Post game: A good win in a bad season

thebuzzardman · Post #201 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:26 am

RHODEY wrote:
Kinglee wrote:Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

What About K. Leonard?
What about Steve Nash?
What about Chauncey Bill ups"
What about Isaiah Thomas?
What about Greek Freek?

Kinglee · Post #202 » by **Kinglee** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:29 am

RHODEY wrote:
Kinglee wrote:Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

What About K. Leonard?
What about Steve Nash?
What about Chauncey Bill ups"
What about Isaiah Thomas?
What about Greek Freek?

K Leonard was handed the team. Was already an elite defender, but his jumper has developed into something amazing. He turned into a great scorer. Still not a good passer.

Steve Nash was always a good passer and shooter. He played in Dantoni system, the one that got Duhon a 20 assist game.

Billups one of the most overrated guards of our time. Nice shooter, not really a guy that was ever able to create foe himself, but he made clutch shots and played on one of the greatest defensive teams of all time. Which is why his terrible shot selection never stood out.

Isiah Thomas was good in college and finally landed on a team in Boston where he can run around and do whatever. Turned out what he did in college could work in the NBA given the opportunity, hence Trey Burke

thebuzzardman · Post #203 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:32 am

I'm sure he was talking about Dallas Nash. Dallas Nash didn't look like Phoenix Nash. But he still looked pretty good. I have a distinct memory of him as I hoped the Knicks could get him as he was coming off the bench for Dallas.

3toheadmelo · Post #204 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:33 am

burke n frank will be fun to watch for the next 5 years or so

thebuzzardman · Post #205 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:35 am

3toheadmelo wrote:burke n frank will be fun to watch for the next 5 years or so

Only Burke. Frank will be asking people if they want a Royale with Cheese, according to Kinglee.

3toheadmelo · Post #206 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:40 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:burke n frank will be fun to watch for the next 5 years or so

Only Burke. Frank will be asking people if they want a Royale with Cheese, according to Kinglee.

3toheadmelo · Post #207 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:45 am

Read on Twitter

vallen · Post #208 » by **vallen** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:51 am

Kinglee wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Kinglee wrote:Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

You win
Frank sucks
KP sucks

You da best

KP doesn't suck. I just don't see first option. He's injury prone, his offensive game isn't great, and nothing about him besides shot blocking stands out to separate him from the Towns, Jokic, Embiid, and Davis of the league. Nice second option tho, but franchise player? Guy to build around? Nah

how many true franchise players are in the league ? certainly not enough for every team. even those guys you mentioned havent won anything. KP still probly a better #1 then half the teams in the league have. ya in a world of super teams, KP is a #2. Spreading out the top 32 players onto 32 teams, KP is a #1 option on one of those teams.

vallen · Post #209 » by **vallen** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:53 am

3toheadmelo wrote:burke n frank will be fun to watch for the next 5 years or so

Context · Post #210 » by **Context** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:54 am

what is all this blasphemes talk of I aint even mad?!
I AM...

Another wasted opportunity by this silly a** kindergarten franchise...

Dr. Detfink · Post #211 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:57 am

The Knicks don’t need franchise guy. Lebron, Curry are once in a life time players. Knicks need 4 solid guys and 1 je me sais quoi Guy. Not a franchise guy but one who can elevate other’s play.

As for KP, just shot blocking? Pfft...kid can drive, great range, and in some ways better than Dirk both sides of the court.

Comparing him to the others is criminal.

3toheadmelo · Post #212 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:02 am

vallen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:burke n frank will be fun to watch for the next 5 years or so

ah yes.. the troll has quoted me

HEZI · Post #213 » by **HEZI** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:03 am

Context wrote:what is all this blasphemes talk of I aint even mad?!
I AM...

Another wasted opportunity by this silly a** kindergarten franchise...

Blame the Wizards not the Knicks. Can't expect the Knicks players to just lay down on their back in the middle of the court. Bradley Beal looking like THJ out there.

Kinglee · Post #214 » by **Kinglee** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:06 am

vallen wrote:
Kinglee wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
You win
Frank sucks
KP sucks

You da best

KP doesn't suck. I just don't see first option. He's injury prone, his offensive game isn't great, and nothing about him besides shot blocking stands out to separate him from the Towns, Jokic, Embiid, and Davis of the league. Nice second option tho, but franchise player? Guy to build around? Nah

how many true franchise players are in the league ? certainly not enough for every team. even those guys you mentioned havent won anything. KP still probly a better #1 then half the teams in the league have. ya in a world of super teams, KP is a #2. Spreading out the top 32 players onto 32 teams, KP is a #1 option on one of those teams.

A number 1 option doesn't mean the best player on the team. Number 1 option has everything to do with offensive ability. KP/Towns/Embiid/Davis have number 1'option ability.

Kinglee · Post #215 » by **Kinglee** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:07 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:The Knicks don’t need franchise guy. Lebron, Curry are once in a life time players. Knicks need 4 solid guys and 1 je me sais quoi Guy. Not a franchise guy but one who can elevate other’s play.

As for KP, just shot blocking? Pfft...kid can drive, great range, and in some ways better than Dirk both sides of the court.

Comparing him to the others is criminal.

He's light years ahead of Dirk defensively and light years behind Dirk offensively.

prophet_of_rage · Post #216 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:18 am

Because you don't really want the Knicks to lose.

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BallSacBounce · Post #217 » by **BallSacBounce** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:22 am

NY 567 wrote:We win when we're supposed to lose, we lose when we're supposed to win. Smh.

We suck at both winning and losing.

We're the N. Y. Knickerbockers.

vallen · Post #218 » by **vallen** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:25 am

Kinglee wrote:
vallen wrote:
Kinglee wrote:
KP doesn't suck. I just don't see first option. He's injury prone, his offensive game isn't great, and nothing about him besides shot blocking stands out to separate him from the Towns, Jokic, Embiid, and Davis of the league. Nice second option tho, but franchise player? Guy to build around? Nah

how many true franchise players are in the league ? certainly not enough for every team. even those guys you mentioned havent won anything. KP still probly a better #1 then half the teams in the league have. ya in a world of super teams, KP is a #2. Spreading out the top 32 players onto 32 teams, KP is a #1 option on one of those teams.

A number 1 option doesn't mean the best player on the team. Number 1 option has everything to do with offensive ability. KP/Towns/Embiid/Davis have number 1'option ability.

so not every team has a #1 option? only 4 or 5 do ?

N Y K · Post #219 » by **N Y K** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:27 am

oh well

2010 · Post #220 » by **2010** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:27 am

Fury wrote:If you told me at the beginning of the year we’d find out starting PG in Trey Burke I’d be hahaha nah son but dude proved me wrong can’t front. We set

Changing your mind on a player and showing acknowledgment, eh?

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