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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#41 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:33 pm

closg00 wrote:Typical slothful Ernie. I have been watching the other teams wheeling and dealing on new two-way contracts, not our Ernest. Ernie should be doing everything in his power to improve our talent, especially in the front court and back-up SG.


It's pretty clear what Ernie's position is in all of this. He doesn't care to throw even small amounts of money for players who he considers to be nothing more than lottery tickets to even become utility players off the bench. He will use the odd draft pick here and there because it's what the league does, but he won't use that many of them because he doesn't value them the same he does players who are established and are less risky. And it's true. A proven NBA player is less risky than a draft pick in terms of returns, provided all else is equal.

The problem is that it's also less likely to actually produce stars, as the odds of producing a star are actually pretty bad no matter how you choose to go about it, and it costs orders of magnitude more for established players to the point where it clearly is no longer worth it. Saving an extra few million to get Mahinmi instead of Mozgov is a debatable value at best, but hey, he also got to try for Durant and Horford. The amount you can actually save there is much higher, but Ernie doesn't care because he much prefers proven. Meanwhile teams like the Spurs, and now the Warriors, Raptors and Celtics among others, are running laps around him by putting in the work and relatively small amount of money to invest in scouting and developing players.

In a league where everyone understands the value of established players, it's extremely hard to get ahead outside of bottoming out by accident and getting the right top pick at the right time, by focusing on proven players only. The end result of such endeavours is usually a team that floats around .500 or so, probably averaging just below .500 over a longer sample size, because that's where most teams really don't want to be. The Wizards are slightly more successful at their antics than the likes of the Hornets, Pelicans and any other number of teams that flush their draft picks whenever possible and focus on throwing big money at whoever they feel is the best guy they can get no matter what, but they're all iterations of the same thing.
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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#42 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:30 pm

Big game for Christian Wood of the 87ers - still without an NBA team affilitation. 44 points on 15/22 shooting including 4/7 from 3. 10/13 FT's, 11 boards, 1 of everything else. But the Wiz have young guns Gortat and Mahinmi. Why would they want Wood?
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Post#43 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:35 pm

Ruzious wrote:Why would they want Wood?


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Post#44 » by closg00 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:42 pm



Wood is very skinny, but he appears to be a good shot-blocker, and rim protector. The slothful Ernie can't be bothered with even trying him in the mix during a 10-day.
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Post#45 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:Big game for Christian Wood of the 87ers - still without an NBA team affilitation. 44 points on 15/22 shooting including 4/7 from 3. 10/13 FT's, 11 boards, 1 of everything else. But the Wiz have young guns Gortat and Mahinmi. Why would they want Wood?

I hadn't realized, the game before he had 46 points, 19 rebounds, 3 steals and 2 blocks.
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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#46 » by closg00 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:24 am

I suppose it’s because we have so-much money tied-up in 3 Max players, but I don’t see any reason why the Wizards could not have found a way to throw Devin into the mix. Many teams have found ways to experiment with two-way players and G-League guys with several getting multi-year non-guaranteed contracts late in the season.
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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#47 » by youngWizzy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:46 am

There's a lot of talent in the Gleague clearly. Some of these players look better than draft picks. How does signing any of these players work? Any criteria for signing players? How can you determine a player has or does not have an affiliate?
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Post#48 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:56 pm

youngWizzy wrote:There's a lot of talent in the Gleague clearly. Some of these players look better than draft picks. How does signing any of these players work? Any criteria for signing players? How can you determine a player has or does not have an affiliate?

A lot of the better players are already under control by NBA teams that signed them, but as long as they're not under contract to an NBA team, any team with a roster spot open can sign them. It's a mystery to me why nobody has signed Christian Wood. Yes, he's skinny, but in today's smallball NBA, he's not too skinny to be a useful reserve.
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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#49 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:11 pm

closg00 wrote:I suppose it’s because we have so-much money tied-up in 3 Max players, but I don’t see any reason why the Wizards could not have found a way to throw Devin into the mix. Many teams have found ways to experiment with two-way players and G-League guys with several getting multi-year non-guaranteed contracts late in the season.

There's very little $ involved, & anyway they had him with the team for a few games in February (I think), but he didn't play.

My question is whether they'll re-sign him for next year.
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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#50 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:16 pm

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youngWizzy wrote:There's a lot of talent in the Gleague clearly. Some of these players look better than draft picks. How does signing any of these players work? Any criteria for signing players? How can you determine a player has or does not have an affiliate?

A lot of the better players are already under control by NBA teams that signed them, but as long as they're not under contract to an NBA team, any team with a roster spot open can sign them. It's a mystery to me why nobody has signed Christian Wood. Yes, he's skinny, but in today's smallball NBA, he's not too skinny to be a useful reserve.

Yeah, I don't get it either. The guy puts up numbers: why wouldn't you give him a 10-day & a few minutes & see if he puts up numbers for you in the league as well?

Christian Wood is 2 months older than Kelly Oubre. Guys older than him will get drafted come June. It's a mystery.
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Re: The Undrafted Amigos! 

Post#51 » by closg00 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:
youngWizzy wrote:There's a lot of talent in the Gleague clearly. Some of these players look better than draft picks. How does signing any of these players work? Any criteria for signing players? How can you determine a player has or does not have an affiliate?

A lot of the better players are already under control by NBA teams that signed them, but as long as they're not under contract to an NBA team, any team with a roster spot open can sign them. It's a mystery to me why nobody has signed Christian Wood. Yes, he's skinny, but in today's small ball NBA, he's not too skinny to be a useful reserve.


Houston just signed Clippers G-League player Tim Quarterman to a 10-day, these players can be stolen from other teams and signed if they are not under contract. The Wizards seem content to ride or die with an 8-9 person rotation for the play-offs w/o seeking to improve the bench before the playoffs.

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