Motor Keeps Going: The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread III

[Joest2003]

I'm wish washy on moving him because the stats back up that we tend to play well when he is on the floor,

What's stats are you looking at? Because my eyes are telling me we are horrible when he's on the floor. Our record the past 6 years will back up

[catch20two]

I'm wish washy on moving him because the stats back up that we tend to play well when he is on the floor,

What's stats are you looking at? Because my eyes are telling me we are horrible when he's on the floor. Our record the past 6 years will back up

The advanced stats like team net ratings. Despite his lack of offensive potency to the naked eye we tend to play better with him on the floor and it’s been like that for years.

http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/onoffcourt-advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

[catch20two]

MKG as a wing player not adding a 3pt shot to his repertoire after 6 seasons has to be one of the most baffling things in basketball I’ve witnessed in terms of player development.

Dwight attempted and made more 3s than MKG this year lol smh.

[316Hornets]

MKG as a wing player not adding a 3pt shot to his repertoire after 6 seasons has to be one of the most baffling things in basketball I’ve witnessed in terms of player development.

Dwight attempted and made more 3s than MKG this year lol smh.

I think if MKG was just entering the draft this year with same skillset he had in college, he'd be a late 1st rounder. It's baffling that he doesn't even attempt some 3s. I guess he perfected his mid range jumper and the team doesn't want to mess with the only thing going for him.

[catch20two]

MKG as a wing player not adding a 3pt shot to his repertoire after 6 seasons has to be one of the most baffling things in basketball I’ve witnessed in terms of player development.

Dwight attempted and made more 3s than MKG this year lol smh.

I think if MKG was just entering the draft this year with same skillset he had in college, he'd be a late 1st rounder. It's baffling that he doesn't even attempt some 3s. I guess he perfected his mid range jumper and the team doesn't want to mess with the only thing going for him.

He actually attempted 3s in college. He was shooting 1.3 attempts per game.

[Braggins]

MKG as a wing player not adding a 3pt shot to his repertoire after 6 seasons has to be one of the most baffling things in basketball I’ve witnessed in terms of player development.

Dwight attempted and made more 3s than MKG this year lol smh.

I think if MKG was just entering the draft this year with same skillset he had in college, he'd be a late 1st rounder. It's baffling that he doesn't even attempt some 3s. I guess he perfected his mid range jumper and the team doesn't want to mess with the only thing going for him.

He actually attempted 3s in college. He was shooting 1.3 attempts per game.

His shot was his biggest weakness in college, but it didn't project to be the disaster that it turned out to be.

Here is his form at Kentucky



Here is his form in his sophomore NBA season

[yosemiteben]

I'm wish washy on moving him because the stats back up that we tend to play well when he is on the floor,

What's stats are you looking at? Because my eyes are telling me we are horrible when he's on the floor. Our record the past 6 years will back up

The advanced stats like team net ratings. Despite his lack of offensive potency to the naked eye we tend to play better with him on the floor and it’s been like that for years.

http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/onoffcourt-advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

Yeah, pretty much that.

It's a bit of a case of the eye test not matching the stats, leaving me unsure which to rely on.

I think I just am starting to feel like building a team of players with narrow skillsets that don't involve perimeter shooting is like building a house of cards. It's not going to end well.

[MasterIchiro]

Certainly teams are being stacked with perimeter players with diverse skillsets. We have 3 dead ends on offense of 5 starters plus one pussy.

[MasterIchiro]

Lamb + MKG is currently our best wing pairing. Why wouldn't we just get rid of Dwight and possibly Marv (or move him to the bench) and move Batum to the bench?

I'm pretty sure your answer is in my post you replied to. I operate under the assumption that Batum is the constant in MKG - Batum - Lamb. I can't see it any other way unless I attempt some really painful contortion from mental gymnastics at the Olympic level. I don't live in a world where Batum is pushed into a reduced role. MKG is traded long before that happens. The other constant is Lamb needs expanded minutes, as does Monk. The Batum brick is not budging no matter how much you want to dislodge it. Do you suppose just because your net worth were say one billion dollars you would not try to do everything you can to maximize a return on your investment of say 120 million? At least Cho is gone so that craptastic mistake won't repeat anytime soon. It also won't change because we're capped out and couldn't move Dwight and Marvin (along with MKG and Batum).

[MasterIchiro]

I just remembered that jerk from another team dog piled on me to join other posters here who insisted they'd rather have MKG over Bradley Beal. I'm still pissed about stuff like that and the Kemba stuff. I know. I know. I should let it go.

[MasterIchiro]

The 2 things I desperately wanted for this franchise were 1) Fire Cho 2) trade MKG. It took them too long to figure out the first one, and they still haven't figured out the second. We currently have MKG with Batum and the question is would Lamb with Batum be better because you MUST assume Batum is a constant ie NOT going anywhere including the bench so... Get that denial out of your heads.

Perhaps by some miracle we could use MKG plus our pick to move up into the “can’t miss” draft pool. Doubtful any team sees enough value there to do that, but stranger things have happened.

I would think MKG + pick 12 (oh it's coming) would net us a player not a higher pick. I'm not sure the level of player.

[erudite23]

Hi guys, Jazz fan here. I come in peace.

I was just reading Lowe's 10 Things column today in which he talks about MKG and his relative lack of development offensively. I see that he's signed for another two years at 13m per with a PO for the last year. That's quite a bit of money to have invested in a non-entity offensively unless they are an absolutely killer on D. Obviously that was the expectation we all had for him coming out, but it doesn't look like he has quite reached that level.

So here's what I'm wondering: how close are y'all to giving up on him? Is he considered deadweight or are you still holding out hope he can become at least a starting caliber player? Would he benefit from a fresh start somewhere else, do you think?

The Jazz have shown the ability to develop players that have had trouble in other environments and I'm just thinking if he's available for a low enough cost, he might be someone we would consider taking on in the hopes that we can succeed where others have failed. We have Alec Burks, who could be a decent enough 3rd wing on a different team that values isolation a little more than we do and he's on the books for 11.5m for one more season. Perhaps a swap of the two with a 2nd rounder thrown in might be enough?

Just wondering. If you guys still believe in him, no need to take this as an affront. Would love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

[HornetJail]

He's absolutely not a throw-away piece. Our coach underutilizes about 75% of our roster, but none worse than MKG. We really aren't going to know what MKG is truly capable of till Clifford is canned. But even in MKG's current state, he is far from a dump-able piece- he has been a staple as a defensive stud, and he's shown value as a rebounder, while being able to score on cuts and mid-range shots. Offensively, he is best suited for the 4, defensively more suited for the wings but capable of guarding most of today's small-ball 4s.

If Andre Roberson holds value to the Thunder, then MKG holds that same value to us.

I definitely want to see what he does for a new coach before we decide to move on from him, because I know he will blow up if we trade him.

[arthy704]

At one point mkg was the key player that anchor our defense and gives us hustle plays and unstoppable transition buckets but always had a freak injury which cause the team to lose soo many games. I think mkg is learning to idle his high motor better and just learning to stay injury free for this year. Hopefully next year we will see him making open 3s to open up his slashing game.

[SWedd523]

So we’re starting the “hopefully next year MKG can” game again. YES!

He is what he is

[yosemiteben]

At this point it's psychological for him. He attempted a total of two 3s this season. Has nothing to do with what he can and can't do, if he's not willing to even attempt 3s, that's on him.

[geraldwallace]

In 2015-16 season when he came back from his shoulder injury he was actually shooting three pointers. He shot 3/7 for 42% in 7 games. not alot but clearly he seemed to have some range then before re-injuring his shoulder.

[MasterIchiro]

So we’re starting the “hopefully next year MKG can” game again. YES!

He is what he is

The human brain is a very stubborn thing.

[yosemiteben]

In 2015-16 season when he came back from his shoulder injury he was actually shooting three pointers. He shot 3/7 for 42% in 7 games. not alot but clearly he seemed to have some range then before re-injuring his shoulder.

That was two seasons ago though. How is it possible that two calendar years later he's still not attempting threes?

That is the biggest MKG mystery for me.

[Joest2003]

Love MKG, seems like a really good humble dude but it's time to move on. In today's NBA he is about as useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle. If you can't shoot the 3 your just destroying spacing and the whole game plan. You think he would even touch the floor playing for a team like warriors or rockets? That jumpshot is literally the worst in the NBA AND possibly international play as well.

Just imagine if he could shoot 3s. He would literally be Kawhi Leonard or Jimmy Butler and we would immediately be in contention for the eastern finals every year.