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Political Roundtable Part XIX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#941 » by montestewart » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:05 pm

closg00 wrote:I may have been posted already, but the Austin bomber was a deplorable.
A BuzzFeed report revealed that Conduit had been active in a Bible study group called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT) that focused on outdoor survival skills, including how to shoot guns and use knives.


What is Trump doing to protect us from white, male domestic terrorist?

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#942 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:06 pm

queridiculo wrote:You can tell by the choice of name for their group that these are peaceful Christians, devoted to scripture, and spreading God's words of universal love and acceptance.

BTW, isn't this the name of a song too?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#944 » by cammac » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:12 pm

I find it strange that so many of the Presidents that seem so gung ho about conflict never served and avoided military service. Now we have a National Security Advisor who like Trump avoided military service in Vietnam. But is perfectly willing to send the underclass into combat to lose there lives. With Trumps comments about the fallen soldier in Niger we know how much empathy and basic disgust he has for those who have given the ultimate sacrifice.

McMaster spent his White House tenure trying to save the Iran nuclear deal from Trump. Bolton delights in encouraging Trump to rip it up. In the White House meetings the two have had over the past weeks, Bolton has reiterated his position that nuclear deal is not one that can be “fixed” and that withdrawal as soon as possible is the best course of action, according to two people briefed on their conversations.

Trump, who is loath to fire his subordinates, let McMaster twist in the political wind for weeks. Rumors swirled that General Vincent Brooks might soon leave his command of U.S. forces in Korea, freeing up McMaster for a fourth star and a final, face-saving assignment. Instead, McMaster has opted to retire, raising questions over whether Trump offered him a path to continued service—or if McMaster had had enough. McMaster’s generalship was famously hard-won, coming only on the personal intervention of Petraeus against Army leadership, at the height of Petraeus’ influence.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#945 » by UcanUwill » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:14 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:but what about when a guy uses bombs instead of guns? I'll bet some nut job can make at least 6 bombs and spread them around and kill people. if he gets those bombs in the right places might even be able to kill a lot of people.

speaking of. yeah they caught the guy in texas who made 6 such bombs and killed 3 people. turn to CNN. theres a picture of stormy taking a lie detector test. Ive seen that picture on CNN for the last 2 days at least 20 times. :lol:


I’m not a liberal but the point isnt that someone stopped the shooter...the problem is kids got shot. its idiotic that people are highlighting that it could have been worse... You focusing on the wrong issue.



i think the larger point is that mentally ill people that want to somewhat randomly kill or harm innocent people will find a way to do so. Guns, bombs, poison, driving autos into groups of people, etc.

5 days ago a kid entered a school with a gun to kill and no one dies except that the shooter who was stopped with by an armed guard with a gun. During the same week another 23 year old down in texas killed 2 and injured about 7 more with bombs while terrorizing the entire town.


This is such a backwards logic. Nuts would find way to kill, so lets do nothing. Guns are the most efficient way to mass killing, and its a fact. And it shouldn't be so easily accessible, period. Look at other countries and how much safer it is, because they do have sensible gun laws. I swear some Americans are living in a bubble and cant see the obvious problem, or they just choose not to see it, because I dont know - right wing values?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#946 » by gtn130 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:32 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.


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Post#947 » by gtn130 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:35 pm

I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.
I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.
I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.
I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.
I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.

I think Bolton is the perfect choice right now. Bolton is full of common sense to see the trump foreign policy campaign pledges through.
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Post#948 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:51 pm

Interesting read from NYTimes...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/john-bolton-national-security-adviser.html

"...a hawk among hawks, a hard-liner who thrills conservatives and chills moderates and liberals..."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#949 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:55 pm

What I find strange is that we are still trying to be the world's policeman when we can't even afford or basic services at home.

Time to turnover our worldwide bases to our allies and let them fund their own defense.
cammac wrote:I find it strange that so many of the Presidents that seem so gung ho about conflict never served and avoided military service.
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Post#950 » by closg00 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:13 pm

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Post#951 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:36 pm

dckingsfan wrote:What I find strange is that we are still trying to be the world's policeman when we can't even afford or basic services at home.

Time to turnover our worldwide bases to our allies and let them fund their own defense.
cammac wrote:I find it strange that so many of the Presidents that seem so gung ho about conflict never served and avoided military service.

I have long advocated for this. For many reasons:

1. Cost. obvious.
2. It wont be long before there is mass conflict as leaders go unchecked. and WW3 breaks out. let them fight. send refugees to a neutral site.

So to pull this strategy off correctly you must first rid the world of all the radical wannabe nuclear powers. like iran and NK. and physically blowing up their nuclear programs and occupying these countries is not a bad strategy. These countries are not the underlying problem. The underlying problem is the wealthy countries that fund these programs on the "down low" yet want their own nuclear agenda advanced and found a stupid test market to employ their evil.

But if i'm in charge of the US. I would allow WW3 to break out so long as nukes are not used. once the world is at war. those armies will have one thing on their mind. invade adjacent "enemies" and pillage their states of Gold. They need gold to pay their armies.

As this occurs the wealthy elite will look for the safest place to keep their currency. They will need the most stable markets. The US should impose a 30-50% surcharge to safe keep the world currencies.

And once the world has kicked the crap out of each other. come in a save the day at the end. and by end i do mean the very end.

This is the most cost effective strategy and at this point the only path out of the national debt.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#952 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:38 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting read from NYTimes...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/john-bolton-national-security-adviser.html

"...a hawk among hawks, a hard-liner who thrills conservatives and chills moderates and liberals..."

Basically, he represents the most hawkish of neocons.
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Post#953 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:41 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting read from NYTimes...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/john-bolton-national-security-adviser.html

"...a hawk among hawks, a hard-liner who thrills conservatives and chills moderates and liberals..."


trumps entire foreign policy is negotiation through strength. he now has CIA director as SoS and Bolton as NSA. and trump himself his portrayed as off the rails. This is a group that just might feel froggy and jump one day. which is what you want other heads of state to think if your entire platform is foreign policy negotiation is through strength.

I know it scares the little boys and girls and makes them pee their pants. but sometimes the only way to avoid a fight with crazy it to be crazier. They gotta believe your nutz enough to follow through on your threats.

or else its back to appeasement and paying everyone off who doesn't listen anyway. they just take our money and do what they want.
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Post#955 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:47 pm

dckingsfan wrote:What I find strange is that we are still trying to be the world's policeman when we can't even afford or basic services at home.

Time to turnover our worldwide bases to our allies and let them fund their own defense.

And I think that's where George W. Bush was heading for before Dick and the other Neocon cons got to him.
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Post#956 » by CobraCommander » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:49 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
I’m not a liberal but the point isnt that someone stopped the shooter...the problem is kids got shot. its idiotic that people are highlighting that it could have been worse... You focusing on the wrong issue.



i think the larger point is that mentally ill people that want to somewhat randomly kill or harm innocent people will find a way to do so. Guns, bombs, poison, driving autos into groups of people, etc.

5 days ago a kid entered a school with a gun to kill and no one dies except that the shooter who was stopped with by an armed guard with a gun. During the same week another 23 year old down in texas killed 2 and injured about 7 more with bombs while terrorizing the entire town.


This is such a backwards logic. Nuts would find way to kill, so lets do nothing. Guns are the most efficient way to mass killing, and its a fact. And it shouldn't be so easily accessible, period. Look at other countries and how much safer it is, because they do have sensible gun laws. I swear some Americans are living in a bubble and cant see the obvious problem, or they just choose not to see it, because I dont know - right wing values?


The divide between the right and left is so wide right now that some logical people are adopting these illogical views because their most important view is on one of the sides. For example, there are people that are anti-abortion that are pro gun just because the right has made that one of their causes. When you have people carrying banners for sides that have a million causes that promote the division—you won’t be able to win reasonable debates even when you have facts on your side. In other words... my man is lost in the echo chamber... tied to the matrix... essentially traded his reasonable mind for a party... sad


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Post#957 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:00 pm

Ruzious wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What I find strange is that we are still trying to be the world's policeman when we can't even afford or basic services at home.

Time to turnover our worldwide bases to our allies and let them fund their own defense.

And I think that's where George W. Bush was heading for before Dick and the other Neocon cons got to him.

This... When 9/11 happened he was between a rock and a hard place - he could no longer implement his strategy.
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Post#958 » by montestewart » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:06 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:I know it scares the little boys and girls and makes them pee their pants. but sometimes the only way to avoid a fight with crazy it to be crazier. They gotta believe your nutz enough to follow through on your threats.

Thanks STD, a lot of insight there about Trump and, um, some other people. Takes a big man to share things like that.

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Post#959 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:16 pm

CobraCommander wrote:The divide between the right and left is so wide right now that some logical people are adopting these illogical views because their most important view is on one of the sides. For example, there are people that are anti-abortion that are pro gun just because the right has made that one of their causes. When you have people carrying banners for sides that have a million causes that promote the division—you won’t be able to win reasonable debates even when you have facts on your side. In other words... my man is lost in the echo chamber... tied to the matrix... essentially traded his reasonable mind for a party... sad

Interesting anecdote (I think :)) - I was at a poker game last night (super high stakes, penny, nickel, dime) and this being Texas and being new I had to ask who they voted for and why.

One interesting comment was from a staunch R that didn't vote. Basically, he couldn't swallow Trump - even though he is anti-abortion, pro-gun. Another R was beating him up that not voting was voting for Clinton. Quite fascinating.

Also interesting - all of the Rs at the table liked the idea of insurance, extensive background checks and taxes on guns. But they all felt that if the Ds implemented it - it would be bad :banghead: - speaking of division.
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Post#960 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:40 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:I know it scares the little boys and girls and makes them pee their pants. but sometimes the only way to avoid a fight with crazy it to be crazier. They gotta believe your nutz enough to follow through on your threats.

Thanks STD, a lot of insight there about Trump and, um, some other people. Takes a big man to share things like that.

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I truly can not figure out:

1. If you guys just hate every single particular strategy trump employs.
2. or just Hate trump so much that no matter what he does, even if genius, you guys will find a way to hate it.
3. or this is all just part of resist resist resist because your guy(gal) lost.
4. or that you like the strategy, might even think trump is funny, but find it entertaining in an anarchist, blow it all kind of way to just point out every single thing that is wrong with trump just to ensue chaos and to be disruptive.
5. or enjoy further dividing the country (like 4 above, all part of a scorched earth philosophy).


Basically what i'm saying is that you guys are the biggest reason politics is going scorched earth.

An outsider ran. and won. This is suppose to be a good thing. This is the only path to cleaning up washington. this is the only path sustainable government. this is the path to doing things differently. Outsiders are the only path.

Everyone else has just come into that office and ran up massive deficits while massive conflicts and civil war and oppressive regimes have existed all over the world. What did Bush solve? Clinton? Obama? At least Reagan may have had a small "victory" over "communism" until it could be further understood. What has their diplomacy solved??? What has their conflicts solved???

All we have heard is Russia russia russia...bolton is a russia hawk. how is this not a good thing?
like i said, its a full rebuild.

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