3/23 - 7PM CST | G73: Miami Heat at Oklahoma City Thunder

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Re: 3/23 - 7PM CST | G73: Miami Heat at Oklahoma City Thunder 

Post#21 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:30 am

Man I love adams
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Post#22 » by Thundershock88 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:43 am

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Post#23 » by RalphSampsonJr » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:50 am

Grants ability to finish at the rim has improved alot the 2nd half of the season
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Re: 3/23 - 7PM CST | G73: Miami Heat at Oklahoma City Thunder 

Post#24 » by Thundershock88 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:03 am

Frustrating first half. Just can't pull away. I can feel the impending loss building.
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Post#25 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:36 am

Adams feels like the only player who brings any kind of consistency each game.
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Post#26 » by Thundershock88 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:43 am

So tired of being outcoached
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Post#27 » by NaturalThunder » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:48 am

Knrstz wrote:Adams feels like the only player who brings any kind of consistency each game.

I was just thinking the same thing. I just checked the boxscore for the first time after I saw the 3rd quarter had ended and saw that PG and Carmelo were a combined 4/16 from the floor and 0/6 from three for a 15 combined points. I feel like way too often this year I check a Thunder boxscore sometime in the second half, or after the game is over, and two of Russ, PG, and Melo are shooting a combined 25%-33% from the floor.
Said in a thread about which point guards would make OKC better if they replaced Westbrook:
Coxy wrote:I think with a PG like George Hill, they'd be better than current.
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Post#28 » by NaturalThunder » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:50 am

Oh, and the Heat closed the quarter on a 10-3 run after took another five point lead. Looking at the PbP, it looks like every time in the third quarter we got up by 5-6 points, the Heat went on a little mini-run to pull even or take the lead.
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Post#29 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:53 am

Brian Davis said the team outside of Adams is shooting 28%.
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Post#30 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:11 am

Oladipo has been struggling since the allstar break. I think George is making sure he keeps pace with him.
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Post#31 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:19 am

If there is more than one option for player of the game in the post game thread, I’ll be disappointed.
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Post#32 » by NaturalThunder » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:21 am

Three possession lead with 38 seconds to go...

What could possibly go wrong?
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Post#34 » by spearsy23 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:55 pm

NaturalThunder wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Adams feels like the only player who brings any kind of consistency each game.

I was just thinking the same thing. I just checked the boxscore for the first time after I saw the 3rd quarter had ended and saw that PG and Carmelo were a combined 4/16 from the floor and 0/6 from three for a 15 combined points. I feel like way too often this year I check a Thunder boxscore sometime in the second half, or after the game is over, and two of Russ, PG, and Melo are shooting a combined 25%-33% from the floor.


You guys are insane, Adams has plenty of 3/8 with 6 points and 5 rebounds games. We just all ignore them.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#35 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:12 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Adams feels like the only player who brings any kind of consistency each game.

I was just thinking the same thing. I just checked the boxscore for the first time after I saw the 3rd quarter had ended and saw that PG and Carmelo were a combined 4/16 from the floor and 0/6 from three for a 15 combined points. I feel like way too often this year I check a Thunder boxscore sometime in the second half, or after the game is over, and two of Russ, PG, and Melo are shooting a combined 25%-33% from the floor.


You guys are insane, Adams has plenty of 3/8 with 6 points and 5 rebounds games. We just all ignore them.


When he does have an off game, he normally doesn’t miss 15 shots. No one is saying he’s perfect, but he’s been very consistent for us. Also, he’s not making russ bail him out on defense for lack of effort.
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Post#36 » by spearsy23 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:17 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:I was just thinking the same thing. I just checked the boxscore for the first time after I saw the 3rd quarter had ended and saw that PG and Carmelo were a combined 4/16 from the floor and 0/6 from three for a 15 combined points. I feel like way too often this year I check a Thunder boxscore sometime in the second half, or after the game is over, and two of Russ, PG, and Melo are shooting a combined 25%-33% from the floor.


You guys are insane, Adams has plenty of 3/8 with 6 points and 5 rebounds games. We just all ignore them.


When he does have an off game, he normally doesn’t miss 15 shots. No one is saying he’s perfect, but he’s been very consistent for us. Also, he’s not making russ bail him out on defense for lack of effort.

That's because the only way he's getting shots is when they're spoon fed to him or he gets putbacks. He's 'consistent' in that Russ gets him easy looks.

And as has been pointed out, since switching schemes Russ suddenly doesn't look so lazy on defense because we aren't asking them to make those stupid switches.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#37 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:23 pm

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Knrstz wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
You guys are insane, Adams has plenty of 3/8 with 6 points and 5 rebounds games. We just all ignore them.


When he does have an off game, he normally doesn’t miss 15 shots. No one is saying he’s perfect, but he’s been very consistent for us. Also, he’s not making russ bail him out on defense for lack of effort.

That's because the only way he's getting shots is when they're spoon fed to him or he gets putbacks. He's 'consistent' in that Russ gets him easy looks.

And as has been pointed out, since switching schemes Russ suddenly doesn't look so lazy on defense because we aren't asking them to make those stupid switches.


You’re correct that russ is responsible for a lot of his points but that works both ways. If that’s the case is it really fair to blame him if he only scores 8 points? Adams has been very consistent. That’s all I’m really saying.
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Post#38 » by spearsy23 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:26 pm

Knrstz wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
When he does have an off game, he normally doesn’t miss 15 shots. No one is saying he’s perfect, but he’s been very consistent for us. Also, he’s not making russ bail him out on defense for lack of effort.

That's because the only way he's getting shots is when they're spoon fed to him or he gets putbacks. He's 'consistent' in that Russ gets him easy looks.

And as has been pointed out, since switching schemes Russ suddenly doesn't look so lazy on defense because we aren't asking them to make those stupid switches.


You’re correct that russ is responsible for a lot of his points but that works both ways. If that’s the case is it really fair to blame him if he only scores 8 points. Adams has been very consistent. That’s all I’m really saying.

I just don't agree with it. He went through another horrible stretch back in January and despite his recent play he often disappears offensively for weeks at a time. Defensively he's very overrated here, although I believe that's partially due to the same moronic schemes that have him covering for everyone. If he was allowed to play near the basket occasionally he'd have a bigger impact and we'd stop allowing such a large percentage of shots at the rim.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#39 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:34 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:That's because the only way he's getting shots is when they're spoon fed to him or he gets putbacks. He's 'consistent' in that Russ gets him easy looks.

And as has been pointed out, since switching schemes Russ suddenly doesn't look so lazy on defense because we aren't asking them to make those stupid switches.


You’re correct that russ is responsible for a lot of his points but that works both ways. If that’s the case is it really fair to blame him if he only scores 8 points. Adams has been very consistent. That’s all I’m really saying.

I just don't agree with it. He went through another horrible stretch back in January and despite his recent play he often disappears offensively for weeks at a time. Defensively he's very overrated here, although I believe that's partially due to the same moronic schemes that have him covering for everyone. If he was allowed to play near the basket occasionally he'd have a bigger impact and we'd stop allowing such a large percentage of shots at the rim.

What stretch in January was he horrible? I think we overpaid him but i also think he deserves a lot of credit for finishing the shots russ is giving him. It’s not like Dakari or any other center does exactly what he does.
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Re: 3/23 - 7PM CST | G73: Miami Heat at Oklahoma City Thunder 

Post#40 » by Pillendreher » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:07 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Adams feels like the only player who brings any kind of consistency each game.

I was just thinking the same thing. I just checked the boxscore for the first time after I saw the 3rd quarter had ended and saw that PG and Carmelo were a combined 4/16 from the floor and 0/6 from three for a 15 combined points. I feel like way too often this year I check a Thunder boxscore sometime in the second half, or after the game is over, and two of Russ, PG, and Melo are shooting a combined 25%-33% from the floor.


You guys are insane, Adams has plenty of 3/8 with 6 points and 5 rebounds games. We just all ignore them.


Eh, no, he does not. This season, he had a total of 4 games with single digit scoring and 5 rebounds or less. That's 4 out of 68. Meanwhile he has had 40 double digit scoring + at least 8 rebound games this season. And in just 5 of those he missed more shots than he made.

spearsy23 wrote:That's because the only way he's getting shots is when they're spoon fed to him or he gets putbacks. He's 'consistent' in that Russ gets him easy looks.


That's not true either.

As of Tuesday:

There are 27 guys in the league (at least 60 mp on at least 25 mpg) who get 60 % or more of their points in the paint. Out of those 27 guys, only one guy has a higher percentage of his 2FGM assisted than Capela: John Henson. 81.2 % of Capela's baskets have been assisted this season.

Kanter: 49.6 %
Drummond: 52.4 %
Howard: 56.8 %
Jordan: 67.5 %
Adams: 69.5 %
Capela: 81.2 %


As of Sunday:

Among the 39 guys with at least 300 paint touches this season, Adams is 4th in pts per touch. And the only guys ahead of him are Whiteside, Aldridge and Davis - two of those three are also shooting 3s which drives up their pts. He's also 4th in pts per elbow touch and 4th in pts per post touch (just 27th in pts per paint touch, but I'll take the 4th overall any day of the week).


As of today, he's also in the 90th percentile in post ups (10 % Freq.). Him being able to score on guys outside of spoonfed baskets is what lead to a huge improvement offensively this season. And furthermore, not every single pass to him is great. He has greatly improved hands and finishes passes most Centers would have fumbled. George likes to get him the ball in the most difficult way possible and Russ isn't shy with just throwing it to him either.

He is doing a very good job at creating 2nd chance points and scoring efficiently on low usage. As the season went on, he has steadily given this team 14/9 at ~64 TS% on ~17 USG%.

Btw: In January, he was averaging 15/10 on 63 TS%/128 ORtG/23 PER. I will concede however that his defense immediately after Robes went down wasn't good.
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