Political Roundtable Part XIX

[TGW]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

Pro tip: CNN and MSNBC are not members of #TheResistance. They're in this to make money, and Trump is helping them quite a bit in that regard. And lol at citing Trump's approval rating. He's peaking at a blistering 42%! Wow!

Pretty sure TGW is a low key Trump supporter.

And I'm pretty sure you're an idiot. On my ignore list you go with stilladumbass...you're in great company, Hillary buttkisser.

[gtn130]

TGW thus far:

-absolutely hates Hillary and did not vote for her
-hates Democrats
-is not forthcoming about who he voted for
-loves Trump's use of 'Fake News' and openly supports it
-hates CNN and MSNBC
-eagerly watches Trump's approval rating and is touting it being up 1%

[FAH1223]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

Pro tip: CNN and MSNBC are not members of #TheResistance. They're in this to make money, and Trump is helping them quite a bit in that regard. And lol at citing Trump's approval rating. He's peaking at a blistering 42%! Wow!

Pretty sure TGW is a low key Trump supporter.

And I'm pretty sure you're an idiot. On my ignore list you go with stilladumbass...you're in great company, Hillary buttkisser.

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[Kanyewest]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

Maybe the tide has turned according to the CNN Poll. But recently the Democrats have won an election in Alabama and won a special election in PA in a District where Trump won by more than 20 points. I wouldn't qualify as Trump as "winning" because he won a poll... yet. But yeah, it looks like Trump hadd a good week for him anyways with sanctions to Russia, avoiding a government shutdown, and staying quiet on Twitter.

[montestewart]

Notice how there is no mea culpa from SD20 after he posts a fake George Washington quote.

He moves right on to the next piece of RWNJ fan fiction without hesitation. He doesn't give a single f**k if anything he's saying is actually true.

Yes, he's routinely busted red handed on 100% made up quotes before. He don't care. Agitprop is his game, and FAKE NEWS just an agitprop device allowing kool aid drinkers to dismiss inconvenient truth, whether that truth comes from news (MSM, FAKE NEWS!), Wikipedia (TECH BILLIONAIRE PROPAGANDA!), the Encyclopedia Britannica (IVORY TOWER ACADEMICS!), Hallmark Cards (LIMP-WRISTED SENTIMENTALISM!), the Bible (LIBERAL REVISIONIST HISTORY!), or his own psychiatrist (PUSHER OF POWERFUL ANTI-PSYCHOTIC DRUGS). When Trump decides he's had enough of the First Amendment, the Constitution will also be FAKE NEWS!

[TGW]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

Maybe the tide has turned according to the CNN Poll. But recently the Democrats have won an election in Alabama and won a special election in PA in a District where Trump won by more than 20 points. I wouldn't qualify as Trump as "winning" because he won a poll... yet. But yeah, it looks like Trump hadd a good week for him anyways with sanctions to Russia, avoiding a government shutdown, and staying quiet on Twitter.

I'm all for a blue wave, but I want the wave to be BLUE. Not blue with speckles of red in there. That's my biggest issue with D's; they run a bunch of DINOs who don't represent Democratic principles. These people are no better than Republicans.

[TGW]

Notice how there is no mea culpa from SD20 after he posts a fake George Washington quote.

He moves right on to the next piece of RWNJ fan fiction without hesitation. He doesn't give a single f**k if anything he's saying is actually true.

Yes, he's routinely busted red handed on 100% made up quotes before. He don't care. Agitprop is his game, and FAKE NEWS just an agitprop device allowing kool aid drinkers to dismiss inconvenient truth, whether that truth comes from news (MSM, FAKE NEWS!), Wikipedia (TECH BILLIONAIRE PROPAGANDA!), the Encyclopedia Britannica (IVORY TOWER ACADEMICS!), Hallmark Cards (LIMP-WRISTED SENTIMENTALISM!), the Bible (LIBERAL REVISIONIST HISTORY!), or his own psychiatrist (PUSHER OF POWERFUL ANTI-PSYCHOTIC DRUGS). When Trump decides he's had enough of the First Amendment, the Constitution will also be FAKE NEWS!

These are Trump supporters in a nutshell:

Watch on YouTube

Facts or empirical evidence means nothing to these people. They are cult members.

[dckingsfan]

TGW thus far:
-absolutely hates Hillary and did not vote for her
-hates Democrats
-is not forthcoming about who he voted for
-loves Trump's use of 'Fake News' and openly supports it
-hates CNN and MSNBC
-eagerly watches Trump's approval rating and is touting it being up 1%

Hmmm, is there a different thread?

- He has made it clear that he thinks the Ds are too close to the Rs and are also corrupt.
- He thinks the Ds should take a hard left.
- He clearly doesn't like Hillary - you know, lots of folks don't
- Hates all the news networks not just CNN and MSNBC
- Hates the news networks because the are caught in the Trump trap and don't follow substantive issues
- And he hates Trump more than Hillary

I don't think he falls neatly into your with us or against us theme...

@TGW - I don't think a hard left will help if we don't actually go to the root of the problems. Hence why I disagree with your approach - but I understand where you are coming from...

[montestewart]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

Maybe the tide has turned according to the CNN Poll. But recently the Democrats have won an election in Alabama and won a special election in PA in a District where Trump won by more than 20 points. I wouldn't qualify as Trump as "winning" because he won a poll... yet. But yeah, it looks like Trump hadd a good week for him anyways with sanctions to Russia, avoiding a government shutdown, and staying quiet on Twitter.

Looking forward, it's hard to predict where such a low number will go. Reagan and Obama had some low numbers, but so did Carter. There is a landslide-like characterization attached by some to Trump's victory, but it was heavily tied to razor thin margins in three rust belt states, against a 3 million popular vote deficit. From where he stands now, he's probably got a ways to go before he can repeat that.

[gtn130]

TGW thus far:
-absolutely hates Hillary and did not vote for her
-hates Democrats
-is not forthcoming about who he voted for
-loves Trump's use of 'Fake News' and openly supports it
-hates CNN and MSNBC
-eagerly watches Trump's approval rating and is touting it being up 1%

Hmmm, is there a different thread?

- He has made it clear that he thinks the Ds are too close to the Rs and are also corrupt.
- He thinks the Ds should take a hard left.
- He clearly doesn't like Hillary - you know, lots of folks don't
- Hates all the news networks not just CNN and MSNBC
- Hates the news networks because the are caught in the Trump trap and don't follow substantive issues
- And he hates Trump more than Hillary

I don't think he falls neatly into your with us or against us theme...

DC, you're imagining things again.

TGW was ranting and raving about how CNN/MSNBC are actively trying to take down Trump in his mind and failing (bigly!) because of Trump's approval rating. That has absolutely nothing to do with demanding more policy substance in the news.

Also, lots of folks hating Hillary is not noteworthy and means absolutely nothing. I'm very aware that huge swaths of morons think Hillary planned Benghazi, and sending emails via private server is high treason. Lock her up!!!

People believing things in large number does not mean those beliefs are legitimate or respectable. Woke Bernie Bros in general are huge idiots, and that's who you're defending right now.

[cammac]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

I really don't know where you are getting your polling data frankly there are only 3 polls I look at Ipsos, Marist College & Quinnipiac University. Yes he is at a high point if 40% is a high point
most of the others produce a lot of outlier results.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/politics/cnn-poll-trump-approval-rating-rises/index.html

and that's CNN's poll.

Ipsos is at 44%
Marist is at 42%
Quinnipac is at 40%

The trend is approval is going up, and disapproval is going down:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

In other words, not good cammac.

You look @ 1number
Ipsos 38 & 57 19 point gap
Marist 40 & 51 11 point gap
Quinnipiac University 40 & 53 13 point gap
CNN 42 & 54 14 point gap
What is your point????????

[Kanyewest]

btw, CNN and MSNBC are completely losing in this media war against Trump. Despite their 24 hour **** news coverage of non-stop nonsense and hysteria, Trump's approval ratings are going up. They're like the highest they've been in months.

So the media is one big FAIL when it comes to condemning Trump. It's not working. Maybe....just maybe....if they focused on substantive policy issues instead of low-brow bull and Russia hysteria, then maybe they could possibly topple Trump. As of now, they are losing the war. Trump approval going up, trust in MSM is going down. Trump is winning.

Maybe the tide has turned according to the CNN Poll. But recently the Democrats have won an election in Alabama and won a special election in PA in a District where Trump won by more than 20 points. I wouldn't qualify as Trump as "winning" because he won a poll... yet. But yeah, it looks like Trump hadd a good week for him anyways with sanctions to Russia, avoiding a government shutdown, and staying quiet on Twitter.

I'm all for a blue wave, but I want the wave to be BLUE. Not blue with speckles of red in there. That's my biggest issue with D's; they run a bunch of DINOs who don't represent Democratic principles. These people are no better than Republicans.

While I agree some of these candidates leave a lot to be desired, I don't think you are going to get the perfect candidate especially when you focus in on local elections. Anyways, CNN/MSNBC appear to be content with more moderate Democrats as indicated by their preference for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders IMO, so it doesn't dispute the notion that they are losing the media wars against Trump.

[dckingsfan]

TGW thus far:
-absolutely hates Hillary and did not vote for her
-hates Democrats
-is not forthcoming about who he voted for
-loves Trump's use of 'Fake News' and openly supports it
-hates CNN and MSNBC
-eagerly watches Trump's approval rating and is touting it being up 1%

Hmmm, is there a different thread?

- He has made it clear that he thinks the Ds are too close to the Rs and are also corrupt.
- He thinks the Ds should take a hard left.
- He clearly doesn't like Hillary - you know, lots of folks don't
- Hates all the news networks not just CNN and MSNBC
- Hates the news networks because the are caught in the Trump trap and don't follow substantive issues
- And he hates Trump more than Hillary

I don't think he falls neatly into your with us or against us theme...

DC, you're imagining things again.

TGW was ranting and raving about how CNN/MSNBC are actively trying to take down Trump in his mind and failing (bigly!) because of Trump's approval rating. That has absolutely nothing to do with demanding more policy substance in the news.

Also, lots of folks hating Hillary is not noteworthy and means absolutely nothing. I'm very aware that huge swaths of morons think Hillary planned Benghazi, and sending emails via private server is high treason. Lock her up!!!

People believing things in large number does not mean those beliefs are legitimate or respectable. Woke Bernie Bros in general are huge idiots, and that's who you're defending right now.

Not sure I am defending any TGW, don't think he needs it. I just don't see what he posted as to what you are intimating. For example, lots of folks don't like Hillary and it isn't because of Benghazi, emails or otherwise. There are lots of other reasons including her domination of the DNC with money. You have to see that Bernie fans wouldn't like that much.

If you don't think that there are many legitimate reasons for not liking Hillary - then I just don't know what to say. I think the hardest vote I have had in recent memory was voting for her.

But I might be all wet, AGAIN - or we just view things through a different lens.

[gtn130]

Not sure I am defending any TGW, don't think he needs it. I just don't see what he posted as to what you are intimating. For example, lots of folks don't like Hillary and it isn't because of Benghazi, emails or otherwise. There are lots of other reasons including her domination of the DNC with money. You have to see that Bernie fans wouldn't like that much.

If you don't think that there are many legitimate reasons for not liking Hillary - then I just don't know what to say. I think the hardest vote I have had in recent memory was voting for her.

But I might be all wet, AGAIN - or we just view things through a different lens.

I'm a Bernie fan. I voted for him in the primary. The DNC stuff was wrong and unfair. I'm also an adult and can move on with my life.

Hillary was a weak candidate, but the hate for her was laughably misguided. She's a replacement level establishment Democrat with a ton of experience. She would have been relatively good at governing as president.

Show me all of the awful mistakes she made when governing in her career. You're constantly beating the drum for the importance of responsible governing, but you seem to dislike Hillary largely for campaign reasons.

[cammac]

Assange internet connection cut off by the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

he Government of Ecuador suspended the systems that allow Julian Assange to communicate with the outside world from the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where the citizen has remained in international protection for six years due to the risk to his life and integrity.

The measure was adopted due to Assange's breach of the written commitment it assumed with the Government at the end of 2017, for which it was obliged not to issue messages that supposed interference with other States.

The Government of Ecuador warns that the behavior of Assange, with its messages through social networks, puts at risk the good relations that the country maintains with the United Kingdom, with the rest of the States of the European Union and other nations.

Therefore, to prevent potential damage, the embassy in London interrupted this March 27 communications abroad to which Assange has access.The Executive also maintains open the way to the adoption of new measures before the breach of the commitment by Assange.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/28/1752762/-BREAKING-Julian-Assange-s-Internet-Connection-by-Ecuadorian-Embassy

[dckingsfan]

Not sure I am defending any TGW, don't think he needs it. I just don't see what he posted as to what you are intimating. For example, lots of folks don't like Hillary and it isn't because of Benghazi, emails or otherwise. There are lots of other reasons including her domination of the DNC with money. You have to see that Bernie fans wouldn't like that much.

If you don't think that there are many legitimate reasons for not liking Hillary - then I just don't know what to say. I think the hardest vote I have had in recent memory was voting for her.

But I might be all wet, AGAIN - or we just view things through a different lens.

I'm a Bernie fan. I voted for him in the primary. The DNC stuff was wrong and unfair. I'm also an adult and can move on with my life.

Hillary was a weak candidate, but the hate for her was laughably misguided. She's a replacement level establishment Democrat with a ton of experience. She would have been relatively good at governing as president.

Show me all of the awful mistakes she made when governing in her career. You're constantly beating the drum for the importance of responsible governing, but you seem to dislike Hillary largely for campaign reasons.

I voted for her for that reason... but she had no vision of how to move us forward - she would have been more of the same... going in circles. What's to like?

[gtn130]

I voted for her for that reason... but she had no vision of how to move us forward - she would have been more of the same... going in circles. What's to like?

That's fine, but Trump was the alternative! It should have been a very simple calculation!

[dckingsfan]

I voted for her for that reason... but she had no vision of how to move us forward - she would have been more of the same... going in circles. What's to like?

That's fine, but Trump was the alternative! It should have been a very simple calculation!

Depends on your lens... if you are a single issue voter - and you didn't like Hillary - then you could understand their rationality.

I know, hard to wrap your head around it if you are a never trumper like us...

[gtn130]

I voted for her for that reason... but she had no vision of how to move us forward - she would have been more of the same... going in circles. What's to like?

That's fine, but Trump was the alternative! It should have been a very simple calculation!

Depends on your lens... if you are a single issue voter - and you didn't like Hillary - then you could understand their rationality.

I know, hard to wrap your head around it if you are a never trumper like us...

I think single issue anti-Hillary voters are very likely completely misinformed or are being dishonest about their views. I wouldn't treat them like their ideas are legitimately respectable when they're objectively wrong about a bunch of stuff.

[Ruzious]

Not sure I am defending any TGW, don't think he needs it. I just don't see what he posted as to what you are intimating. For example, lots of folks don't like Hillary and it isn't because of Benghazi, emails or otherwise. There are lots of other reasons including her domination of the DNC with money. You have to see that Bernie fans wouldn't like that much.

If you don't think that there are many legitimate reasons for not liking Hillary - then I just don't know what to say. I think the hardest vote I have had in recent memory was voting for her.

But I might be all wet, AGAIN - or we just view things through a different lens.

I'm a Bernie fan. I voted for him in the primary. The DNC stuff was wrong and unfair. I'm also an adult and can move on with my life.

Hillary was a weak candidate, but the hate for her was laughably misguided. She's a replacement level establishment Democrat with a ton of experience. She would have been relatively good at governing as president.

Show me all of the awful mistakes she made when governing in her career. You're constantly beating the drum for the importance of responsible governing, but you seem to dislike Hillary largely for campaign reasons.

I voted for her for that reason... but she had no vision of how to move us forward - she would have been more of the same... going in circles. What's to like?

One thing I like that's been accomplished in this thread - we've applied a sports metrics term to political candidates: replacement level candidates. Progress!... or not.