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Post#4361 » by Hair Canada » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:48 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Hadn't seen this posted yet. It's official: R.J. Barrett named Gatorade Boys Basketball Player of the Year

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Seems Duke alum, Jayson Tatum, pulled up to a restaurant where RJ and his family were eating to present him the trophy. Fun stuff.


Actually, there's a video out there of how it happened. The family was going out from their hotel to celebrate and then Tatum got out of their car with the trophy. Yes, pretty fun stuff.
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Post#4362 » by Hair Canada » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:17 am

Lindell Wigginton will be testing the draft water. Had a great rookie year and might actually have a chance, although he reserves the option of going back to Iowan State.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22850689/lindell-wigginton-iowa-state-cyclones-test-nba-draft-waters
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Post#4363 » by SharoneWright » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:21 am

^
smart.

a bit of a hot commodity right now. who knows how next year goes at IowaSt..
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Post#4364 » by Patman » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:24 am

SharoneWright wrote:^
smart.

a bit of a hot commodity right now. who knows how next year goes at IowaSt..


Wrong Celtic. It was Jason Taytum, not Smart.
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Post#4365 » by Hair Canada » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:07 am

Kelly Olynyk has been ridiculous his last two games: 26 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists (!), 2 blocks and a steal, shooting 80% from the line 70% from the field, and 60% from 3 (3 makes a game). Obviously, that's not going to last, but he's been having a very good season. Probably the only player from last year's Celtics who is actually playing better after he left Brad Stevens' system.

With the way that Olynyk, Powell, and Lyles have been playing this year, our future frontcourt really looks promising.
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Post#4366 » by mojo13 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:38 am

The Heat posted a 159 offensive rating with him on the floor tonight. He has been really good lately as the Heat have really figured out how to let him play.
Allot of Heat fans grumbled about his signing this summer but they are starting to admit he might be the most important player on the Heat.

His unique skill set is accentuated in FIBA ball and thus I think he is still the most important player to the SMNT. That shooting and passing sure opens up the floor and could make guys like Wiggins, Lyles and Powell much more potent.
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Post#4367 » by duppyy » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:12 am

Bad game for Shai today.
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Post#4368 » by TheFutureMM » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:34 pm

New "All-Canadian" High-School Showcase has been blessed by the NBA. Pretty interesting - so now we are going to have BioSteel and this? Anyways, for all of you Canadian Basketball Politics junkies, help me understand why Dort and Brazdeikis aren't playing in this one despite the fact that Nembhard / Barrett are.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/22885214/nba-certifies-signature-all-canadian-showcase-high-school-players

As well, interesting thought on AJ Lawson potentially making the jump from high-school after this year. Hair Canada, think he can do it?
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Post#4369 » by Hair Canada » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:33 pm

TheFutureMM wrote:New "All-Canadian" High-School Showcase has been blessed by the NBA. Pretty interesting - so now we are going to have BioSteel and this? Anyways, for all of you Canadian Basketball Politics junkies, help me understand why Dort and Brazdeikis aren't playing in this one despite the fact that Nembhard / Barrett are.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/22885214/nba-certifies-signature-all-canadian-showcase-high-school-players

As well, interesting thought on AJ Lawson potentially making the jump from high-school after this year. Hair Canada, think he can do it?


Ah, the joys of Canadian high school basketball politics. I could write a whole post on it (maybe one day I will). For now, enough to say that I'm not surprised by this latest development. The BioSteel has become steeped in political decisions. Some of the players that should be no-brainers are not there, at least some due to draconian regulations and others may be due to other commitments.

In general, if you look at the lists of players for both of these, it's pretty clear that one event (BioSteel) is geared more toward the CIA Bounce AAU players and the other (the Signature event) much more heavily involves the Uplay players or ones somehow associated with that camp. It's not a 100% distinction of course, but might certainly be part of the reason that Dort and Brezdaikis will not participate in this second event (though there might be other commitments that I'm not aware of here).

Anyway, for me, the greatest snobbing from both events is actually Dalano Banton. I really don't understand why he's not at least in one of them. Again, maybe there's something I don't know. One other big name missing from the BioSteel is Makur Maker, Thon's cousin. He was the MVP of last year's future event, but this year was not even in consideration, while 4 or 5 other class of 2020 guys were invited.

Overall, I'm not against more opportunity to watch the top Canadian talent and showcasing their abilities. Just wish this was not a matter of internal feuds.

As for Lawson, I think he's clearly not ready for the next level. The NPH guys have been hyping him for a long time now (he's pretty much the face of their NPA league), and he's had a very good showing at Allstar weak, but he's just not there yet. His body is still extremely thin and it's very hard for him to finish with contact even at the high school level. Can't see him compete efficiently at a top NCAA program next year. He's never going to be bulky, but he's one of the players that I think can profit most from another year in high school and more physical and mental maturity. The potential is there and there are some things about him I really like. but there's so much still to improve, including outside shooting and overall consistency within and between games. I'd be quite surprised if he makes the jump to the college level this year and I think it would be a mistake.
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Post#4370 » by Hair Canada » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:36 pm

Good read from ESPN Insider on Mfiondu Kabengele, the lone Canadian still dancing, before his Elite Eight game today against Michigan. The story includes some interesting history and personal background. Seems like he's even bigger and longer than I thought, but otherwise pretty much in line with what I've seen from him -- great activity and mobility, along with a developing skillset. Very interesting prospect -- something like a more bulky version of Chris Boucher.

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The Seminoles have their hands full with Moritz Wagner, but this could be an excellent opportunity for FSU redshirt freshman big man Mfiondu Kabengele to prove himself. At 6-10, 250 pounds with a 7-4 wingspan, excellent mobility and a strong motor, Kabengele is emerging as a legitimate long-term prospect whom NBA scouts would be wise to start tracking. Although he comes off the pine for coach Leonard Hamilton, Kabengele has the tools, agility and physicality to both track Wagner on the perimeter and battle him on the interior. Although Kabengele played only 14 minutes in Florida State's win over Gonzaga due to the Seminoles' decision to go ultrasmall, the Burlington, Ontario, native still had a major impact by blocking four shots and playing with tremendous activity on both ends of the floor. Over his past five games Kabengele is averaging 20.4 points, 12.3 rebounds and 3.8 blocks per 40 minutes, giving scouts a glimpse of what he could become with continual development both physically and skillwise.

It's no surprise that it's taken the 20-year-old redshirt freshman time to pop up on the NBA radar given his trajectory. Kabengele stood only 6-5 as a senior in Ontario with no Division I offers to his name. During the summer after his senior season he picked up offers from Vermont and Binghamton but eventually opted to play a year at Don Bosco Prep Academy in Indiana.

"Really long and athletic," remembers Binghamton assistant coach Herb Courtney, who recruited Kabengele while he was in Ontario. "Still had to grow into his body. You can tell he was skilled but didn't know how to use it to his advantage. It was only a matter of time before he figured it out. Inconsistent jump shot but had good mechanics. I liked him a lot."

He grew to 6-8 while at Don Bosco and high-major programs were intrigued by his physical profile, activity and budding skill set. He eventually committed to Florida State but redshirted his first season due to the front-line depth the Seminoles already featured, including eventual top-10 pick Jonathan Isaac. Kabengele looked to the advice of another former big man who sat out his first year on campus: his uncle, Dikembe Mutombo.

"I talk to him all my life, obviously, but really more so ever since I started playing," Kabengele said. "When it comes to basketball I always talk to him about how to practice, how to prepare for games, what to eat, what not to eat, travel. He gives me a lot of good advice on how to deal with things, especially when I got redshirted because he got redshirted too. I asked him how he developed over the years so he's been good with that."

Kabengele's parents -- Tshilongo and Tshimanga Kabengele -- hail from Congo, the birthplace of the now 51-year-old, finger-wagging Hall of Famer Mutombo. Kabengele's father eventually moved to Canada to study at the University of Toronto. When the Denver Nuggets drafted Mutombo No. 4 overall out of Georgetown in 1991, Kabengele's mother and the rest of the family moved to North America as well. Mfiondu Kabengele was born six years later, and after a somewhat slow start to his NCAA career the 6-10 big man will now face one of the top offensive centers in the NCAA in the Elite Eight.

"Once it was my time I was ready to go and now we're here," Kabengele said.

Regardless of how he fares against Wagner and the Wolverines, Kabengele has introduced himself to NBA scouts with his length, physicality, motor and steadily improving skill set. Projecting more as a modern center long-term, he's an active rim protector, switches onto the perimeter, has sound instincts on the backboards and brings touch in midrange spots on offense while looking fairly comfortable attacking in a straight line.

With that said, he's not freaky explosive vertically and is still at a fairly early stage of his development. He also needs to add discipline on both ends of the floor, while continuing to get into better shape.

"I want to be able to be a stretch-4 and guard the perimeter so I can play that position," Kabengele said. "Ball handling, my shooting can get better, post work, my footwork is kind of sloppy sometimes but this body is kind of new. Making sure I get my physical right and then my footwork ... I want to be a pro. That's my goal. I know I'm not there yet. My goal is to be an NBA player and potentially be a great NBA player and be on a good team and have a good career."
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Post#4371 » by mojo13 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:33 pm

Nice read thanks.
I was at the GU v FSU game, but totally forgot he was playing (need to pay better attention to our NCAA guys). The Zags were completely dominated defensively. There were undersized to begin with and losing Tillie just before top off Just crushed them. Kabengele was great defensively and really limited Jonathan Williams and Rui Hachimura inside - who is a projected lottery pick. It was clear Hachimura hadn’t played against NBA quality size and mobility before. Tough game for the Zags - I think the stretchyness and size of Tillie would have swung the game to the Zags. Didn’t look like much offensive skill for FSU but they just dominated the Zags with defensive size and athletism.


Speaking of the Zags, saw this a few days back. Jasikevicius on Zalgiris success: "Last year we were 10 players team, but now we know who's our leader. It's Kevin Pangos. He's ready to lead every Euroleague team. We are happy to have such players like Jankunas & Ulanovas for many years, but Kevin lifts us to the highest level"

High praise from his coach and one of the best Euro PGs of all time. Once again it is looking like KP is our best PG after CoJo and Murray if you have Murray as a PG. He’d easily be my choice as a backup guard overs guys like Ennis, Staukas, Scrubb, Heslip if we ever had everyone available.
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Post#4372 » by Hair Canada » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:27 pm

Meanwhile, the season is coming to a close in the OSBA (The Ontario high school prep league), which is the best high school league in Canada. Thursday and yesterday they played the elite eight and the final four and today is the championship game. Both the AI teams (AI Prep and Orangeville Prep) did not make it to the finals, which at least in the case of Orangeville was quite surprising.

Orangeville, with Iggy Brazdeikis, Keshaun Saunders, Junior Farquhar, and Shamar Rahtan-Mayes, lost by 20 points to Ridley College, where the Bediako brothers play, in what is probably the upset of the year. Iggy gave one of the worst games that I've seen from him (still ended up with 20 points), but that happens. His teammates though were also really weak and played very deflated basketball. Particularly Keshaun Saunders, who's their second best player and again disappointed me quite a lot. They were also missing Matthew Alexander Moncrieffe, who despite his young age is probably their best defensive player and was injured in the QF.

AI Prep lost to probably the best team in the league -- TRC Academy from Guelph. TRC doesn’t have anyone who has NBA potential (probably not even a leading role in a high-major NCAA potential), but it's a team of really solid high school seniors. This includes the youngest Ejim brother, Dion, who from what I've seen over the years is not as talented as Melvin, but is giving a really good tournament. The other player worth mentioning from this team is Adong Makuoi, a 6'9 long center, who has great defensive skills, mobility, and competitiveness. Not at all a polished offensive player, but someone I'd take to my team in a heartbeat if I was an NCAA coach.

The few other notable players from the games that I've seen:

Clearly, the two best and most promising players in the league are Brezdaikis and Dort. Iggy gave his usual 40 points in the first game but was quite weak in the SF as I said. Dort was clearly the best player in this tournament. In the two games (QF and SF), I think his stats were something like 45 points, 15 rebounds, and about 4-5 steals and blocks. Simply unstoppable at this level. He didn't assist much, but that was not his fault. He just had very little help. Addison Patterson has not been playing most of the season (probably injured), and players like Sam Rautins and Jevonnie Scott were really weak. So Dort just kept AI in games pretty much by himself until the last quarter when he ran out of gas. He has a nice 3-point stroke, although not much elevation on the shot, and he is so strong and athletic that no one can stop him on the way to the basket. At the college level, it's going to be harder, but he'll still be able to get to the basket and draw fouls. Doesn't have too much finesse around the basket and should still improve his handle, but I think he'll be really good at Arizona State in the next few years.

The Bediako Brothers are a real force at this level and were key in the Ridley upset in the SF. Right now, especially the older one – Jaden, who is still heavy, but has good defensive instincts and an imposing body and wingspan. Charles is the better athlete and maybe long-term potential of the two, but still needs a lot of development and strengthening.

Thornlea prep also had two players who stood out. The first is Daniel Sackey, who I think was part of Canada’s junior national team in the last U17 world championship. Only 5’10, but lightning quick and great athlete, who might also be a force in college. The other is Jonathan Kabongo, Myck’s brother, who has a great shooting stroke (shot 8 threes in the QFs), but at this point not much beyond that.

Finally, perhaps the most impressive individual performance (beside Dort) came from a nine grader – Ryan Nembhard (Andrew’s brother) in Vaughn’s tight QF game against AI. Ryan showed great awareness and vision, finishing with 22 points, 13 assists, 8 rebounds, and a couple of steals. I love how he controls the pace of the game and rarely makes bad decisions. A bit similar to SGA in how he plays – not rushed but very mature. Not bad for a 14yo. Still only about 6’0 or 6’1, so hopefully he can still add a couple of inches. From what I hear, next year he’s going to follow his brother’s path and join Montverde, possibly together with Caleb Houstan, who I mentioned before as the most talented player from the 2022 class. If that happens, they’ll be following in the footsteps of RJ and Andrew, which would continue the nice Canadian tradition in what might be the most successful high school basketball program in North America over the last few years.
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Post#4373 » by Hair Canada » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:20 am

The Pacers beat the Heat in overtime tonight. Olynyk and Joseph both came off the bench and played well. Of particular interest, they were both not far from a triple-double. Kelly was missing only one rebound and one assist, and Co-Jo one point and three assists. Made me wonder: Did any Canadian, except for Stevie Wonder, ever record a triple-double? As far as I can tell, the answer is no. Seems to me that Olynyk would have the best chance of reaching this in the near future. Who would you put your money on?
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Post#4374 » by slothrop8 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:42 pm

Hair Canada wrote: Seems to me that Olynyk would have the best chance of reaching this in the near future. Who would you put your money on?


Murray is likely the obvious answer - he had a 9/7/9 on Feb 23 and a 21/8/7 on Dec 27 - both pretty close. For most of the Canadians in the league currently - the assists will be stumbling block. You want a super dark horse - if we get to the end of the year and have a game between two bottom feeders where Vucevic and Biyombo are out and Khem Birch has to play 40 minutes - he might be able to do it with points/rebounds/blocks. Obviously blocking 10 shots in a game is ultra rare - but Birch had 12/10/4 blks in 18 minutes on Jan 16th. Under the right kind of conditions, its not totally out of the question, though obviously we're talking a super longshot there.
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Post#4375 » by mojo13 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 pm

Hair Canada wrote:The Pacers beat the Heat in overtime tonight. Olynyk and Joseph both came off the bench and played well. Of particular interest, they were both not far from a triple-double. Kelly was missing only one rebound and one assist, and Co-Jo one point and three assists. Made me wonder: Did any Canadian, except for Stevie Wonder, ever record a triple-double? As far as I can tell, the answer is no. Seems to me that Olynyk would have the best chance of reaching this in the near future. Who would you put your money on?


Would have to be Olynyk and then CoJo just like last night. Triple double guys are usually facilitating bigs like Lebron, Jokic, Gasol, Olynyk or most frequently, big, rebounding PGs - like Kidd, Westbrook, Ball, Rondo. Seems like CoJo can sometimes do that when given big minutes.

I don't really see the rebounds with Murray - but he could have a shot (but he'd need to be way over his norm on both rbds and assist). XRM is the type of big rebounding PG if he ever stuck in the NBA. He has had plenty of triple doubles in the G already. Shai could be that type of PG - but who knows what his role will be in the NBA.

Would RJ ever fit that mold? I'm not sure what type of facilitator he'll be at the NBA level.


Edit: I stand corrected on Murray above. I don't think we will ever see ten blocks out of Khem though. How many times has that ever happened in the last 5 years? (Probably all done by Whiteside and Davis).That would be wild though....
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Post#4376 » by slothrop8 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:15 pm

mojo13 wrote:

Edit: I stand corrected on Murray above. I don't think we will ever see ten blocks out of Khem though. How many times has that ever happened in the last 5 years? (Probably all done by Whiteside and Davis).That would be wild though....


Like I said, super long shot. There have been 10 blocks in a game 6 times in the last 5 years - Whiteside 4 times, Davis once, Joakim Noah once. So, highly unlikely of course. However, you do sometimes get these games at the end of the season where teams get beat up and it's too late to bother signing anyone to a 10 day - and you get games where you only dress 9 guys or something and freak stat lines happen. With the Raptors for example Lucas Nogueira could block 10 shots in a game if he had to play 40 minutes some night for some reason. Highly unlikely for Birch of course, but not completely impossible. Slightly more likely in my mind than say Lyles or Powell falling into 10 assists somehow.

Of course, nobody mentioned Wiggins yet - but he has had a 9 assist game. My order of likelihood probably goes something like this:

Murray>Olynyk>Joseph>Wiggins - then Birch/Powell/Lyles would be the real longshots.
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Post#4377 » by Hair Canada » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:19 pm

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Hair Canada wrote:The Pacers beat the Heat in overtime tonight. Olynyk and Joseph both came off the bench and played well. Of particular interest, they were both not far from a triple-double. Kelly was missing only one rebound and one assist, and Co-Jo one point and three assists. Made me wonder: Did any Canadian, except for Stevie Wonder, ever record a triple-double? As far as I can tell, the answer is no. Seems to me that Olynyk would have the best chance of reaching this in the near future. Who would you put your money on?


Would have to be Olynyk and then CoJo just like last night. Triple double guys are usually facilitating bigs like Lebron, Jokic, Gasol, Olynyk or most frequently, big, rebounding PGs - like Kidd, Westbrook, Ball, Rondo. Seems like CoJo can sometimes do that when given big minutes.

I don't really see the rebounds with Murray - but he could have a shot (but he'd need to be way over his norm on both rbds and assist). XRM is the type of big rebounding PG if he ever stuck in the NBA. He has had plenty of triple doubles in the G already. Shai could be that type of PG - but who knows what his role will be in the NBA.

Would RJ ever fit that mold? I'm not sure what type of facilitator he'll be at the NBA level.


Edit: I stand corrected on Murray above. I don't think we will ever see ten blocks out of Khem though. How many times has that ever happened in the last 5 years? (Probably all done by Whiteside and Davis).That would be wild though....


Yes, I think in a couple of years RJ might be the most likely option. He actually has a really good vision and is a very willing passer who can certainly create for others. Showed that in the U19 WC. I think especially if he's paired with bigs who can finish well, he'll be able to put up excellent assist numbers. And he'll also be an excellent rebounder and scorer of course. His best-case scenario is really something like Harden, and if that happens he'll be putting up TD performances right and left. No guarantees of course, but the potential is certainly there. We'll have a bit of a glimpse at that next year in Duke, playing alongside some other good scorers in Williamson and Reddish.
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Post#4378 » by TheFutureMM » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:50 pm

Hair Canada wrote:The Pacers beat the Heat in overtime tonight. Olynyk and Joseph both came off the bench and played well. Of particular interest, they were both not far from a triple-double. Kelly was missing only one rebound and one assist, and Co-Jo one point and three assists. Made me wonder: Did any Canadian, except for Stevie Wonder, ever record a triple-double? As far as I can tell, the answer is no. Seems to me that Olynyk would have the best chance of reaching this in the near future. Who would you put your money on?


Definitely Olynyk. He's such a great passer - he would be bound to get one eventually with a consistent 35 minutes a game. Just don't know if he's fast enough to play the 4 or long enough defensively to play the 5 on a playoff team as a starter.
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Post#4379 » by mojo13 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:35 am

Nice read on Bennett in the G.
https://www.ridiculousupside.com/platform/amp/2018/3/24/17160124/how-anthony-bennett-g-league-maine-red-claws-nba?utm_campaign=ridiculousupside&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Also rumors that the Celts will sign him for the rest of the season if they can get a hardship waiver.

Another great game by Olynyk tonight. And some blurbs on Twitter with local reporters asking Murray if he want to play for Canada this summer. Said he wants to as long as he is healthy.
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Post#4380 » by Hair Canada » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:13 pm

mojo13 wrote:Nice read on Bennett in the G.
https://www.ridiculousupside.com/platform/amp/2018/3/24/17160124/how-anthony-bennett-g-league-maine-red-claws-nba?utm_campaign=ridiculousupside&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Also rumors that the Celts will sign him for the rest of the season if they can get a hardship waiver.

Another great game by Olynyk tonight. And some blurbs on Twitter with local reporters asking Murray if he want to play for Canada this summer. Said he wants to as long as he is healthy.


Interesting, thanks. Would really be great if Bennett can make it, but I think even in this article you can see that he's a delicate soul. Seems like he needs the perfect setting: a system that maximizes his strengths, a coach that trusts him without a question and the freedom to make mistakes and stay on the court. While you could argue that any player needs these things, it seems that with Bennett, when it's not going his way he crumbles under the pressure and doesn't have much resiliency. People change and mature, but it seems like this is still a major issue that might hold him back even if he gets another shot at the league.
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