Potential sleepers

[Stillwater]

FSU Koumadje has elite size wouldn't be surprised if he gets looks late 2nd.still a project though.
If Ike Obiagu declares he's a 2nd round lock imo
Elite shot blocker.

[Patrick1978]

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[Stillwater]

^ Daum is an interesting player mostly the slowness defensively is his only downfall as far as making an impact , doubt he's drafted

[Ruzious]

Williams is a top 5 athlete in this draft and the 7'6" ws despite being 6'9" makes him more than just another t-robb for sure. Any team missing out on the more versatile 2way bigs early will definitely take a look as a center in the modern NBA despite having very little offense outside of 5 feet.
I figure he ends up on clippers

He's probably the best athlete - assuming strength is part of athleticism - and he combines it with great length. I was disappointed that he didn't show more offensive improvement, but his potential is so good that he should not go past 15.

[Stillwater]

Jon Elmore was impressive in Marshall win over the Shockers & remains an extremely underrated pg.

[doordoor123]

I just want to mention this — players that tend to steal from the lane rather than poking the ball out for a steal or creating deflection steals are not good defenders. They make huge gambles on defense that can often cost their team, especially in the NBA. When evaluating defenders pay attention to how these guys are getting their steals. It’s one of the reasons I’m not high on Matisse Thybulle. They play zone and most of his steals are from the lane.

[azcatz11]

Jaylen Brunson will have a better NBA career than Trae Young

[Stillwater]

Jaylen Brunson will have a better NBA career than Trae Young

That's pretty bold, I assume you don't think too highly of young, as brunson is a back up at best

[doordoor123]

Jaylen Brunson will have a better NBA career than Trae Young

That's pretty bold, I assume you don't think too highly of young, as brunson is a back up at best

I don’t think it’s that bold. Brunson has a better body and has better awareness. Young is the better passer, has a better change of pace. Both are good three point shooters, but Young has more range. The big thing is that Young is 4 years younger. When he’s Brunson’s age he’s likely to be better. But Young also has a terrible body and doesn’t really defend. I could see Brunson as a starter, but not top of the line. And Young could end up coming off the bench. At the same time Young could also be a superstar and Brunson could be an average back up.
Both can go up and down based on where they go, who coaches them and who trusts them. Both can translate though. Brunson has grown on me, he has great quick decision making. I just don’t see how he fits in the modern NBA as a starting point guard other than his three point shot and passing. In the end I think Young is a starter depending on the team (but he’s likely to go high to a team that will put him in the spotlight) and Brunson is a high-end back up. Eventually if Young has the same issues he might also end up being a back up, but he’ll have more of a shot. From Brunson to have a starting opportunity he’ll need the perfect situation for him, like the Cavaliers with LeBron James, Bucks with Antetokounmpo, Rockets with Harden, 76ers with Simmons or the Jazz could be another good fit with him since they have a pretty slow offense and move the ball. He just doesn’t fit with the trend nowadays with quick attacking point guards or transition point guards.

[Stillwater]

Jaylen Brunson will have a better NBA career than Trae Young

That's pretty bold, I assume you don't think too highly of young, as brunson is a back up at best

I don’t think it’s that bold. Brunson has a better body and has better awareness. Young is the better passer, has a better change of pace. Both are good three point shooters, but Young has more range. The big thing is that Young is 4 years younger. When he’s Brunson’s age he’s likely to be better. But Young also has a terrible body and doesn’t really defend. I could see Brunson as a starter, but not top of the line. And Young could end up coming off the bench. At the same time Young could also be a superstar and Brunson could be an average back up.
Both can go up and down based on where they go, who coaches them and who trusts them. Both can translate though. Brunson has grown on me, he has great quick decision making. I just don’t see how he fits in the modern NBA as a starting point guard other than his three point shot and passing. In the end I think Young is a starter depending on the team (but he’s likely to go high to a team that will put him in the spotlight) and Brunson is a high-end back up. Eventually if Young has the same issues he might also end up being a back up, but he’ll have more of a shot. From Brunson to have a starting opportunity he’ll need the perfect situation for him, like the Cavaliers with LeBron James, Bucks with Antetokounmpo, Rockets with Harden, 76ers with Simmons or the Jazz could be another good fit with him since they have a pretty slow offense and move the ball. He just doesn’t fit with the trend nowadays with quick attacking point guards or transition point guards.

So what you're saying is you have no confidence in Young... So therefore you're overvaluing Brunson. Ok gotcha.

[doordoor123]

That's pretty bold, I assume you don't think too highly of young, as brunson is a back up at best

I don’t think it’s that bold. Brunson has a better body and has better awareness. Young is the better passer, has a better change of pace. Both are good three point shooters, but Young has more range. The big thing is that Young is 4 years younger. When he’s Brunson’s age he’s likely to be better. But Young also has a terrible body and doesn’t really defend. I could see Brunson as a starter, but not top of the line. And Young could end up coming off the bench. At the same time Young could also be a superstar and Brunson could be an average back up.
Both can go up and down based on where they go, who coaches them and who trusts them. Both can translate though. Brunson has grown on me, he has great quick decision making. I just don’t see how he fits in the modern NBA as a starting point guard other than his three point shot and passing. In the end I think Young is a starter depending on the team (but he’s likely to go high to a team that will put him in the spotlight) and Brunson is a high-end back up. Eventually if Young has the same issues he might also end up being a back up, but he’ll have more of a shot. From Brunson to have a starting opportunity he’ll need the perfect situation for him, like the Cavaliers with LeBron James, Bucks with Antetokounmpo, Rockets with Harden, 76ers with Simmons or the Jazz could be another good fit with him since they have a pretty slow offense and move the ball. He just doesn’t fit with the trend nowadays with quick attacking point guards or transition point guards.

So what you're saying is you have no confidence in Young... So therefore you're overvaluing Brunson. Ok gotcha.

You’re saying I have words I didn’t say? Gotcha. I have confidence in Young, but there’s a scenario that is clear as day where he doesn’t become a star. And clearly you didn’t read my entire post before responding because I said at the end that it’s more likely both are overvalued. And AS I SAID, Young is almost 4 years younger.

[Stillwater]

I don’t think it’s that bold. Brunson has a better body and has better awareness. Young is the better passer, has a better change of pace. Both are good three point shooters, but Young has more range. The big thing is that Young is 4 years younger. When he’s Brunson’s age he’s likely to be better. But Young also has a terrible body and doesn’t really defend. I could see Brunson as a starter, but not top of the line. And Young could end up coming off the bench. At the same time Young could also be a superstar and Brunson could be an average back up.
Both can go up and down based on where they go, who coaches them and who trusts them. Both can translate though. Brunson has grown on me, he has great quick decision making. I just don’t see how he fits in the modern NBA as a starting point guard other than his three point shot and passing. In the end I think Young is a starter depending on the team (but he’s likely to go high to a team that will put him in the spotlight) and Brunson is a high-end back up. Eventually if Young has the same issues he might also end up being a back up, but he’ll have more of a shot. From Brunson to have a starting opportunity he’ll need the perfect situation for him, like the Cavaliers with LeBron James, Bucks with Antetokounmpo, Rockets with Harden, 76ers with Simmons or the Jazz could be another good fit with him since they have a pretty slow offense and move the ball. He just doesn’t fit with the trend nowadays with quick attacking point guards or transition point guards.

So what you're saying is you have no confidence in Young... So therefore you're overvaluing Brunson. Ok gotcha.

You’re saying I have words I didn’t say? Gotcha. I have confidence in Young, but there’s a scenario that is clear as day where he doesn’t become a star. And clearly you didn’t read my entire post before responding because I said at the end that it’s more likely both are overvalued. And AS I SAID, Young is almost 4 years younger.

I read your long post about this and that possibilities etc.
Look it's pretty simple to figure that someone of Trey Young's shooting ability is far more desirable in the modern NBA than a pg like Brunson who although having some admirable qualities is average at best right now compared to Young and has probably reached his ceiling whereas Young in Young and already better...you do the math.
Could Young bust/ of course will Brunson become an elite 3 point threat/ doubtful

[doordoor123]

So what you're saying is you have no confidence in Young... So therefore you're overvaluing Brunson. Ok gotcha.

You’re saying I have words I didn’t say? Gotcha. I have confidence in Young, but there’s a scenario that is clear as day where he doesn’t become a star. And clearly you didn’t read my entire post before responding because I said at the end that it’s more likely both are overvalued. And AS I SAID, Young is almost 4 years younger.

I read your long post about this and that possibilities etc.
Look it's pretty simple to figure that someone of Trey Young's shooting ability is far more desirable in the modern NBA than a pg like Brunson who although having some admirable qualities is average at best right now compared to Young and has probably reached his ceiling whereas Young in Young and already better...you do the math.
Could Young bust/ of course will Brunson become an elite 3 point threat/ doubtful

You’re contradicting yourself. Young is a good shooter with the ball, but there isn’t much evidence he can shoot threes off ball or without being at the top of the key. And yes, as I said in my original post, he has a deeper range and quicker release. Brunson on the flip-side has advanced dribble moves from three, much like Donovan Mitchell last year. He can spin, step back into
It, pull up, spot up, side-step, fade, etc. Brunson has shown he can make threes from all over and in different ways. Brunson is also one of the most efficient post scorers in college (even more so than most centers) and he’s really efficient passing out of the post. He has versatility and he has strength and a bigger body that Young will never have. He also tries a lot harder than Young on defense and is a better leader. To me Young’s shooting is nice, but it isn’t a reason to take him over other guys since his decision making on shots can be poor and he hasn’t shown much versatility on that end. Young’s greatest attribute is his passing and vision.

[Stillwater]

You’re saying I have words I didn’t say? Gotcha. I have confidence in Young, but there’s a scenario that is clear as day where he doesn’t become a star. And clearly you didn’t read my entire post before responding because I said at the end that it’s more likely both are overvalued. And AS I SAID, Young is almost 4 years younger.

I read your long post about this and that possibilities etc.
Look it's pretty simple to figure that someone of Trey Young's shooting ability is far more desirable in the modern NBA than a pg like Brunson who although having some admirable qualities is average at best right now compared to Young and has probably reached his ceiling whereas Young in Young and already better...you do the math.
Could Young bust/ of course will Brunson become an elite 3 point threat/ doubtful

You’re contradicting yourself. Young is a good shooter with the ball, but there isn’t much evidence he can shoot threes off ball or without being at the top of the key. And yes, as I said in my original post, he has a deeper range and quicker release. Brunson on the flip-side has advanced dribble moves from three, much like Donovan Mitchell last year. He can spin, step back into
It, pull up, spot up, side-step, fade, etc. Brunson has shown he can make threes from all over and in different ways. Brunson is also one of the most efficient post scorers in college (even more so than most centers) and he’s really efficient passing out of the post. He has versatility and he has strength and a bigger body that Young will never have. He also tries a lot harder than Young on defense and is a better leader. To me Young’s shooting is nice, but it isn’t a reason to take him over other guys since his decision making on shots can be poor and he hasn’t shown much versatility on that end. Young’s greatest attribute is his passing and vision.

Contradict this... They both suck physically.
Neither has prototype length or athleticism.
I guess to be fair it would seem a lot of people are overvaluing Young based on riding the wave of one of the most elite shooting runs in NCAA history. I'm not, but definitely don't see Brunson as more than a potential 2nd PG behind a 35min starter. Young creates more spacing with his long range efficiency and so therefore combined with an elite offensive mind despite avg defense is way ahead of Brunson on every board in the world...put Brunsun on Oklahoma and Young on Nova , flip the script now you see it right? Good

[doordoor123]

I read your long post about this and that possibilities etc.
Look it's pretty simple to figure that someone of Trey Young's shooting ability is far more desirable in the modern NBA than a pg like Brunson who although having some admirable qualities is average at best right now compared to Young and has probably reached his ceiling whereas Young in Young and already better...you do the math.
Could Young bust/ of course will Brunson become an elite 3 point threat/ doubtful

You’re contradicting yourself. Young is a good shooter with the ball, but there isn’t much evidence he can shoot threes off ball or without being at the top of the key. And yes, as I said in my original post, he has a deeper range and quicker release. Brunson on the flip-side has advanced dribble moves from three, much like Donovan Mitchell last year. He can spin, step back into
It, pull up, spot up, side-step, fade, etc. Brunson has shown he can make threes from all over and in different ways. Brunson is also one of the most efficient post scorers in college (even more so than most centers) and he’s really efficient passing out of the post. He has versatility and he has strength and a bigger body that Young will never have. He also tries a lot harder than Young on defense and is a better leader. To me Young’s shooting is nice, but it isn’t a reason to take him over other guys since his decision making on shots can be poor and he hasn’t shown much versatility on that end. Young’s greatest attribute is his passing and vision.

Contradict this... They both suck physically.
Neither has prototype length or athleticism.
I guess to be fair it would seem a lot of people are overvaluing Young based on riding the wave of one of the most elite shooting runs in NCAA history. I'm not, but definitely don't see Brunson as more than a potential 2nd PG behind a 35min starter. Young creates more spacing with his long range efficiency and so therefore combined with an elite offensive mind despite avg defense is way ahead of Brunson on every board in the world...put Brunsun on Oklahoma and Young on Nova , flip the script now you see it right? Good

They don’t suck physically. Neither have length, but Young has great change of pace and Brunson is really physical. Young is quicker than he gets credit for, but he has a tiny body. Brunson can slide, Young can’t. Young has a better handle, but Brunson has better awareness. And I never said Brunson wasn’t the player you’re talking about, but he can be effective as a starter in more of a shooting guard role, where he doesn’t need to use his speed and can just create from the top of the key/play off-ball/post up. You should reread my original post. I’m repeating the same thing over and over again from my original post.

[Stillwater]

You’re contradicting yourself. Young is a good shooter with the ball, but there isn’t much evidence he can shoot threes off ball or without being at the top of the key. And yes, as I said in my original post, he has a deeper range and quicker release. Brunson on the flip-side has advanced dribble moves from three, much like Donovan Mitchell last year. He can spin, step back into
It, pull up, spot up, side-step, fade, etc. Brunson has shown he can make threes from all over and in different ways. Brunson is also one of the most efficient post scorers in college (even more so than most centers) and he’s really efficient passing out of the post. He has versatility and he has strength and a bigger body that Young will never have. He also tries a lot harder than Young on defense and is a better leader. To me Young’s shooting is nice, but it isn’t a reason to take him over other guys since his decision making on shots can be poor and he hasn’t shown much versatility on that end. Young’s greatest attribute is his passing and vision.

Contradict this... They both suck physically.
Neither has prototype length or athleticism.
I guess to be fair it would seem a lot of people are overvaluing Young based on riding the wave of one of the most elite shooting runs in NCAA history. I'm not, but definitely don't see Brunson as more than a potential 2nd PG behind a 35min starter. Young creates more spacing with his long range efficiency and so therefore combined with an elite offensive mind despite avg defense is way ahead of Brunson on every board in the world...put Brunsun on Oklahoma and Young on Nova , flip the script now you see it right? Good

They don’t suck physically. Neither have length, but Young has great change of pace and Brunson is really physical. Young is quicker than he gets credit for, but he has a tiny body. Brunson can slide, Young can’t. Young has a better handle, but Brunson has better awareness. And I never said Brunson wasn’t the player you’re talking about, but he can be effective as a starter in more of a shooting guard role, where he doesn’t need to use his speed and can just create from the top of the key/play off-ball/post up. You should reread my original post. I’m repeating the same thing over and over again from my original post.

It's just your opinion...try not to take it personal when someone disagrees with you.
I like Young as a late lottery gamble that he will become a better defender over time, gambling on the ability to run a team as pg that create all kinds of openings with his creation and elite range. I like Brunson as a backup to a Westbrook or a Wall type that can provide some balance and possibly play off ball occasionally with that type of lead guard to cover for the deficiencies, but overall don't think Brunson offers enough transferable skill offensively to ever be a starter or at least not to ever play heavy minutes. I hope he proves me wrong etc don't care...just how I see it

[doordoor123]

Contradict this... They both suck physically.
Neither has prototype length or athleticism.
I guess to be fair it would seem a lot of people are overvaluing Young based on riding the wave of one of the most elite shooting runs in NCAA history. I'm not, but definitely don't see Brunson as more than a potential 2nd PG behind a 35min starter. Young creates more spacing with his long range efficiency and so therefore combined with an elite offensive mind despite avg defense is way ahead of Brunson on every board in the world...put Brunsun on Oklahoma and Young on Nova , flip the script now you see it right? Good

They don’t suck physically. Neither have length, but Young has great change of pace and Brunson is really physical. Young is quicker than he gets credit for, but he has a tiny body. Brunson can slide, Young can’t. Young has a better handle, but Brunson has better awareness. And I never said Brunson wasn’t the player you’re talking about, but he can be effective as a starter in more of a shooting guard role, where he doesn’t need to use his speed and can just create from the top of the key/play off-ball/post up. You should reread my original post. I’m repeating the same thing over and over again from my original post.

It's just your opinion...try not to take it personal when someone disagrees with you.
I like Young as a late lottery gamble that he will become a better defender over time, gambling on the ability to run a team as pg that create all kinds of openings with his creation and elite range. I like Brunson as a backup to a Westbrook or a Wall type that can provide some balance and possibly play off ball occasionally with that type of lead guard to cover for the deficiencies, but overall don't think Brunson offers enough transferable skill offensively to ever be a starter or at least not to ever play heavy minutes. I hope he proves me wrong etc don't care...just how I see it

Are you high? (I wouldn’t judge you if you are, I get high sometimes)
You’re talking in circles and then making it seem like I am disagree with what you’re talking about. It’s more like you aren’t reading what I wrote in my original post and then pretending like you disagree with me.

[Stillwater]

They don’t suck physically. Neither have length, but Young has great change of pace and Brunson is really physical. Young is quicker than he gets credit for, but he has a tiny body. Brunson can slide, Young can’t. Young has a better handle, but Brunson has better awareness. And I never said Brunson wasn’t the player you’re talking about, but he can be effective as a starter in more of a shooting guard role, where he doesn’t need to use his speed and can just create from the top of the key/play off-ball/post up. You should reread my original post. I’m repeating the same thing over and over again from my original post.

It's just your opinion...try not to take it personal when someone disagrees with you.
I like Young as a late lottery gamble that he will become a better defender over time, gambling on the ability to run a team as pg that create all kinds of openings with his creation and elite range. I like Brunson as a backup to a Westbrook or a Wall type that can provide some balance and possibly play off ball occasionally with that type of lead guard to cover for the deficiencies, but overall don't think Brunson offers enough transferable skill offensively to ever be a starter or at least not to ever play heavy minutes. I hope he proves me wrong etc don't care...just how I see it

Are you high? (I wouldn’t judge you if you are, I get high sometimes)
You’re talking in circles and then making it seem like I am disagree with what you’re talking about. It’s more like you aren’t reading what I wrote in my original post and then pretending like you disagree with me.

like I said don't be so touchy , it's just a difference of opinion about Brunson as an nba player.

[doordoor123]

It's just your opinion...try not to take it personal when someone disagrees with you.
I like Young as a late lottery gamble that he will become a better defender over time, gambling on the ability to run a team as pg that create all kinds of openings with his creation and elite range. I like Brunson as a backup to a Westbrook or a Wall type that can provide some balance and possibly play off ball occasionally with that type of lead guard to cover for the deficiencies, but overall don't think Brunson offers enough transferable skill offensively to ever be a starter or at least not to ever play heavy minutes. I hope he proves me wrong etc don't care...just how I see it

Are you high? (I wouldn’t judge you if you are, I get high sometimes)
You’re talking in circles and then making it seem like I am disagree with what you’re talking about. It’s more like you aren’t reading what I wrote in my original post and then pretending like you disagree with me.

like I said don't be so touchy , it's just a difference of opinion about Brunson as an nba player.

[Stillwater]

Are you high? (I wouldn’t judge you if you are, I get high sometimes)
You’re talking in circles and then making it seem like I am disagree with what you’re talking about. It’s more like you aren’t reading what I wrote in my original post and then pretending like you disagree with me.

like I said don't be so touchy , it's just a difference of opinion about Brunson as an nba player.

cheer up man life is too short for this type of ****. You clearly know a lot about these prospects, as do I.