2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

Negrodamus · Post #1921 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:49 pm

Justin Jackson of Maryland declares. Another interesting player from last year with elite length, questionable athleticism, and probably a tweener. But he's definitely an upside pick in the second round. Crazy depth this year.

Negrodamus · Post #1922 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:50 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:If Michael Porter Jr falls to us with the Lakers pick would you guys want him?

Probably not. He really doesn't interest me, talent-wise, and the health risk makes it even worse.

Who do you want who will realistically be there when we draft with the Lakers pick and our pick?

Shai with the Lakers pick, if not, Mikal. I'm not sure about our own pick. Depends where we land and if we even plan on keeping it.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1923 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:01 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Justin Jackson of Maryland declares. Another interesting player from last year with elite length, questionable athleticism, and probably a tweener. But he's definitely an upside pick in the second round. Crazy depth this year.

Small ball 4. Strong as an ox, good defender who can switch 1-4, can pass a bit, but man does he need work on his shot. His FT%s indicate he could possibly become a three point shooter in time, but he needs work. Shame he had a shoulder injury this year, because Maryland could been good. Kevin Huerter is another guy on that team who I'm a big fan of. Reminds me of Klay Thompson quite a bit, actually. I doubt he enters, though.

Jackson would be silly to leave this year with an agent.

Kobblehead · Post #1924 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:35 pm

I still think Chandler Hutchison has star potential. If we can grab him with our own pick, I'll be ecstatic.

cksdayoff · Post #1925 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:56 pm

i was disappointed when maryland's justin jackson didn't declare last year

PLO · Post #1926 » by **PLO** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:15 am

Fischella wrote:
PLO wrote:Like with all due respect to Stanley Johnson, and this is looking at it today, I'm taking a flyer on Melvin Frazier in the second round in this draft over him.

I would not honestly, Johnson has an NBA skill

I take it that skill is being good in Summer League.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1927 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:19 am

PLO wrote:
Fischella wrote:
PLO wrote:Like with all due respect to Stanley Johnson, and this is looking at it today, I'm taking a flyer on Melvin Frazier in the second round in this draft over him.

I would not honestly, Johnson has an NBA skill

I take it that skill is being good in Summer League.

Also, Frazier has actual potential to be a 3/D guy who can be a ball mover (but not PnR ability, really). Skilled spotting up, posting, off screens, and isolations (IIRC - just checked up on his Synergy stats this morning). As for his defense, 78 and 70% in PnR and iso-coverage. That’s good.

Johnson hasn’t been consistent at all in the NBA, aside from consistently not finishing at the rim. Jumper is too hot or miss. He’s got a great frame, but there’s more needed before you’re a good defender.

Kobblehead · Post #1928 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:08 am

My issue with guys like Frazier and Melton are that I worry that they'll just be athletic defenders that can't create or shoot.

If we're talking 3&D prospects, I'd rather sacrifice some of the dynamic athleticism that those two provide and instead focus on guys with more reliable shooting skill. Like Josh Okogie and Shake Milton, for instance.

No-Man · Post #1929 » by **No-Man** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:57 am

Man you guys overrate Frazier like crazy

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1930 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:09 am

Kobblehead wrote:My issue with guys like Frazier and Melton are that I worry that they'll just be athletic defenders that can't create or shoot.

If we're talking 3&D prospects, I'd rather sacrifice some of the dynamic athleticism that those two provide and instead focus on guys with more reliable shooting skill. Like Josh Okogie and Shake Milton, for instance.

I actually think that Milton has more potential than just a 3/D guy and think he can get involved in some secondary / tertiary PnR action.

PLO · Post #1931 » by **PLO** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:33 am

Fischella wrote:Man you guys overrate Frazier like crazy

Its not that we overrate him - he's a second rounder IMO. I only picked him out to exemplify the fact this draft is pretty deep; its likely he won't shake out but there are a slew of players in this draft from mid-first onwards that could have good NBA careers, and he's one of them. Obviously you don't think that's the case, which is fair enough.

In terms of a comparison with Stanley Johnson I would prefer to have someone with at least the semblance of an offensive game on the 76ers; Johnson would be basically unplayable on our roster. Johnson was a top 10 pick and there are players who will be picked outside of the top 10 this year who to my mind are better prospects now than he was when he was picked. You are really under rating guys like Miles Bridges and Shai who would be top 10 in a lot of drafts.

No-Man · Post #1932 » by **No-Man** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:39 am

Oh he might have a pro career eventually, but right now he doesn't bring anything that a good team can use, he is really far away from contributing in my opinion, he is toolsy, but nothing that translates other than playing the passing lanes to create events

Johnson is def a NBA level defender on the wing, I agree that he is unplayable for certain teams, but he is gonna stick in the league and have a career for sure, and you can't say that from a 2nd round guy normally

I was really low on Stanley Johnson after his 1st year at Arizona (after been high on him coming out from HS), had him out of the lotto and way below Rondae, so you are preaching to the choir here, but there is no denying that the guy can D up

Miles Bridges is gonna go in the top10, and Shai close to it, and I am not underrating either of them, what I am doing is been realistic about the depth of this draft

Kobblehead · Post #1933 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:04 pm

FrontOfficeEye wrote:I actually think that Milton has more potential than just a 3/D guy and think he can get involved in some secondary / tertiary PnR action.

I suppose part of why I'm selling him short as an initiator is because of the poor finishing rate he put up as a junior. I'm relegating him to 3&D based on my lack of trust in him as a driver.

Negrodamus · Post #1934 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:29 pm

For all of the criticism of SGA's shot translating to the next level, no one blinks when talking about Mikal Bridges shot translating. He shot 30% as a freshman and that was with a redshirt year at Villanova. Shai shoots 40% with an 82% FT and everyone has questions about his shot. It's just confusing to me.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1935 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:33 pm

Negrodamus wrote:For all of the criticism of SGA's shot translating to the next level, no one blinks when talking about Mikal Bridges shot translating. He shot 30% as a freshman and that was with a redshirt year at Villanova. Shai shoots 40% with an 82% FT and everyone has questions about his shot. It's just confusing to me.

Not me. I like Shai. But if Bridges and Shai are both on the board with the Lakers pick I'm taking Bridges. I want more defensive minded wing and guard players in this draft. But if we drafted Shai I'd be ok with that. I like what I have seen. He just will ride the bench for a while if we draft him.

eagereyez · Post #1936 » by **eagereyez** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:49 pm

Negrodamus wrote:For all of the criticism of SGA's shot translating to the next level, no one blinks when talking about Mikal Bridges shot translating. He shot 30% as a freshman and that was with a redshirt year at Villanova. Shai shoots 40% with an 82% FT and everyone has questions about his shot. It's just confusing to me.

Mikal Bridges' shooting improved significantly since his freshman year. The same thing happened with Buddy Hield. There's no point in using older data when you have current data available. And current data suggests that Bridges is a good to great shooter. How he shot as a freshman is of zero significance.

Negrodamus · Post #1937 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:49 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:For all of the criticism of SGA's shot translating to the next level, no one blinks when talking about Mikal Bridges shot translating. He shot 30% as a freshman and that was with a redshirt year at Villanova. Shai shoots 40% with an 82% FT and everyone has questions about his shot. It's just confusing to me.

Not me. I like Shai. But if Bridges and Shai are both on the board with the Lakers pick I'm taking Bridges. I want more defensive minded wing and guard players in this draft. But if we drafted Shai I'd be ok with that. I like what I have seen. He just will ride the bench for a while if we draft him.

That's fine, and I'm not calling you out or anyone that wants Bridges over Shai. I just think Bridges is immediate help as an off ball 3 point shooter who can defend multiple positions.

Shai and Fultz would make Embiid a 30 ppg scorer on high efficiency. They are both impressive at interior entry passing and alley oops (at least Shai is on the latter). Both are excellent at PnR. Both are multilevel scorers. And that length between them would be insane. Not to mention, there would always be 2 extremely capable, possibly high level, creators on the court at all times. That's an absurd amount of pressure for the entire game on an opposing team.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1938 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:I actually think that Milton has more potential than just a 3/D guy and think he can get involved in some secondary / tertiary PnR action.

I suppose part of why I'm selling him short as an initiator is because of the poor finishing rate he put up as a junior. I'm relegating him to 3&D based on my lack of trust in him as a driver.

Yah, the finishing this year took a big dip. Like, 10% I think? Floater / runners looked solid though this year.

Negrodamus · Post #1939 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:53 pm

eagereyez wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:For all of the criticism of SGA's shot translating to the next level, no one blinks when talking about Mikal Bridges shot translating. He shot 30% as a freshman and that was with a redshirt year at Villanova. Shai shoots 40% with an 82% FT and everyone has questions about his shot. It's just confusing to me.

Mikal Bridges' shooting improved significantly since his freshman year. The same thing happened with Buddy Hield. There's no point in using older data when you have current data available. And current data suggests that Bridges is a good to great shooter. How he shot as a freshman is of zero significance.

The point wasn't to say that Mikal isn't a good shooter. It's about Shai's translating.

We have no data on how Shai will improve 2 years down the road. The draft is all about projecting. Saying Shai's three point shot is an issue (perplexing stance) is dismissing what he can become in 2 years.

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1940 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:03 pm

Truth be told I don't think there is going to be a decision to make here when it comes to Shai vs Mikal. One of them isn't going to be there.

I'm fine with either. Both provide two different things it's just one would need more development which isn't necessarily a bad thing if we have minutes locked in to other guys. If it was up to me if it's a top 10 pick you take the guy with the higher ceiling meaning SGA. I personally think if the FO had the choice they'll take Mikal.