RAPM Stats and Rankings

Post #1 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:54 pm

Where are these? I've seen spreadsheets floating around but if anyone knows where there is one that is maintained and can be used it would be appreciated. If you could link it then I will move this thread to the Statistical Analysis forum.

PistolPeteJR · Post #2 » by **PistolPeteJR** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:58 pm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Copy and paste to Excel and sort.

First Step · Post #3 » by **First Step** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:04 pm

Any statistic that has LeBron James ranked 81st is highly suspect. I don't care what context it is.

clyde21 · Post #4 » by **clyde21** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:10 pm

Top 10

Gil · Post #5 » by **Gil** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:46 pm

clyde21 wrote:Top 10

Lol. Garbage.

clyde21 · Post #6 » by **clyde21** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:55 pm

Gil wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Top 10

Lol. Garbage.

Didn't you use RPM in another thread to boost one of your arguments?

Cavsfansince84 · Post #7 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:00 pm

The problem with rapm as with most any metric is when people try to use it above any other metric as a way to compare players. No single metric really works that way. If you are going to use metrics then use 4-5. Don't rely on just one or two.

yoyoboy · Post #8 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:16 pm

First Step wrote:Any statistic that has LeBron James ranked 81st is highly suspect. I don't care what context it is.

It's an amazing stat. But it's not something that can be taken at face value. Role has to be accounted for and it's very prone to errors in the case of smaller samples, which is why single-year RAPM isn't very accurate, and prior-informed is much more valuable. In the case of LeBron, he's played a league-leading 2709 minutes this year and he's been a part of some horribly performing lineups involving Thomas/Crowder/Tristan/JR/Rose/etc that haven't seen enough minutes without LeBron due to the fact that he hasn't missed any time and Lue has very odd rotation patterns that have involved almost the entire bench coming in for the starters.

Since the bench has played so well all year while the starters other than LeBron and Love have been awful, RAPM needs to assign some negative values to the starters, but unfortunately there isn't a good enough sample size of "off the court" data for LeBron for it to accurately isolate his impact. In the 2014-15 he missed a good number of games and the team completely fell apart without him, which explains why he posted an extremely high +8.77, far higher than anyone else in the league that year. Though you could definitely argue that he's been a more impactful player this year than that season (worse on defense, but also clearly better on offense).

With guys like Curry and Paul and Embiid, they've all missed significant time, so we've gotten the chance to see just how valuable they are to their teams. Furthermore, they all lead amazing starting units while LeBron has played with some pretty extreme liabilities this season in the starting lineup, which is difficult for RAPM to truly recognize without a greater sample.

Post #9 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:03 pm

yoyoboy wrote:
First Step wrote:Any statistic that has LeBron James ranked 81st is highly suspect. I don't care what context it is.

It's an amazing stat. But it's not something that can be taken at face value. Role has to be accounted for and it's very prone to errors in the case of smaller samples, which is why single-year RAPM isn't very accurate, and prior-informed is much more valuable. In the case of LeBron, he's played a league-leading 2709 minutes this year and he's been a part of some horribly performing lineups involving Thomas/Crowder/Tristan/JR/Rose/etc that haven't seen enough minutes without LeBron due to the fact that he hasn't missed any time and Lue has very odd rotation patterns that have involved almost the entire bench coming in for the starters.

Since the bench has played so well all year while the starters other than LeBron and Love have been awful, RAPM needs to assign some negative values to the starters, but unfortunately there isn't a good enough sample size of "off the court" data for LeBron for it to accurately isolate his impact. In the 2014-15 he missed a good number of games and the team completely fell apart without him, which explains why he posted an extremely high +8.77, far higher than anyone else in the league that year. Though you could definitely argue that he's been a more impactful player this year than that season (worse on defense, but also clearly better on offense).

With guys like Curry and Paul and Embiid, they've all missed significant time, so we've gotten the chance to see just how valuable they are to their teams. Furthermore, they all lead amazing starting units while LeBron has played with some pretty extreme liabilities this season in the starting lineup, which is difficult for RAPM to truly recognize without a greater sample.

Interesting he's ranked 4th on ORAPM and 512th on DRAPM.

Post #10 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:44 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Copy and paste to Excel and sort.

Is there one of these for this year?

Post #11 » by **bondom34** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:04 am

bwgood77 wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Copy and paste to Excel and sort.

Is there one of these for this year?

http://www.apbr.org/metrics/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9480&start=195#p33433

It updates regularly it seems.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQdG8Zv84zqKEzETDjd8KPsClcw9bPETX9v_x_KEAxjv9NrFaWikOoiSaciy1jbMiygg2D-V8DUQn0O/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

Post #12 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:16 pm

bondom34 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Copy and paste to Excel and sort.

Is there one of these for this year?

http://www.apbr.org/metrics/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9480&start=195#p33433

It updates regularly it seems.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQdG8Zv84zqKEzETDjd8KPsClcw9bPETX9v_x_KEAxjv9NrFaWikOoiSaciy1jbMiygg2D-V8DUQn0O/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

Do you know where this is for 2019-20?

Post #13 » by **bondom34** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:52 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Is there one of these for this year?

http://www.apbr.org/metrics/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9480&start=195#p33433

It updates regularly it seems.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQdG8Zv84zqKEzETDjd8KPsClcw9bPETX9v_x_KEAxjv9NrFaWikOoiSaciy1jbMiygg2D-V8DUQn0O/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

Do you know where this is for 2019-20?

Different person ran this, but he's kept it up well (Ryan Davis, Partnow uses his stuff on the Athletic sometimes I believe):

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1109440799

Post #14 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:43 pm

bondom34 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:http://www.apbr.org/metrics/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9480&start=195#p33433

It updates regularly it seems.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQdG8Zv84zqKEzETDjd8KPsClcw9bPETX9v_x_KEAxjv9NrFaWikOoiSaciy1jbMiygg2D-V8DUQn0O/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

Do you know where this is for 2019-20?

Different person ran this, but he's kept it up well (Ryan Davis, Partnow uses his stuff on the Athletic sometimes I believe):

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1109440799

Thanks