The Legend of Joel Embiid

[ziggy77]

Embiid is forced to "create" his shot because nobody else wants to do it, passing and passing and passing only works to a certain extent.

Yup. Agree. Embiid is averaging 3.5 assists a game already. Up from last season. U see he does look for guys as evident by his swing passes occasionally cross court to the open shooter for the 3.

Embiid is or already the most dominant low post scorer. So comparing the dominant men of today’s game. KAT asssit rates are lower. Rudy Gobert asssits rates lower. Andre Drummond finally in his 5th season has learned to pass the ball Before he averaged 1.5 to 2.5 assists a game. It took Damarcus cousins fill season 5 to get to 3 assists a game. Before he was a black hole not passing the all.


So as iso heavy as embiid can be. He still shares the ball. And embiid is still learning and growing as a passer. I anticipate when be finally gets it. He may be up to 5 assists a game. He will average 28/13/5/2 very soon.

Well ok, but the dude is third in the league by usage rate https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?category=ADVANCED&group=1 and his ast% is low, just compare it.

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid is forced to "create" his shot because nobody else wants to do it, passing and passing and passing only works to a certain extent.

Yup. Agree. Embiid is averaging 3.5 assists a game already. Up from last season. U see he does look for guys as evident by his swing passes occasionally cross court to the open shooter for the 3.

Embiid is or already the most dominant low post scorer. So comparing the dominant men of today’s game. KAT asssit rates are lower. Rudy Gobert asssits rates lower. Andre Drummond finally in his 5th season has learned to pass the ball Before he averaged 1.5 to 2.5 assists a game. It took Damarcus cousins fill season 5 to get to 3 assists a game. Before he was a black hole not passing the all.


So as iso heavy as embiid can be. He still shares the ball. And embiid is still learning and growing as a passer. I anticipate when be finally gets it. He may be up to 5 assists a game. He will average 28/13/5/2 very soon.

Well ok, but the dude is third in the league by usage rate https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?category=ADVANCED&group=1 and his ast% is low, just compare it.

Because you are comparing him with guards, Demarcus Cousins has been in the league for ages and while he has a bit better assist rate, he also has a higher turnover rate. Anthony Davis? yeah much lower assist ratio. Antetokounmpo is more of a guard like Simmons.

[Sixerscan]

Yup. Agree. Embiid is averaging 3.5 assists a game already. Up from last season. U see he does look for guys as evident by his swing passes occasionally cross court to the open shooter for the 3.

Embiid is or already the most dominant low post scorer. So comparing the dominant men of today’s game. KAT asssit rates are lower. Rudy Gobert asssits rates lower. Andre Drummond finally in his 5th season has learned to pass the ball Before he averaged 1.5 to 2.5 assists a game. It took Damarcus cousins fill season 5 to get to 3 assists a game. Before he was a black hole not passing the all.


So as iso heavy as embiid can be. He still shares the ball. And embiid is still learning and growing as a passer. I anticipate when be finally gets it. He may be up to 5 assists a game. He will average 28/13/5/2 very soon.

Well ok, but the dude is third in the league by usage rate https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?category=ADVANCED&group=1 and his ast% is low, just compare it.

Because you are comparing him with guards, Demarcus Cousins has been in the league for ages and while he has a bit better assist rate, he also has a higher turnover rate. Anthony Davis? yeah much lower assist ratio. Antetokounmpo is more of a guard like Simmons.

Right yeah, gotta account for role in stuff like this.

That driving pass he had to Saric for 3 at the end of the Knicks game was a thing of beauty. He would have committed an offensive foul on that 3 months ago.

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By the way: I read von reddit, that Biid has now more minutes than tweets.

[76ciology]

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Dont fret too much about it. There’s not much to be excited about being a jazz fan. But nevertheless, consider this stat.

Biid also seems to drop off on D recently.

[ivysixer2000]

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Dont fret too much about it. There’s not much to be excited about being a jazz fan. But nevertheless, consider this stat.

Biid also seems to drop off on D recently.

Yeah Gobert only plays D really, and that team is in the playoffs right now.

Gobert deserves that award.

[Sixerscan]

Ironically Embiid may still win it because Gobert missed too many games.

Pretty sure Embiid would be a lot better at defense if he was only shooting the ball 8 times a game and not exerting energy posting up as much as he does.

[ivysixer2000]

Ironically Embiid may still win it because Gobert missed too many games.

Pretty sure Embiid would be a lot better at defense if he was only shooting the ball 8 times a game and not exerting energy posting up as much as he does.

Well who knows how many games are enough, but offensively of course Gobert is basically nothing. There are a alot of guys who have won that award that are the same. Who knows what numbers Jojo would put up if he didn't exert any energy on offense, course I don't think Jojo would ever allow that to happen for us to find out even if we got Bron and George.

[mithrandir17]

Ironically Embiid may still win it because Gobert missed too many games.

Pretty sure Embiid would be a lot better at defense if he was only shooting the ball 8 times a game and not exerting energy posting up as much as he does.

Well who knows how many games are enough, but offensively of course Gobert is basically nothing. There are a alot of guys who have won that award that are the same. Who knows what numbers Jojo would put up if he didn't exert any energy on offense, course I don't think Jojo would ever allow that to happen for us to find out even if we got Bron and George.

If Gobert plays all of the remaining 12 games, he would have played 56 out of 82 games (68% games played). I think this is enough for him to win the award specially if the Jazz makes the playoffs.

[Bum Adebayo]

Gobert is better than Embiid on defense, why do we have to start with the energy excuses is beyond me. Gobert is the better defender, Embiid is the better player, there is no need to make our players look better than they are.
Embiid needs to be in better shape if he wants to reach that level on D.

[ivysixer2000]

Gobert is better than Embiid on defense, why do we have to start with the energy excuses is beyond me. Gobert is the better defender, Embiid is the better player, there is no need to make our players look better than they are.
Embiid needs to be in better shape if he wants to reach that level on D.

Well Gobert just has alot less responsibilities on offense really.

Main thing that is ignored about Joel on D, and even a sin.....is his vanity. Sure he has parts of his game that needs improvement, but from a mental standpoint he is easily embarrassed if someone does take him and make him look bad. We saw it in the last game, he will foul and foul hard, and it could be a flagrant.

Ben was exposed with the FT shooting earlier in the year, the Nets did try to take advantage of Jojo's emotions on the court. In a playoff series, it is even more of a concern cause we can't have him ejected over something silly like someone took him off the dribble so he was upset and fouled them too hard. He has to be better than that defensively.

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Which is why I hate the label of an "injury prone" player. Anyone can get hurt at any time.

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Looking at the remaining schedule, I am guessing Embiid sits at home against the Nets, and on the road in Atlanta.

[76ciology]

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Which is why I hate the label of an "injury prone" player. Anyone can get hurt at any time.

..and its also important that teams be responsible and not be impatient to let guys play. Yao's career would have been much longer if teams (including national) let him rest

[Ericb5]

My feeling from the beginning of last season was that Embiid needed to get through a second season without any stress fractures to get out from under the injury cloud, and (knocks on wood) he is about to do that.

When national media types talk about the Sixers they still use the qualifier of “if Embiid can stay healthy” when talking about our future, or chances to sign Lebron.

If he finishes this season healthy then that narrative should be put to bed this summer.

He has done a great job of controlling his body better this year, and the much maligned Sixers medical staff has done a great job keeping his body ready. Next year it would be nice for them to completely take the gloves off and let him practice regularly with the team as a full participant.

If he does that I expect another statistical jump in his efficiency. Fouls and turnovers will go down, and scoring efficiency will go up. He is still just getting started in terms of his potential, and he can be an mvp candidate as early as next season.



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[Sixerscan]

My feeling from the beginning of last season was that Embiid needed to get through a second season without any stress fractures to get out from under the injury cloud, and (knocks on wood) he is about to do that.

When national media types talk about the Sixers they still use the qualifier of “if Embiid can stay healthy” when talking about our future, or chances to sign Lebron.

If he finishes this season healthy then that narrative should be put to bed this summer.

He has done a great job of controlling his body better this year, and the much maligned Sixers medical staff has done a great job keeping his body ready. Next year it would be nice for them to completely take the gloves off and let him practice regularly with the team as a full participant.

If he does that I expect another statistical jump in his efficiency. Fouls and turnovers will go down, and scoring efficiency will go up. He is still just getting started in terms of his potential, and he can be an mvp candidate as early as next season.



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I think it'll flip in large part if he finishes the year healthy. Then return if he ever gets seriously hurt again.

I do think part of it is that most people, even non Sixers, are really rooting for him to have a full career and don't want to jinx it. I know I don't want to.

[tk76]

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Dont fret too much about it. There’s not much to be excited about being a jazz fan. But nevertheless, consider this stat.

Biid also seems to drop off on D recently.

Yeah Gobert only plays D really, and that team is in the playoffs right now.

Gobert deserves that award.

Absolutely agree that Gobert is the DPOY. Ironically, all of the silly Mitchell/Simmons ROY banter helps shine a light on how impactful Gobert has been in helping a horrid offensive team win games.

I don't have the exact numbers, but the Jazz have an insanely good defensive rating when Gobert is on the floor.

[Ericb5]

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Dont fret too much about it. There’s not much to be excited about being a jazz fan. But nevertheless, consider this stat.

Biid also seems to drop off on D recently.

Yeah Gobert only plays D really, and that team is in the playoffs right now.

Gobert deserves that award.

Absolutely agree that Gobert is the DPOY. Ironically, all of the silly Mitchell/Simmons ROY banter helps shine a light on how impactful Gobert has been in helping a horrid offensive team win games.

I don't have the exact numbers, but the Jazz have an insanely good defensive rating when Gobert is on the floor.

There is no doubt about it that Gobert is currently a better defensive player than Embiid. He is the only center in the league that is better though, and it may not be true in a couple of years.


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[spikeslovechild]

He's been banging more in the post recently when facing smaller defenders not sure why it took this long for BB or Embiid to figure that out but glad they did.

Gibson types should be destroyed in the post everytime they get put on Embiid