniable and the splash brothers potential is just delicious.
6. Bamba He's super intriguing but also seems to have the highest potential to totally bust out of all these top prospects (I guess now that our future is coming into more focus I'm more risk-averse would have been in other recent drafts).

Excitedly cautious:
7. Bagley
8. Mikal Bridges
9. Wendell Carter
10. Sexton

Biggest changes for me are that Doncic is even farther ahead of the rest now and I'm having even more trouble talking myself into Ayton. But there's a lot of other shuffling here too:

Unreservedly Stoked:
1. Doncic: All of the same reasons I initially cited plus his passion and fire. He's way out in front for me now.

Totally down:
2. JJJ: His lackluster stats at times are a definite turn-off but like with Doncic, I see a fire in his game that I don't see in Ayton or in our current bigs.
3. Wendell Carter: I'll bite the bullet and move him all the way up here. Weekapaug said it perfectly in the draft thread: "Sure he's not a freak athlete with insane Bamba length but he's plenty big enough to play C and actually thick enough to not get pushed around. People might say he doesn't have the upside but of the guys projected to go in the top 10 only JJJ is younger than him so I think there's a lot of growth left in his game. He seems to do everything pretty well so I'm honestly confused why he is always ranked behind guys like Bamba, Porter, and even Bagley who have way more red flags."

Cautiously excited: (the specific ordering in this tier is really hard for me; they're all really close and all pretty scary)
4. Young Still have lots of concerns about his defense etc but am coming around on his playmaking rather than his shooting as his top selling point.
5. Bamba I don't worry so much about his floor or bust potential anymore. I think he has a place in the league as a starting-caliber C and possibly much higher.
6. Porter: I don't love the fit and still haven't seen that much of him but he does seem to have superstar potential and some elite tools.
7. Ayton: I have a bad feeling about him. I think he's benefiting from the AD/KAT/Embiid generation of centers and people wanting him to be on their level when he's just not (similarly to how Bender benefited from Porzingis's impact and maybe how Trae is benefiting from the Curry comparison). He feels more and more like that guy who's going to go #2 because that's the consensus but he's going to have just an okay career and ultimately be outplayed by several people drafted after him. I probably won't be able to keep him this low through June but right now I feel like he has as much bust potential as any of these other guys.

Excitedly cautious:
8. Gilgeous-Alexander: This is probably too high for him and too much based on fit, but I like him a lot. I would trade 15 and 16 to get up to this range to nab him.
9. Bagley: wouldn't want him in the top 5 but seems like great value in this range. I'd probably trade 15 and 16 for him too.
10. Mikal Bridges: fit is suspect but should have a good career
11. Miles Bridges: could be a total steal if other teams don't adequately account for the fact that he was playing out of position this year.
12. Sexton: love his game actually and he could really make teams regret passing on him but I still wouldn't touch him until around here.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I was thinking of some upside comps for the top 9 in this draft, and it got me thinking. If all of these players were somehow in the same draft, in what order would you draft them?

Al Horford
Kevin Garnett
Damian Lillard
Klay Thompson
Karl-Anthony Towns
James Harden
Tracy McGrady
Amare Stoudemire
Rudy Gobert

[NTB]

I was thinking of some upside comps for the top 9 in this draft, and it got me thinking. If all of these players were somehow in the same draft, in what order would you draft them?

Al Horford
Kevin Garnett
Damian Lillard
Klay Thompson
Karl-Anthony Towns
James Harden
Tracy McGrady
Amare Stoudemire
Rudy Gobert

1. James Harden
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Karl-Anthony Towns
4. Damian Lillard
5. Tracy McGrady
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Klay Thompson
8. Rudy Gobert
9. Al Horford

I am really not sure about this.

So if i am not wrong, according to this, my big board should be like:

1. Doncic
2. JJJr(?)
3. Ayton
4. Young
5. Porter
6. Bagley
7. Mikal(?)
8. Bamba
9. Carter

[Djedefre]

Wait a minute, who the heck are Klay and TMac?

[NTB]

Wait a minute, who the heck are Klay and TMac?

I assume Klay is Mikal and TMac is Porter. Who is Horford though?