Political Roundtable Part XIX

[Ruzious]

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This admin has more turnovers than John Wall's had his entire career. Cue drumroll.

[JWizmentality]

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This admin has more turnovers than John Wall's had his entire career. Cue drumroll.

Boooooo!!! Laaaaame!!!! I want my money back!!

[cammac]

Mueller has given a witness immunity. The walls are closing in on many Tru
mp associates.

Mr. Nader’s cultivation of Mr. Broidy, laid out in documents provided to The New York Times, provides a case study in the way two Persian Gulf monarchies have sought to gain influence inside the Trump White House. Mr. Nader has been granted immunity in a deal for his cooperation with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to people familiar with the matter, and his relationship with Mr. Broidy may also offer clues to the direction of that inquiry.

Mr. Nader has now been called back from abroad to provide additional testimony, one person familiar with the matter said this week. Mr. Mueller’s investigators have already asked witnesses about Mr. Nader’s contacts with top Trump administration officials and about his possible role in funneling Emirati money to Mr. Trump’s political efforts, a sign that the investigation has broadened to examine the role of foreign money in the Trump administration.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/21/1751042/-Mueller-Grants-Immunity-to-Organizer-of-Seychelles-Back-Channel-Meeting-Calls-Him-Back

[cammac]

One party & 2 messages. During the Obama years the Reptilians harped about the deficit and gave doomsday predictions. Yes Obama did run up deficits mainly because of the incompetence of the Bush Administration triggering a economic collapse.

Now the USA economy is at full employment and the Republicans have given the top 1% and large corporations the keys to the kingdom in a $1.5 Trillion unfunded tax cut. Now the congress has passed $1.3 Trillion budget 2232 page budget non one has read.

When Republicans are in power, they spend. When they are out of power, they harp about deficits and debt. It’s a strategy they have shamelessly executed with success over the course of several presidencies. During George W. Bush’s administration, for example, Republicans ran up the national credit card with two unpaid wars, two tax cuts, and a huge expansion of Medicare. And, it’s a tactic they’ll likely use in the future if Democrats succeed in clawing their way back into power ― by claiming the need to cut spending on entitlements and welfare programs.

Boehner’s successor as speaker, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), became the poster boy for fiscal conservatism at the time. As chairman of the powerful House Budget Committee, Ryan crusaded around Washington with charts and PowerPoint presentations, saying the nation was at a “tipping point” because of its debt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/republicans-deficits-spending_us_5ab3b942e4b0decad0478d51

[Wizardspride]

John Bolton.....

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[queridiculo]

John Bolton.....

you can't make this **** up.

[closg00]

John Bolton.....

you can't make this **** up.

Assembling the worst of the worst team

[Wizardspride]

John Bolton.....

you can't make this **** up.

Assembling the worst of the worst team

Sessions and now Bolton.

MAGA suckers!

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[stilldropin20]

The officer should certainly be commended, but there is this issue that might be kind of important... kids were shot... again. Does everyone understand that's a problem? I know one brain-dead poster that doesn't get it.

but what about when a guy uses bombs instead of guns? I'll bet some nut job can make at least 6 bombs and spread them around and kill people. if he gets those bombs in the right places might even be able to kill a lot of people.

speaking of. yeah they caught the guy in texas who made 6 such bombs and killed 3 people. turn to CNN. theres a picture of stormy taking a lie detector test. Ive seen that picture on CNN for the last 2 days at least 20 times.

I’m not a liberal but the point isnt that someone stopped the shooter...the problem is kids got shot. its idiotic that people are highlighting that it could have been worse... You focusing on the wrong issue.

i think the larger point is that mentally ill people that want to somewhat randomly kill or harm innocent people will find a way to do so. Guns, bombs, poison, driving autos into groups of people, etc.

5 days ago a kid entered a school with a gun to kill and no one dies except that the shooter who was stopped with by an armed guard with a gun. During the same week another 23 year old down in texas killed 2 and injured about 7 more with bombs while terrorizing the entire town.

[stilldropin20]

you can't make this **** up.

Assembling the worst of the worst team

Sessions and now Bolton.

MAGA suckers!

i never liked Sessions. Never thought much of mcmasters. I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.

[verbal8]

How could someone be full of common sense and support Trump's incoherent foreign policy?

Assembling the worst of the worst team

Sessions and now Bolton.

MAGA suckers!

i never liked Sessions. Never thought much of mcmasters. I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.

[CobraCommander]

but what about when a guy uses bombs instead of guns? I'll bet some nut job can make at least 6 bombs and spread them around and kill people. if he gets those bombs in the right places might even be able to kill a lot of people.

speaking of. yeah they caught the guy in texas who made 6 such bombs and killed 3 people. turn to CNN. theres a picture of stormy taking a lie detector test. Ive seen that picture on CNN for the last 2 days at least 20 times.

I’m not a liberal but the point isnt that someone stopped the shooter...the problem is kids got shot. its idiotic that people are highlighting that it could have been worse... You focusing on the wrong issue.

i think the larger point is that mentally ill people that want to somewhat randomly kill or harm innocent people will find a way to do so. Guns, bombs, poison, driving autos into groups of people, etc.

5 days ago a kid entered a school with a gun to kill and no one dies except that the shooter who was stopped with by an armed guard with a gun. During the same week another 23 year old down in texas killed 2 and injured about 7 more with bombs while terrorizing the entire town.

Check again....someone died....either way....tooooooooooo many people dying gun deaths.... way more innocent people dying than protecting themselves with guns

[stilldropin20]

I’m not a liberal but the point isnt that someone stopped the shooter...the problem is kids got shot. its idiotic that people are highlighting that it could have been worse... You focusing on the wrong issue.

i think the larger point is that mentally ill people that want to somewhat randomly kill or harm innocent people will find a way to do so. Guns, bombs, poison, driving autos into groups of people, etc.

5 days ago a kid entered a school with a gun to kill and no one dies except that the shooter who was stopped with by an armed guard with a gun. During the same week another 23 year old down in texas killed 2 and injured about 7 more with bombs while terrorizing the entire town.

Check again....someone died....either way....tooooooooooo many people dying gun deaths.... way more innocent people dying than protecting themselves with guns

45,000 deaths from opoids overdoes including like 5 celebrities last year. 64,000 total drug OD's

480,000 tobacco related deaths.

mass shooting are on the rise due to parkland, orlando, and esp vegas. so we need to refigure ways in which we defend the public at large from these kinds of shooting. but still...we are only averaging around 400 deaths via mass shooting going back 5 years and way less going back further. the only reason there are so many "mass shooting" is because of gang thefts and gang retrobution where 1-2 get shot initally, shots get fired back, and sometimes and good samaritin or police officer is around and also fires a shot. Most of the time, a shootout is not planned like it was in orlando, vegas, and parkland. when a mass shootout is "planned," it aounts to less than 60 deaths per year going back 25 years.

and what is it? depending on the year there is something like around 1500-2200 deaths from guns that was non-gang violence. this includes crimes of passion. domestic violence. school shootings, random shootings etc. Thats it. 1500-2000. It would be nice to curtail all murders, suicides, and deaths but it seems like there are much much MUCH bigger killers out there.

I've long accepted that mobsters and gangsters, and gang bangers are going to kill each other. I've also accepted a certain number of OJ style crimes of passion. and unfortunately a certain small number of psycho serial killers like Gasey, and Dahmer. And more recently we now have to add angry young adult mass shooters into the equation. We cant take rights away from the rest of the citzens for these extremely rare outliers until we completely outlaw and completely remove society cigerettes, all opoids, cocaine, molly, and completely remove the ability to drive drunk. because EDIT distracted drivers are still killing almost 38,000 people per year. texting or whatever distracts them. so that means we have less than 100 per year on average of non gang related mass shootings and 38,000 per year from distracted drivers. mind numbing. but what it even more mind numbing is that when you look at these stats people seem to genuinely believe we have a problem with guns when we dont. we have a problem with cigarettes, opioids, distracged drivers. driving while under the influence. a problem with young gang bangers. a problem with crimes of passion but even that is not too bad (around 2000 per year).

opiods, drunk driving, cigerettes, cell phone usage while driving: Yes.non gang related mass shooting: No. these are extremely rare outliers. the rarest of rares. so rare they are within the standard deviation in term of causes of death. likely less than than 1/10th of the standard deviation. Anyone trying to turn that into a mass shooting problem is a liar. lying to themselves and then to the public.


Instead we have other real problems to fix that is related to guns. gang banging problem. and those gang bangers use guns often. and they live in cities with the strictest gun control laws.

sorry folks. nothing to see here. the numbers just dont support your argument.

[stilldropin20]

How could someone be full of common sense and support Trump's incoherent foreign policy?

Sessions and now Bolton.

MAGA suckers!

i never liked Sessions. Never thought much of mcmasters. I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.

as incoherent as it seems to you, it really cant be any simpler.

1. america first: protect the american worker, recources, and markets.

2. dont start no shxt wont be no shxt.

just cant be simpler than that. nearly every single politician on the planet campaign on this exact same agenda or some variation thereof. so that makes me ask, is it because trump means it? and is holding foreign states accountable that makes it incoherent?

or does it scare all the chicken littles that Trump understands and accepts you must break some eggs to make an omelet?

[queridiculo]

Check again....someone died....either way....tooooooooooo many people dying gun deaths.... way more innocent people dying than protecting themselves with guns

For every criminal killed in self-defense 34 innocent people die.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/?utm_term=.e4cedd208412

Who knows how they arrive at those numbers, but even if it's "only" 1, that's one too many.

[closg00]

I may have been posted already, but the Austin bomber was a deplorable.

A BuzzFeed report revealed that Conduit had been active in a Bible study group called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT) that focused on outdoor survival skills, including how to shoot guns and use knives.

What is Trump doing to protect us from white, male domestic terrorist?

[queridiculo]

You can tell by the choice of name for their group that these are peaceful Christians, devoted to scripture, and spreading God's words of universal love and acceptance.

[Ruzious]

I may have been posted already, but the Austin bomber was a deplorable.

A BuzzFeed report revealed that Conduit had been active in a Bible study group called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT) that focused on outdoor survival skills, including how to shoot guns and use knives.

What is Trump doing to protect us from white, male domestic terrorist?

Why, there's no such thing!