Post game: A good win in a bad season

[Kinglee]

Frank is younger than half the projected first round this year (according to tankathon)

Ayton, Porter, Bamba, and SGA are all older than him as freshmen and mocked to go in the lottery. And he's only a month and a half older than Trae Young. Kid is young as f*ck

Frank had a chance for a layup earlier, but moved in slow motion... Today game is exactly what I think Frank will be. I've compared him to Eric Snow and Anthony Roberson.

He is slow as hell, lacks dribbling ability, and can't shoot. He's a good defender. I don't go by exactly what a player produces on the court, I go by what he shows. Good game or bad game we know Trey has shooting ability and ball handling ability. Difference between this year and other years, he's getting more time and his shots are going in.

The same way we can scout a college player and say we don't want him because we don't see this or that, a player being drafted by the Knicks doesn't change that. I didn't see Frank play before this year. But he's not showing things where I feel he'll be a keeper or a franchise talent. If he can get to the basket, but missed layups, cool. But he can't. If he can actually dribble the ball and break down a defense but his teammate missed the shot so he didn't get the assist, I'll understand, but that doesn't happen. He literally shows no offensive ability. No, I don't need him to score 20 ppg or get 10 apg, but he plays like the 38 year old version of Pablo Pirigioni. Prime Eric Snow. They play defense, but they aren't defensive stoppers. And on offense everything they give is a bonus. That's not what I want with th 8th pick.

Snow was a defensive stopper. Fail.

Snow was a good defender, I said that. Defensive stopper? No the **** he was not. Lets not pretend.

[K_ick_God]

Top 3 picks are 50-50 so I’m okay. Glad Burke is looking good. I think Frank only needs to be adequate offensive skill wise because he’s got so much length and D. His drive will eventually be hard to stop. His J is fine.

[thebuzzardman]

Frank had a chance for a layup earlier, but moved in slow motion... Today game is exactly what I think Frank will be. I've compared him to Eric Snow and Anthony Roberson.

He is slow as hell, lacks dribbling ability, and can't shoot. He's a good defender. I don't go by exactly what a player produces on the court, I go by what he shows. Good game or bad game we know Trey has shooting ability and ball handling ability. Difference between this year and other years, he's getting more time and his shots are going in.

The same way we can scout a college player and say we don't want him because we don't see this or that, a player being drafted by the Knicks doesn't change that. I didn't see Frank play before this year. But he's not showing things where I feel he'll be a keeper or a franchise talent. If he can get to the basket, but missed layups, cool. But he can't. If he can actually dribble the ball and break down a defense but his teammate missed the shot so he didn't get the assist, I'll understand, but that doesn't happen. He literally shows no offensive ability. No, I don't need him to score 20 ppg or get 10 apg, but he plays like the 38 year old version of Pablo Pirigioni. Prime Eric Snow. They play defense, but they aren't defensive stoppers. And on offense everything they give is a bonus. That's not what I want with th 8th pick.

Snow was a defensive stopper. Fail.

Snow was a good defender, I said that. Defensive stopper? No the **** he was not. Lets not pretend.

He was an excellent defender. I know you don't want to say "stopper" so it fits your narrative of "Franks sucks". Sorry you are all butthurt that Smith Jr didn't get drafted or who knows what. I'm not sure. It's funny. I don't even think Frank has been great, but you're determined to defend this "Frank is awful" stance. Typical message board BS where a guy stakes out a position and trolls on it just to be right.

[Kinglee]

Snow was a defensive stopper. Fail.

Snow was a good defender, I said that. Defensive stopper? No the **** he was not. Lets not pretend.

He was an excellent defender. I know you don't want to say "stopper" so it fits your narrative of "Franks sucks". Sorry you are all butthurt that Smith Jr didn't get drafted or who knows what. I'm not sure. It's funny. I don't even think Frank has been great, but you're determined to defend this "Frank is awful" stance. Typical message board BS where a guy stakes out a position and trolls on it just to be right.

But if that's how I feel that's how the **** I feel. Why do you feel the need to quote every post I make to say a bunch of gibberish and no facts? I do think he suck. I have praised his defense as well. But we drafted him number 8, I don't see lottery pick potential I'm him.

Your whole attack on me is I think he sucks, yet you're not saying **** that shows otherwise. Ok, he plays defense. Lance Thomas does too. Now what?

And a good defender and defensive stopper is two totally different things. Cp3 is an elite defender, I don't think anyone will call him a defensive stopper Please stop.

[3toheadmelo]

Jordan Hill 8

get outta here craptors fan. yall just lost to the damn clippers

This guy is my favourite

you only here to troll... get out

[thebuzzardman]

Snow was a good defender, I said that. Defensive stopper? No the **** he was not. Lets not pretend.

He was an excellent defender. I know you don't want to say "stopper" so it fits your narrative of "Franks sucks". Sorry you are all butthurt that Smith Jr didn't get drafted or who knows what. I'm not sure. It's funny. I don't even think Frank has been great, but you're determined to defend this "Frank is awful" stance. Typical message board BS where a guy stakes out a position and trolls on it just to be right.

But if that's how I feel that's how the **** I feel. Why do you feel the need to quote every post I make to say a bunch of gibberish and no facts? I do think he suck. I have praised his defense as well. But we drafted him number 8, I don't see lottery pick potential I'm him.

Your whole attack on me is I think he sucks, yet you're not saying **** that shows otherwise. Ok, he plays defense. Lance Tho,as does too. Now what?

Because you're annoying as f*ck about it and I figure since you're annoying the f*ck out of 90% of the board, I'll annoy you. It's that simple at this point. It's pretty rare for me to do this, but your posts suck that bad.

[Kinglee]

He was an excellent defender. I know you don't want to say "stopper" so it fits your narrative of "Franks sucks". Sorry you are all butthurt that Smith Jr didn't get drafted or who knows what. I'm not sure. It's funny. I don't even think Frank has been great, but you're determined to defend this "Frank is awful" stance. Typical message board BS where a guy stakes out a position and trolls on it just to be right.

But if that's how I feel that's how the **** I feel. Why do you feel the need to quote every post I make to say a bunch of gibberish and no facts? I do think he suck. I have praised his defense as well. But we drafted him number 8, I don't see lottery pick potential I'm him.

Your whole attack on me is I think he sucks, yet you're not saying **** that shows otherwise. Ok, he plays defense. Lance Tho,as does too. Now what?

Because you're annoying as f*ck about it and I figure since you're annoying the f*ck out of 90% of the board, I'll annoy you. It's that simple at this point. It's pretty rare for me to do this, but your posts suck that bad.

But you're not annoying me. It's a message board. If you annoyed me I just wouldn't reply. Like you're admitting to trying to annoy another man on the internet? This what the world has come to?

[thebuzzardman]

Why aren't the Lakers in the playoffs yet? Three straight number 2 picks

Because rebuilds take about 5 years?

Our rebuild has taken 20 years and we still have nothing to show for it.

Well, there's that. Except this might be the first time they've really tried it. Then again, getting guys like THJr and Kanter to me aren't what a rebuilding team should do, but Kanter was the price of exiling Melo. THJr on the other hand....
Oh, and Phil was a complete idiot with Noah.

[thebuzzardman]

But if that's how I feel that's how the **** I feel. Why do you feel the need to quote every post I make to say a bunch of gibberish and no facts? I do think he suck. I have praised his defense as well. But we drafted him number 8, I don't see lottery pick potential I'm him.

Your whole attack on me is I think he sucks, yet you're not saying **** that shows otherwise. Ok, he plays defense. Lance Tho,as does too. Now what?

Because you're annoying as f*ck about it and I figure since you're annoying the f*ck out of 90% of the board, I'll annoy you. It's that simple at this point. It's pretty rare for me to do this, but your posts suck that bad.

But you're not annoying me. It's a message board. If you annoyed me I just wouldn't reply. Like you're admitting to trying to annoy another man on the internet? This what the world has come to?

Yeah, pretty much. I'm being honest about it. Just like being a dbag contrarian just for the sake of it is what the world is coming to.

[thebuzzardman]

Needed Frank to get those valuable crunch time minutes to continue missing shots. But omg if he play at the end he will get experience points...

Y'all gotta stop this nonsense. These guys been playing basketball for years, stop treating the **** like a Pokémon game.

What were Burkes excuses around not being a good enough PG the first 220 games of his NBA career?

you know he's not going to answer that question.

He's just the guy who's smarter and know more about basketball then everyone on here, particular when it comes to players who are young and drafted by the Knicks, like KP and Frank. Hey, those guys have issues in their game, then there is his analysis.

[3toheadmelo]

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[RHODEY]

Burke may resemble Iverson but I see a lot of Isiah Thomas(the Laker) in his game. The speed, handles and the near automatic mid range jumper...Wouldn't it be cool if he makes the same quantum leap next year that I.T. made when he came to the Celts?

[Kinglee]

Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

[Jose7]

there's no reason burke cannot score 18+ a game next year with a strong summer..

Burke Frank KP should be our starers 1,2,5 without question.

[Obi-One]

I wouldn’t be as frustrated if we were in a spot to definitely get Mikal. But i think we will somehow miss him by 1 pick and regret it for the next decade

[3toheadmelo]

there's no reason burke cannot score 18+ a game next year with a strong summer..

Burke Frank KP should be our starers 1,2,5 without question.

no doubt.

the tim chuckaway signing puts us in a bad position though. it sucks. lets see if the knicks got the balls to bench him next year. cause that boy ain't a 3.

[thebuzzardman]

Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

You win
Frank sucks
KP sucks

You da best

[Marty McFly]

What were Burkes excuses around not being a good enough PG the first 220 games of his NBA career?

you know he's not going to answer that question.

I didn't watch him his first 220 games so idc nor do I know

[RHODEY]

Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

What About K. Leonard?
What about Steve Nash?
What about Chauncey Bill ups"
What about Isaiah Thomas?
What about Greek Freek?

[Kinglee]

Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

You win
Frank sucks
KP sucks

You da best

KP doesn't suck. I just don't see first option. He's injury prone, his offensive game isn't great, and nothing about him besides shot blocking stands out to separate him from the Towns, Jokic, Embiid, and Davis of the league. Nice second option tho, but franchise player? Guy to build around? Nah