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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#41 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:49 pm

chris4celts wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Remainin inaccuracies I see:
-- Fultz mentioned as outgoing, when he really was a wash.
-- Trade acquiring IT not mentioned.
-- Trade acquiring the pick traded for IT not mentioned.

Also, I doubt there's a full accounting for 2nd rounders, incoming or outgoing as the case may be. :)

Jordan Crawford was also involved in some deals that don't seem to have been mentioned.


OK, I attempted to make these changes (and acknowledge that all seconds may not be accounted for). Thanks. Left off Crawford also as I don't know details and I think it was a small trade.


I checked. Crawford was traded for what turned out to be 2 high 2nds. One was used on Jordan Mickey. The other was that #31 you cited that they traded away.

That #35 they traded away came from Phoenix -- perhaps in the IT trade? So probably both those picks are in the "wash" category.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#42 » by itrsteve » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:35 pm

Too soon, not all assets from the reset have been converted yet.

It’s absolutely insane that there are still two more decent picks coming.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#43 » by BfB » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:58 pm

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CelticTillDeath wrote:Ironically enough, just a couple days ago on the felger and Mazz radio show on 98.5 the sports hub, they were actually talking about how ainge gets the biggest pass out of any gm in the Boston area. They kept harping on the fact that he has 1 championship in his 15 seasons as the Celtics gm, and how if that were the case for the patriots, bruins, or Red Sox gm then they would be crucified.

Clearly they weren’t taking injuries into account. If KG never goes down in 09, then your looking at a potential 3-peat from 08-10. We were far and away the best team in the league in 09 before KG went down, and in ‘10 if KG was never compromised with that knee injury from the previous season then there is no way that finals series even gets to 7 games, let alone the Celtics losing in 7.

People tend to forget that Ainge has now successfully (or pretty close to it) completed two separate rebuilds. When he first got here he took over an absolute mess, and he always said he had a 5 year plan to turn things around. Surer then the sky is blue, that 5th year resulted in us getting KG, Ray, and banner 17. When that core broke down, Danny then pulled off arguably the biggest highest of all time which has now set the team up for finals contention yet again, but with a significantly younger core. Not to mention the fact that Danny still has an array of high valued assets he can use to better this current team even further.

So clearly those radio guys are meat heads in every sense of the word. How many times have we ever said Danny lost a trade? He’s arguably the best “trader” GM in the league. He’s also the first Celtics GM that convinced TWO max free agents to sign here. The franchise had previously struck out every other time in that regard. Danny has made the Celtics a destination spot. Even drafting, the wherewithal to take brown at 3, trade down to 3 for Tatum, the supposed reach for rozier at 15, the trade for rondo at 21, even drafting smart where he did. I know some will point to the JR Giddens and JuJuan Johnson picks at the end of the first round during the big 3 era, but late first rounders are always a gamble. Basically, danny really hasn’t done much wrong in his tenure as the Celtics GM.


I agree. You can't nail all those late firsts. No-one can. The ONLY move that gives me pause was passing on the Greek Freak for KO. Ainge took KO 13th overall in 2013 with the Greek Freak staring him in the face. People bring up missing on Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler. That's not fair because almost the entire league missed on those guys.


I’ve said this countless times; the reason Ainge didn’t take Giannis was that his camp was demanding he be brought over and played right away. Ainge wanted to stash him for a season or two so the rookie deal would cover more productive seasons.

In hindsight it looks foolish, but there is a reason Giannis went in the mid-teens. Predicting his rapid growth and overall dominance is one of the all time biggest outliers in draft history. The kid had almost ZERO pro experience.


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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#44 » by Homerclease » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:31 pm

Remember when people wanted him fired? Good times
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#45 » by chris4celts » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:29 am

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chris4celts wrote:There are folks on the Philly board who still insist that Fultz was the right pick and the trade was correct. While this is possible in the long run, it seems more like denial to me.


Man, you lurk there way too much :lol: Every time I head there, you typically have a new post and warning from the mods there. You might want to ease up on the gloating man, don't want to lose you to Banland


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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#46 » by chris4celts » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:30 am

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chris4celts wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Remainin inaccuracies I see:
-- Fultz mentioned as outgoing, when he really was a wash.
-- Trade acquiring IT not mentioned.
-- Trade acquiring the pick traded for IT not mentioned.

Also, I doubt there's a full accounting for 2nd rounders, incoming or outgoing as the case may be. :)

Jordan Crawford was also involved in some deals that don't seem to have been mentioned.


OK, I attempted to make these changes (and acknowledge that all seconds may not be accounted for). Thanks. Left off Crawford also as I don't know details and I think it was a small trade.


I checked. Crawford was traded for what turned out to be 2 high 2nds. One was used on Jordan Mickey. The other was that #31 you cited that they traded away.

That #35 they traded away came from Phoenix -- perhaps in the IT trade? So probably both those picks are in the "wash" category.


OK, thanks again for the detective work. Change made.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#47 » by titlebound1 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:22 am

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:You know Ainge is doing a good job when other team's fans start saying he is owed bad karma. :crazy:

My favorite take by far is that Danny was stupid for trading for Kyrie because he was damaged goods. :lol:


I've been spending more time on the general hoard getting Philly and Cleveland fans worked up. And frankly, I had no idea how deep in denial other fan bases are. People still insist that he got burned by the Cavs because of a "top ten pick."

My personal favorite are when posters say that he only has a job because he got lucky on a few trades with bad GMs


Well, aren't you winning at life. Is this year all that matters?
Why do you get to evaluate the Kyrie trade based on one season, when the main prize hasn't come to fruition yet?
If Kyrie (touch wood) has a career-threatening/ending injury next season and the Cavs luck into a stud (either via draft, or trade if LeBron stays), would your evaluation of the trade change?

Ainge appears to have the Celtics in great shape going forward, and should be celebrated accordingly. The fanboy / Ainge is god / foretold everything schtick tells people more about you, than Ainge/the C's...


Yeah? What does it tell everyone about me?

That's a weird post...
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#48 » by titlebound1 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:44 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:You know Ainge is doing a good job when other team's fans start saying he is owed bad karma. :crazy:

My favorite take by far is that Danny was stupid for trading for Kyrie because he was damaged goods. :lol:


I've been spending more time on the general hoard getting Philly and Cleveland fans worked up. And frankly, I had no idea how deep in denial other fan bases are. People still insist that he got burned by the Cavs because of a "top ten pick."

My personal favorite are when posters say that he only has a job because he got lucky on a few trades with bad GMs


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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#49 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:06 pm

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titlebound1 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:You know Ainge is doing a good job when other team's fans start saying he is owed bad karma. :crazy:

My favorite take by far is that Danny was stupid for trading for Kyrie because he was damaged goods. :lol:


I've been spending more time on the general hoard getting Philly and Cleveland fans worked up. And frankly, I had no idea how deep in denial other fan bases are. People still insist that he got burned by the Cavs because of a "top ten pick."

My personal favorite are when posters say that he only has a job because he got lucky on a few trades with bad GMs


I got banned by a Raptors MOD :(


Lol. They get cranky at this time of year. Coincides when they're team collapses.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#50 » by truth18 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:15 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
I've been spending more time on the general hoard getting Philly and Cleveland fans worked up. And frankly, I had no idea how deep in denial other fan bases are. People still insist that he got burned by the Cavs because of a "top ten pick."

My personal favorite are when posters say that he only has a job because he got lucky on a few trades with bad GMs


I got banned by a Raptors MOD :(


Lol. They get cranky at this time of year. Coincides when they're team collapses.


Clicked on the GB for the first time in about a year.

Opened a thread about Stephen Jackson, read the first page and closed the GB for likely a year plus again.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#51 » by titlebound1 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:24 pm

truth18 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
I got banned by a Raptors MOD :(


Lol. They get cranky at this time of year. Coincides when they're team collapses.


Clicked on the GB for the first time in about a year.

Opened a thread about Stephen Jackson, read the first page and closed the GB for likely a year plus again.


Yeah I think I'm done over there. What I was saying felt pretty tame compared to the Celtics bashing that happens in every thread.

And oddly enough, I got called the 76ers tanking a "loser thing to do."
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#52 » by truth18 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:27 pm

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truth18 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Lol. They get cranky at this time of year. Coincides when they're team collapses.


Clicked on the GB for the first time in about a year.

Opened a thread about Stephen Jackson, read the first page and closed the GB for likely a year plus again.


Yeah I think I'm done over there. What I was saying felt pretty tame compared to the Celtics bashing that happens in every thread.

And oddly enough, I got called the 76ers tanking a "loser thing to do."


I feel you, brother, I believe I was permabanned from the GB for mildly criticizing the Knicks and then months later posting a picture of the Pokemon Chancey when someone mispelled Chauney Billups' name.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#53 » by titlebound1 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:01 pm

truth18 wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Clicked on the GB for the first time in about a year.

Opened a thread about Stephen Jackson, read the first page and closed the GB for likely a year plus again.


Yeah I think I'm done over there. What I was saying felt pretty tame compared to the Celtics bashing that happens in every thread.

And oddly enough, I got called the 76ers tanking a "loser thing to do."


I feel you, brother, I believe I was permabanned from the GB for mildly criticizing the Knicks and then months later posting a picture of the Pokemon Chancey when someone mispelled Chauney Billups' name.


Subtle...and effective. Very nice
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#54 » by CeltsFlow » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:53 pm

truth18 wrote:
titlebound1 wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Clicked on the GB for the first time in about a year.

Opened a thread about Stephen Jackson, read the first page and closed the GB for likely a year plus again.


Yeah I think I'm done over there. What I was saying felt pretty tame compared to the Celtics bashing that happens in every thread.

And oddly enough, I got called the 76ers tanking a "loser thing to do."


I feel you, brother, I believe I was permabanned from the GB for mildly criticizing the Knicks and then months later posting a picture of the Pokemon Chancey when someone mispelled Chauney Billups' name.


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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#55 » by celticgreenie » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:44 pm

Chris Vernon: This particular agent I was talking to about this idea of group think [surrounding the NBA draft] and that guys are scared to overdraft somebody, the one personnel guy that he brought up to me, he said, ‘That’s why I have so much respect for Danny Ainge. Because he’s got his board and he sticks to his board, and he doesn’t give a crap what all these mock drafts say. So if people think it’s goofy that [he] takes Terry Rozier at 17th, he doesn’t care.’ – via The Vertical
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#56 » by Dannyboy36 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:21 pm

CelticTillDeath wrote:Ironically enough, just a couple days ago on the felger and Mazz radio show on 98.5 the sports hub, they were actually talking about how ainge gets the biggest pass out of any gm in the Boston area. They kept harping on the fact that he has 1 championship in his 15 seasons as the Celtics gm, and how if that were the case for the patriots, bruins, or Red Sox gm then they would be crucified.

Clearly they weren’t taking injuries into account. If KG never goes down in 09, then your looking at a potential 3-peat from 08-10. We were far and away the best team in the league in 09 before KG went down, and in ‘10 if KG was never compromised with that knee injury from the previous season then there is no way that finals series even gets to 7 games, let alone the Celtics losing in 7.

People tend to forget that Ainge has now successfully (or pretty close to it) completed two separate rebuilds. When he first got here he took over an absolute mess, and he always said he had a 5 year plan to turn things around. Surer then the sky is blue, that 5th year resulted in us getting KG, Ray, and banner 17. When that core broke down, Danny then pulled off arguably the biggest highest of all time which has now set the team up for finals contention yet again, but with a significantly younger core. Not to mention the fact that Danny still has an array of high valued assets he can use to better this current team even further.

So clearly those radio guys are meat heads in every sense of the word. How many times have we ever said Danny lost a trade? He’s arguably the best “trader” GM in the league. He’s also the first Celtics GM that convinced TWO max free agents to sign here. The franchise had previously struck out every other time in that regard. Danny has made the Celtics a destination spot. Even drafting, the wherewithal to take brown at 3, trade down to 3 for Tatum, the supposed reach for rozier at 15, the trade for rondo at 21, even drafting smart where he did. I know some will point to the JR Giddens and JuJuan Johnson picks at the end of the first round during the big 3 era, but late first rounders are always a gamble. Basically, danny really hasn’t done much wrong in his tenure as the Celtics GM.


I couldn’t agree more that Felger and Mazz are meatheads. What I really don’t like about them is their actually pride at not knowing a lot about the league because of what they think of the players as a whole.
I think Danny is the best. To me, Danny is by far the most important part of the organization. Even if the celts hypothetically lost Stevens for whatever made up reason, I would have faith Danny would pick the very next best guy for the job.Ainge is by far my favorite Celtic ever so I have quite a bias here.
I do think trading Perk, and not resigning Posey were mistakes. My opinion ( not saying I’m right). I know he regrets Tony Allen and he may be right. I’ve always given him a pass on that one. Tony was a bench warmer in 08 despite his great d. I myself didn’t see Tony being that important to a team as he became with Memphis.
Another one would be signing Scal.I think he was lazy in the off seasons, never improving his physique over the years. That just happens to be a big peeve of mine with some professional athletes.
But that list of moves is really amazing.I hope Danny wishes to stay on the job for a loooong time because it’s hard for me to imagine anyone doing the job anywhere close to how he has done it. Amazing.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#57 » by Dannyboy36 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:31 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
Cyclical wrote:
grindtime22 wrote:Letting Doc walk (and getting a late 1st rounder for it) and then hiring Brad Stevens out of nowhere. He was on nobody's radar as far as potential candidates. A lot of people on here were talking about Brett Brown.


100%.

This was the move that changed everything. In the Danny Ainge era it's 2nd only to the Garnett trade.


Brad is a beast. Without Stevens does the team play well enough to lure Horford and then Hayward? Without Brad do IT and Crowder build enough value for the Cavs to say yes to the Kyrie trade? Without Brad do we get so much production / development out of Olynyk, Smart, Rozier, Brown and Tatum?


I’d disagree that Smart and Olynyk developed under Stevens.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#58 » by Dannyboy36 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:50 pm

Homerclease wrote:Remember when people wanted him fired? Good times


Yup. I can’t stand general Boston fans. They’re the dumbest regarding the Celtics and the nba. We all have differing opinions but I pin the “ Ainge should be fired” crowd to Bostonians that root for other local teams way before the celts- the annoying fans that are more interested in gloating about the city of Boston instead of love for the team.
I remember being at a game and a guy said “ Fire Danny Ainge on the jumbotron” and there was a lot of follow-up cheering.
I think it was the same game vs the Spurs and the celts were cutting into a lead and I got up to cheer a few times on consecutive baskets and the 2 couples behind me were yelling at me to sit down. There was no cheering the whole 1st half from these clowns, but when Jason Varitek came out to hold the ball for Lucky to dunk at halftime they got up and lost their minds. I wanted to throw up. I started talking to my brother about how much I hate the Red Sox and baseball after that and got them all grumbling about me in the 3rd qtr and they were calling me a sellout. I just didn’t respond.
Wow. I went off on a tangent there. Sorry, these “ fans” drive me crazy and I’m a huge Danny guy.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#59 » by Havlicek17 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:14 pm

When Hinkie stepped down from the 76ers front office, he had a few things to say about Ainge in his 13 page resignation letter.

"More practically, to take the long view has an unintuitive advantage built in—fewer competitors.
Here’s Warren Buffett in the late 80s on this topic: “In any sort of a contest—financial, mental, or
physical—it’s an enormous advantage to have opponents who have been taught that it's useless to even try.”
Ask who wants to trade for an in-his-prime Kevin Garnett and 30 hands will go up. Ask who planned for it
three or four years in advance and Danny Ainge is nearly alone."

"Many of us remember exactly where we were when tragedy strikes and we think of what could have
been. For me—and this is sad for my own mental well being—that list includes the January day in 2014
when Miami traded Joel Anthony and two second round picks to our formidable competitors the Celtics. I
can still picture the child’s play table I paced around at Lankenau Medical Center on my cell phone while
negotiating with Miami’s front office. This was in between feedings for our newborn twins, when my wife
and I were still sleeping in the hospital. Danny Ainge finalized that deal (and several other better ones) and
received one first-place vote for Executive of the Year that season: mine."

High praise coming from a competing GM, and in his resignation letter no less.
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Re: Recapping the brilliance of Danny Ainge 

Post#60 » by 711takeover » Sun Apr 1, 2018 4:02 am

Funny how the narrative before this season to other fans was that "Ainge has all these picks but can't draft"... Now, it's looking like 3 years of great drafting, starting with Rozier at #16 as a complete steal

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