Luka Doncic Part III

[clyde21]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

[daoneandonly]

Joe Ingles is 2nd in 3pt shooting in the NBA at 44.7%. So not only does it seem like you don't watch Doncic, but you obviously don't know what Joe Ingles does either. But they are both white, so I guess I see that parallel you're making.

Actually I never said they were clones, I said he will be the type of role player Ingles is as a wing who can facilitate darn well, never compared their shooting. Just because you're a mod does not mean you can throw the racist accusations around, absolutely absurd.

I didn't make any racist accusations. Just noticed you picked guys that were primarily shooters to compare him to, and both are non shooters. But they are also both white foreign players you happened to pick out. You've pointed it out plenty with all your eastern hemsiphere, players across the atlantic crap you posted as well.

Yeah because those guards like Exum, Rubio, Hezonja and soon to be Nkinnia never pan out as expected regardless of skin tone, that makes no difference or has any barring. Maybe it's a product of never playing against elite level competition in their youth, i don't know. but it does not seem to impact the bigs as much as evidenced by Dirk (white), Giannis, dad Sabonis (white), Jokic (white), and Porzingas (white). It's a factor GM's should be mindful of when taking someone so high, if we were talking picks 7 and beyond, sure, take Doncic no worries.

That's why I brought up Ingles and Turk, you can take those guys ideally with mid/late firsts, but even late lottery. You don't take them with a top 5, let alone top 2 pick when not ONE has panned out as of 2018. And like you pointed out, Ingles is a good shooter, so heck he's better than Doncic.

As nice as Ingles is, how many fans would be happy having suffered through a horrible tanking season only to end up with a player like Ingles? As a Mavs fan, I wouldn't and I'd guess as a Suns fan, nor would you.

[daoneandonly]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

Klay is a far better shooter and elite defender, I don't see him reaching those heights. I think if you compare him to a Warrior, he's more Iggy or Livingston without the D

[bwgood77]

Actually I never said they were clones, I said he will be the type of role player Ingles is as a wing who can facilitate darn well, never compared their shooting. Just because you're a mod does not mean you can throw the racist accusations around, absolutely absurd.

I didn't make any racist accusations. Just noticed you picked guys that were primarily shooters to compare him to, and both are non shooters. But they are also both white foreign players you happened to pick out. You've pointed it out plenty with all your eastern hemsiphere, players across the atlantic crap you posted as well.

Yeah because those guards like Exum, Rubio, Hezonja and soon to be Nkinnia never pan out as expected regardless of skin tone, that makes no difference or has any barring. Maybe it's a product of never playing against elite level competition in their youth, i don't know. but it does not seem to impact the bigs as much as evidenced by Dirk (white), Giannis, dad Sabonis (white), Jokic (white), and Porzingas (white). It's a factor GM's should be mindful of when taking someone so high, if we were talking picks 7 and beyond, sure, take Doncic no worries.

That's why I brought up Ingles and Turk, you can take those guys ideally with mid/late firsts, but even late lottery. You don't take them with a top 5, let alone top 2 pick when not ONE has panned out as of 2018. And like you pointed out, Ingles is a good shooter, so heck he's better than Doncic.

As nice as Ingles is, how many fans would be happy having suffered through a horrible tanking season only to end up with a player like Ingles? As a Mavs fan, I wouldn't and I'd guess as a Suns fan, nor would you.

It's still ridiculous. Each player is their own player. Ntilikina is yet to be determined. Rubio has been a long term NBA starter, and starter on the hottest team in the west right now.

Drazen Petrovic was a stud. Tony Parker wasn't bad...I gave you a long list before. Heck, Doncic has the size of forward and is more of a good passing forward...Toni Kukoc you could mention, though he's a bit smaller and better distributor and can be more of a primary initiator...or Boris Diaw.

Of course he is far better at his age than any of those guys...better than Dirk at 20, who shot 20% from 3 as a rookie with 8 pts and 3 boards or something.

But you've been trolling and derailing this thread with the same nonsense for weeks without providing any real insight or really anything new to the conversation. I think everyone is well aware of your thoughts on him so please move on if you'd like to continue posting here.

[juanc]

Call me crazy but I think Luka can actually be a Klay lever shooter in few years

[daoneandonly]

I didn't make any racist accusations. Just noticed you picked guys that were primarily shooters to compare him to, and both are non shooters. But they are also both white foreign players you happened to pick out. You've pointed it out plenty with all your eastern hemsiphere, players across the atlantic crap you posted as well.

Yeah because those guards like Exum, Rubio, Hezonja and soon to be Nkinnia never pan out as expected regardless of skin tone, that makes no difference or has any barring. Maybe it's a product of never playing against elite level competition in their youth, i don't know. but it does not seem to impact the bigs as much as evidenced by Dirk (white), Giannis, dad Sabonis (white), Jokic (white), and Porzingas (white). It's a factor GM's should be mindful of when taking someone so high, if we were talking picks 7 and beyond, sure, take Doncic no worries.

That's why I brought up Ingles and Turk, you can take those guys ideally with mid/late firsts, but even late lottery. You don't take them with a top 5, let alone top 2 pick when not ONE has panned out as of 2018. And like you pointed out, Ingles is a good shooter, so heck he's better than Doncic.

As nice as Ingles is, how many fans would be happy having suffered through a horrible tanking season only to end up with a player like Ingles? As a Mavs fan, I wouldn't and I'd guess as a Suns fan, nor would you.

It's still ridiculous. Each player is their own player. Ntilikina is yet to be determined. Rubio has been a long term NBA starter, and starter on the hottest team in the west right now.

Drazen Petrovic was a stud. Tony Parker wasn't bad...I gave you a long list before. Heck, Doncic has the size of forward and is more of a good passing forward...Toni Kukoc you could mention, though he's a bit smaller and better distributor and can be more of a primary initiator...or Boris Diaw.

Of course he is far better at his age than any of those guys...better than Dirk at 20, who shot 20% from 3 as a rookie with 8 pts and 3 boards or something.

But you've been trolling and derailing this thread with the same nonsense for weeks without providing any real insight or really anything new to the conversation. I think everyone is well aware of your thoughts on him so please move on if you'd like to continue posting here.

My hope is that the Suns draft him, then see how you feel about him in 2-3 years.

And bravo to Rubio, the #5 pick who just MAY make the playoffs for the first time in his entire career in year 2018.

[clyde21]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

Klay is a far better shooter and elite defender, I don't see him reaching those heights. I think if you compare him to a Warrior, he's more Iggy or Livingston without the D

Maybe a better spot up shooter, but Doncic is the better shooter off the dribble for sure.

I can see a blend of Shaun Livingston and Klay Thompson...which again is a really good skill set.

[narcolepsy]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

He will never be nearly as good of a defender as Klay is. Also Klay is more of a spot up shooter, while Luka takes mostly pull up threes. I do hope his shot is going to continue to improve to reach elte level.

[bwgood77]

Yeah because those guards like Exum, Rubio, Hezonja and soon to be Nkinnia never pan out as expected regardless of skin tone, that makes no difference or has any barring. Maybe it's a product of never playing against elite level competition in their youth, i don't know. but it does not seem to impact the bigs as much as evidenced by Dirk (white), Giannis, dad Sabonis (white), Jokic (white), and Porzingas (white). It's a factor GM's should be mindful of when taking someone so high, if we were talking picks 7 and beyond, sure, take Doncic no worries.

That's why I brought up Ingles and Turk, you can take those guys ideally with mid/late firsts, but even late lottery. You don't take them with a top 5, let alone top 2 pick when not ONE has panned out as of 2018. And like you pointed out, Ingles is a good shooter, so heck he's better than Doncic.

As nice as Ingles is, how many fans would be happy having suffered through a horrible tanking season only to end up with a player like Ingles? As a Mavs fan, I wouldn't and I'd guess as a Suns fan, nor would you.

It's still ridiculous. Each player is their own player. Ntilikina is yet to be determined. Rubio has been a long term NBA starter, and starter on the hottest team in the west right now.

Drazen Petrovic was a stud. Tony Parker wasn't bad...I gave you a long list before. Heck, Doncic has the size of forward and is more of a good passing forward...Toni Kukoc you could mention, though he's a bit smaller and better distributor and can be more of a primary initiator...or Boris Diaw.

Of course he is far better at his age than any of those guys...better than Dirk at 20, who shot 20% from 3 as a rookie with 8 pts and 3 boards or something.

But you've been trolling and derailing this thread with the same nonsense for weeks without providing any real insight or really anything new to the conversation. I think everyone is well aware of your thoughts on him so please move on if you'd like to continue posting here.

My hope is that the Suns draft him, then see how you feel about him in 2-3 years.

And bravo to Rubio, the #5 pick who just MAY make the playoffs for the first time in his entire career in year 2018.

I hope to see it too. I agree, bravo to Rubio who had to suffer under Kahn and company for years, who had MInnesota even in pt differential when he played last year but the worst team on the floor when he sat...nice of him to find a situation that works well for him.

[bwgood77]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

I think his play more closely resembles Harden's play style. And just the all around game....

Doncic is putting up stronger overall numbers against tougher competition at a similar point. Passing, finishing and getting to the line are Harden's biggest strengths and Doncic is better at those things at the same age (much better at passing) and is also the better rebounder.

Harden as a freshman averaged 20.9, 6.2 and 3.8 per 40
Doncic this year averages 25, 8.7 and 7.3 per 40

Doncic didn't shoot as well from 3 but from 2 much better 60.1% to 57.6%

Doncic also got to the line even more, if you can believe that...8.2 per 40 vs 7.7..and shot better from the line 81.1% to 75.4%, so knocked down more free throws per 40 as well..6.7 to 5.8 per 40.

Does some similar stuff to Harden with his start/stop motions..

Watch on YouTube

[UcanUwill]

Klay is probably the worst comparison I heard so far.

[BlueSan]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

Klay is a far better shooter and elite defender, I don't see him reaching those heights. I think if you compare him to a Warrior, he's more Iggy or Livingston without the D

I know we are going to see loads and loads of comparison mentioned for Doncic no matter what, but the above just made me burst out in laughter

P.S. I am not talking about Klay comparison

[daoneandonly]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

Klay is a far better shooter and elite defender, I don't see him reaching those heights. I think if you compare him to a Warrior, he's more Iggy or Livingston without the D

I know we are going to see loads and loads of comparison mentioned for Doncic no matter what, but the above just made me burst out in laughter

You mean comparing him to one of the best 3&D guys in the league? I'd have to agree since he doesn't have either in his repertoire at the moment. A Klay Thompson with great handles, playmaking abilities and can attack is essentially the best player in the NBA.

[BlueSan]

no no Livingston and Iggy

[daoneandonly]

no no Livingston and Iggy

He's closer to those guys than he is Klay. And i'm not saying he is close to those guys, just that if he's going to be compared to a Warrior, he's far from Klay Thompson.

[clyde21]

Luka Doncic is Klay Thompson but with a handle, playmaking and ability to get to the rim. That is a GREAT player in the NBA.

I think his play more closely resembles Harden's play style. And just the all around game....

Doncic is putting up stronger overall numbers against tougher competition at a similar point. Passing, finishing and getting to the line are Harden's biggest strengths and Doncic is better at those things at the same age (much better at passing) and is also the better rebounder.

Harden as a freshman averaged 20.9, 6.2 and 3.8 per 40
Doncic this year averages 25, 8.7 and 7.3 per 40

Doncic didn't shoot as well from 3 but from 2 much better 60.1% to 57.6%

Doncic also got to the line even more, if you can believe that...8.2 per 40 vs 7.7..and shot better from the line 81.1% to 75.4%, so knocked down more free throws per 40 as well..6.7 to 5.8 per 40.

Does some similar stuff to Harden with his start/stop motions..

Watch on YouTube

You know what? I actually really like the Harden comparison. I didn't see it at first because they have very different body types but the skill sets are definitely comparable.

[peja_the_legend]

there is absolutely nothing in common between Doncic and Harden or Klay Thompson.He has nowhere the first step or ball handling of Harden or quick release and defensive ability of Thompson.But ppl are desperate to find some relatively unathletic superstars to compare Doncic to,because saying that he's the new Gallinari or Turkoglu,which he is, doesnt sound that exciting for a potential #1 pick

[Nikson]

I think he is between EMJ and LB. Will be. A bit smaller.

[MrTwister]

there is absolutely nothing in common between Doncic and Harden or Klay Thompson.He has nowhere the first step or ball handling of Harden or quick release and defensive ability of Thompson.But ppl are desperate to find some relatively unathletic superstars to compare Doncic to,because saying that he's the new Gallinari or Turkoglu,which he is, doesnt sound that exciting for a potential #1 pick

That's because it's so original and adequate to compare euro wing prospects to Gallo and Turkoglu, it almost never happens. Intriguing comparison.

[daoneandonly]

there is absolutely nothing in common between Doncic and Harden or Klay Thompson.He has nowhere the first step or ball handling of Harden or quick release and defensive ability of Thompson.But ppl are desperate to find some relatively unathletic superstars to compare Doncic to,because saying that he's the new Gallinari or Turkoglu,which he is, doesnt sound that exciting for a potential #1 pick

That's because it's so original and adequate to compare euro wing prospects to Gallo and Turkoglu, it almost never happens. Intriguing comparison.

Again, people make it about race, it's not. He's closer to those guysx than Thompson or Harden, and I won't even acknowledge the guy who dare mentioned Magic or Lebron, just wow.