The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[michaelm]

This thread is **** obnoxious

Who the hell cares who is ROTY anyway?. What matters is who helps their team best going forwards.

I am happy to take Simmons myself, but any team in the NBA would be happy to have Mitchell on his current rookie contract.

[LordCovington33]

This thread is **** obnoxious

Who the helll cares who is The ROTY anyway.

What matters is who helps their team best going forwards ?.

I am happy to take Simmons myself, but any team n the NBA would be happy to have Mitchell on his current rookie contract.

Perfect example is MCW. Okafor was also first team. Means little in the scheme of things.

I think Mitchell is a fine talent and many teams will regret passing up on him. Just feel he is taking too many shots. They have other option, including my boy Ingles. He will be an All Star one day. I am happy Utah got him, after Hayward's dragged-out "decision" hurt them in free agency. Plus, I have a soft spot for Ingles and Exum. Somebody mentioned Philly fans being weird, but I have seen loads of posts from Utah fans on Simmons posts. Both fanbases are happy with their acquisition. At the end of the day, missing out on the ROY award will not hold either player back.

[Kolkmania]

In a funny way I think Simmons' ridiculous efficiency and IQ count against him. He is already so good at controlling the tempo of a game and making smart basketball plays that you almost don't notice him, as nothing is forced and everything comes within the flow. You almost can't double/trap him either because he sees things like that so early, and is surrounded by good shooters.

Against the Magic he only took six shots, yet his fingerprints were all over that game.

He actually shot just four times, making three of them. He obviously doesn't care if he scores or someone else does as long as it results in the best shot percentage wise.

For all the Mitchell fans, I don't actually think that the "Simmons stans" dislike Mitchell. Nearly every poster mentions how impressive Mitchell has been this year. However this is the ROTY discussion and what people wonder is if Mitchell's volume scoring outweighs the other aspects of the game like creating shots for others, defense, rebounding, etc.

I think that is what the discussion should be instead of these childish and obnoxious back-and-forths.

[Kolkmania]

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

You're acting like everybody is biased and tries to downplay Mitchell, but you're kind of setting a wrong narrative by egregiously rounding up Mitchell's numbers.

21.9 PG on 54 TS%, with 4 rebounds, 3.9 assists and 1.6 steals are the real per 36 numbers. Basically upgrading his rebounds, assists and steals by a factor 1.25. But I bet you don't have a personal agenda on this topic though.

[Jazz_Man_86]

the fact that mitchell draws so much hate cause of this ben simmons scares me. Give phili fans something to cheer about. So mich tankin and losing.They deserved it. Jazz will be better. Donovan is mega alpha dog. Lets thank dennis and move on

[SmartWentCrazy]

Mitchell is putting up big scoring games however the fact remains that as a rookie he is an extremely inefficient high volume shooter. Will this be acceptable in year 2 if he continues chucking up so many shots at such poor percentages?

The only fact here is your profinity for making stuff up. Mitchell has a TS% of 54, which is about league average for a shootkng guard. Thats a tremendous feat for a rookie with a high-volume work load.

[michaelm]

the fact that mitchell draws so much hate cause of this ben simmons scares me. Give phili fans something to cheer about. So mich tankin and losing.They deserved it. Jazz will be better. Donovan is mega alpha dog. Lets thank dennis and move on

Any team in the NBA would be happy to have either player on a rookie contract obviously.

Otherwise you are in more doubtful territory imo. I am not even a Sixers fan, but I don’t believe Utah will prove to be the better team this year, and nor are they very likely to be next year either.

[SmartWentCrazy]

In a funny way I think Simmons' ridiculous efficiency and IQ count against him. He is already so good at controlling the tempo of a game and making smart basketball plays that you almost don't notice him, as nothing is forced and everything comes within the flow. You almost can't double/trap him either because he sees things like that so early, and is surrounded by good shooters.

Against the Magic he only took six shots, yet his fingerprints were all over that game.

I agree with your overall point, but just wanted to point out that Simmons is not ridiculously efficient— in fact, hes league average. However, for a rookie, thats a trememdous feat.

[Black Mage]

I think you missed the point big fella. The Simmons highlight clips were posted because they were against the Jazz.

Well, I looked for Simmons 40 point game against the Jazz, but I couldn't find it. I thought maybe I'd just use one of his other 40 point games, but I couldn't find them either.

His tumbleweed video was nice though, don't ya think?

Seriously though, Mitchell just had a 35 point game, and some Einstein decides to post Simmon's highlights from months ago. If Ben is so great, why do we have to go back that far to post highlights? Seems like there should be something more current. Or, now here's an idea, just recognize that Mitchell scored 35 points and not feel like we need to post something old that tries to compensate for Ben not scoring 35 points. It's crazy, but it just might work.

35 points on 36 shots and you think that is impressive????

As Sixers fans we've seen that movie already, it was called The Chucking Adventures of Allen Iverson. ::SPOLER ALERT::: It doesn't have a happy ending.

[Heej]

Lol Simmons vs Mitchell is literally ruining this thread. Just shut the **** up they're both gonna be all stars. Neither one will win RotY and end up the Tyreke Evans to the other's Steph Curry

[Pharmcat]

the knicks passing on mitchell to draft the next mardy collins will go down as one of the worst nba blunders ever

[BarneyGumble]

We’ve seen Mitchell put the Jazz on his back time and time again. He forced overtime basically by himself last night. He took over and won at NO a few weeks back. He is a closer and a killer. Name me 8 other guys that take over and close games better than Mitchell, rookie or no. I don’t care too much about the ROTY, but if Mitchell doesn’t get it that’s just crazy...

[Goudelock]

So....does anyone want to talk about the quietly productive season that John Collins is having in ATL? He's shooting almost 60% and is grabbing 7 rebounds a game. He looks like a guy who will be on the team for the next decade. For a player that was picked 20th overall, that's about as good as it gets.

[bebopdeluxe]

the fact that mitchell draws so much hate cause of this ben simmons scares me. Give phili fans something to cheer about. So mich tankin and losing.They deserved it. Jazz will be better. Donovan is mega alpha dog. Lets thank dennis and move on

Who the f said it was Mitchell hate? LOL

Just because I think Simmons is better doesn’t mean I both respect and appreciate what Mitchell is doing. Sheesh.

Stop being so tribal. We have enough of that in this country.

[Dundalis]

I think you missed the point big fella. The Simmons highlight clips were posted because they were against the Jazz.

Well, I looked for Simmons 40 point game against the Jazz, but I couldn't find it. I thought maybe I'd just use one of his other 40 point games, but I couldn't find them either.

His tumbleweed video was nice though, don't ya think?

Seriously though, Mitchell just had a 35 point game, and some Einstein decides to post Simmon's highlights from months ago. If Ben is so great, why do we have to go back that far to post highlights? Seems like there should be something more current. Or, now here's an idea, just recognize that Mitchell scored 35 points and not feel like we need to post something old that tries to compensate for Ben not scoring 35 points. It's crazy, but it just might work.

The idea that Simmons could not match Mitchell's scoring average if he was told to jack up the same number of shots is funny to me. If Simmons was told to take 35 shots in a game, he could put up 40. If you take 35 shots it's really not that hard. You really should be putting up a lot more than 40. Unfortunately for trolls he's too smart to even think about doing that, because he's a point guard with a primary focus on making his teammates better, and jacking up 35 shots doesn't accomplish that. For that same reason, there are no great pure point guards in NBA history that jacked up shots game after game. The "point guards" that do that are not really point guards, they're combo scoring guards.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So....does anyone want to talk about the quietly productive season that John Collins is having in ATL? He's shooting almost 60% and is grabbing 7 rebounds a game. He looks like a guy who will be on the team for the next decade. For a player that was picked 20th overall, that's about as good as it gets.

Fantastic athlete too. Very interested to see how Bud and team develop him.

[SmartWentCrazy]

the knicks passing on mitchell to draft the next mardy collins will go down as one of the worst nba blunders ever

Why arent the Knicks playing him 30+ minutes a night? If your gunna draft a guy that high, it makes no sense to not feed him every possible minute in a lost season— I dont really understand what theyre doing, TBH.

[CoreyGallagher]

In a funny way I think Simmons' ridiculous efficiency and IQ count against him. He is already so good at controlling the tempo of a game and making smart basketball plays that you almost don't notice him, as nothing is forced and everything comes within the flow. You almost can't double/trap him either because he sees things like that so early, and is surrounded by good shooters.

Against the Magic he only took six shots, yet his fingerprints were all over that game.

I agree with your overall point, but just wanted to point out that Simmons is not ridiculously efficient— in fact, hes league average. However, for a rookie, thats a trememdous feat.

Assuming he was referring to his overall productivity, efficiency metrics and the such, which his statement then would be true.

[life_saver]

I don't agree when people say Mitchell is just a volume scorer...he is also a pretty decent defender and his passing is also quite decent

[PhilBlackson]

Let's see...has the whining back n forth about who's ROY stopped to talk about some other rookies too?!



Nope, maybe next time.