Post game: A good win in a bad season

[vallen]

Changing your mind on a player and showing acknowledgment, eh?

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It was sarcasm dumb ****, keep reading the follow up posts

That whore you call a mother is the dumb schit for not aborting you.

[Greenie]

there's no reason burke cannot score 18+ a game next year with a strong summer..

Burke Frank KP should be our starers 1,2,5 without question.

Yasssssssssssss

[HarthorneWingo]

it's kinda funny that red vines was suspended once for recognizing early that the midget was our best player. it doesn't pay to be an early adopter.

but to be honest, i don't buy anyone playing well in the last month of the season when nobody cares about wins. i've seen this movie too many times. it rarely carries over. i'd hold up on the penciling in of anybody for the future.

The saying in baseball goes "Don't believe what you see in April or September." I think there's some truth to that.

[god shammgod]

it's kinda funny that red vines was suspended once for recognizing early that the midget was our best player. it doesn't pay to be an early adopter.

but to be honest, i don't buy anyone playing well in the last month of the season when nobody cares about wins. i've seen this movie too many times. it rarely carries over. i'd hold up on the penciling in of anybody for the future.

goddamn he got suspended again...?

no. just the once. i think.

[HarthorneWingo]

It was sarcasm dumb ****, keep reading the follow up posts

That whore you call a mother is the dumb schit for not aborting you.

Well damn

[N Y K]

it's kinda funny that red vines was suspended once for recognizing early that the midget was our best player. it doesn't pay to be an early adopter.

but to be honest, i don't buy anyone playing well in the last month of the season when nobody cares about wins. i've seen this movie too many times. it rarely carries over. i'd hold up on the penciling in of anybody for the future.

goddamn he got suspended again...?

no. just the once. i think.

yeahhh... i read that too quickly... carry on

[JBreezeNY]

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[vallen]

so if Frank is still getting out shined by D-Leaguers and Bottom of the Bench guys at 20 years old can we talk about D-League ?

[2010]

If nothing else comes of this season than having a pass next year to be in the lottery again (due to the KP injury) and finding Iverson, I'm good.

I trust we'll make a solid pick even at 9-11 with our scouts and no more worries about Phil going fit over talent.

[K_ick_God]

Beasley’s shot at 50 seconds = lol. Horny sucks.

[Kinglee]

Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

Frank is showing he’s not a 1 on 1 scorer. But if you think he has shown in any meaningful way that he can’t be anything else, you’re not right. And he may develop a very good offensive game. He’s got nice potential. D and unselfish. You’re looking at the wrong stuff — you are focusing on scoring skill above all else by too much.

Then again Burke is bringing that and it is an element that’s obviously helpful if it doesn’t come in a selfish or dumb package. Burke seems to have an awareness of how to play and best of all, he’s learnt it the hard way through failure. Even better.

So we got Frank and a more mature, healthier scoring guard.

"He may develop a very good offensive game" and this is based on what? See what I mean. These guys that are in the NBA, didn't just start playing last year. They've been playing for years,been developed by coaches for years, and had the best personal trainers for years. Players develop through practice. He has shown NOTHING that says he WILL be a legitimate threat on offense. If he isn't a good ball handler now, he's not going to magically become Kylie Irving. Ben Wallace didn't become an offensive threat. Eric Snow didn't become an offensive threat. Anthony Roberson didn't become an offensive threat. Notice I pointed out great defenders from different position that showed NO OFFENSIVE POTENTIAL early in their careers and as time went on with professional trainers and coaches they still didn't turn into an offensive threat.

It's the same way when y'all go "why wasn't this player in the game at the end, he need to learn what to do in these positions". These guys once again have been playing basketball for years. None of us are in the NBA. NONE OF US. Why is it that we can watch the game and say "damn, why you didn't do this" or "why you didn't do that"? Why we AS FANS didn't need game experience to see what should've been done in those situations, but these NBA players need it? It's bull that fans and the media and just us as people in general come up with to make the game seem more difficult than what it is. Like earlier today Trey Burke fouled when we were up 3. I pointed it out in the game thread how it was a smart move and people pointed out in the topic how WE NEVER do that. Yet we always wonder WHY we don't do it, but here Trey did it. Do you think he needed to be put in that situation to know to foul or it's was common sense to foul, but for some reason some coaches are just **** stupid?

Anyway you get the basis of my rant. Frank is a nice player to have off the bench when you need a stop or even as a starter to have some defense on the court. OKC does it with Roberson. I'm not taking it away from him. But on offense he's a complete 0. He can't shoot, he can't get to the basket, his decision making isn't good (decision making isn't just about turnovers or shot selection, but also who you give them ball to and where you give it to them as a point guard)... I just see no offensive talent or any reason to believe he can grow into a legitimate offensive threat. Now I'm hard on him because he was our 8th pick when I feel there were better options and he was solely drafted doe the triangle and Phil. If we gonna talk about defense, yes, praise him. But I'm not going to talk about him as he legitimately should be a key piece on this franchise going forward. A player like him is easy to find.

I don't mind the disagreements and the discussion, but when someone refute what I'm saying I want them to absolutely refute it with hardcore evidence to backup their points. This isn't directed towards you, as you usually have legitimate cases. But people that wanna just disagree with me for the sake of it instead of actually pointing out how and why I'm wrong. Oh I'm a troll, I'm a troll how? Because I made factual statements? Like come on with the nonsense

[K_ick_God]

Watching my D-V-R-uh replay — pretty good, smart D by Trey at 20 seconds.

[HarthorneWingo]

so if Frank is still getting out shined by D-Leaguers and Bottom of the Bench guys at 20 years old can we talk about D-League ?

Frank's really not being "outshined." We are a much better team with Frank on the court. He just defers too much to others right now. It'll all come together in a year or two. I guarantee it.

[HarthorneWingo]

Beasley’s shot at 50 seconds = lol. Horny sucks.

Beas put up a solid stat line.

[K_ick_God]

Burke was like I am just gonna drive it on the delayed break rather than watch Beasley shoot another stepback airball.

Horn is awful.

[Capn'O]

the personal attacks need to stop now. At least one suspension on its way.

[Greenie]

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[3toheadmelo]

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[Clyde_Style]

so if Frank is still getting out shined by D-Leaguers and Bottom of the Bench guys at 20 years old can we talk about D-League ?

Is Frank getting torched by his defensive assignments?

Is Frank not already the best defender not named Porzingis?

Your posts about Frank are so embarrassingly bad.

[Red Vines]

Wasn't even one of Burke's best games but he kept pressuring on both ends and it set the tone. You're not upgrading that position for next year unless you want to break the bank on a free agent like Tyreke Evans or break our asset pool for Kemba. Roll with Burke until an unmistakable better option presents itself.