Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[brackdan70]

You don't allocate shots on defense bro beans. Draymond is the best defender on GSW... still the 4th option.

Hayward will be primary option for kickouts.

Horf will get then as well

Imo starting lineup needs another guy who can finish through contact and be a player who breaks out and runs lane off defensive stops.

I think Brown fills that roll better.



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Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

B U C K E T S

(& D)

yep that small line up...which is really not that small will be pretty effective. It seems Tatum is improving as a rebounder and will be able to guard most 4s. Have a couple bigs off the bench like Baynes or Monroe and Theis, a versatile guy like Morris and with Rozier and / or Smart and the Cs will be set.

[chakdaddy]

Hypothetical, would you trade Brown + for a healthy Kawhi?

Of course.

I would hesitate for reasons of salary , injury, and age spacing. Depends on the plus. Kawhi is a big plus for winning now but Jaylen fits well with long term contention

[Gomes3PC]

Jaylen is a better defender and better at finishing through contact.

Jaylen struggled mightily at times last year finishing through contact. Give Tatum a year in an NBA offseason program, will be night and day next year.

I love Jaylen. I love Jayson. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just hard to ignore that Tatum is significantly younger and adapted much faster to the NBA game than Jaylen. That doesn't mean his path will progress as easily - plenty of guys stall out and others take time to grow into the game. Just, at this moment, Tatum's rookie performance shows glimpses of being a potential All-NBA talent.

Why do you think that because Tatum can improve as much as night and day in 1 year that he automatically becomes higher in the pecking order?

Why not think why Brown can be higher when he already showed us he can improve both in the offseason and RS? if any we already got data that Jaylen works his ass off to improve his weaknesses while Tatum showed what he can.

Because Tatum and Brown are about equal talents on the court at this moment. So that shows Brown had to improve materially just to get to where Tatum is starting off his career.

How well they are playing must include context that this is Tatum's first taste of NBA action without an offseason and at a younger age than Brown was even as a rookie.

[BruceBanner18]

The value of having an All-Star wing on a rookie contract is gold in a salary cap league. We may have two shortly. If it continues to unfold this way, then we can project to have 2 seasoned All-Stars on mini-max contracts. The salary cap implications of this can't be underestimated. This is how the Dubs got Durant while having 3 all stars. It's not as simple as who's best today...if that's how we were running this program Brown would have been gone for Butler last summer. I think there is a real case for Tatum and Brown being untouchable simply based on their cheap salaries compared to their projected ceilings and production over the next 8 seasons.

[OFWGKTA]

Jaylen struggled mightily at times last year finishing through contact. Give Tatum a year in an NBA offseason program, will be night and day next year.

I love Jaylen. I love Jayson. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just hard to ignore that Tatum is significantly younger and adapted much faster to the NBA game than Jaylen. That doesn't mean his path will progress as easily - plenty of guys stall out and others take time to grow into the game. Just, at this moment, Tatum's rookie performance shows glimpses of being a potential All-NBA talent.

Why do you think that because Tatum can improve as much as night and day in 1 year that he automatically becomes higher in the pecking order?

Why not think why Brown can be higher when he already showed us he can improve both in the offseason and RS? if any we already got data that Jaylen works his ass off to improve his weaknesses while Tatum showed what he can.

Because Tatum and Brown are about equal talents on the court at this moment. So that shows Brown had to improve materially just to get to where Tatum is starting off his career.

How well they are playing must include context that this is Tatum's first taste of NBA action without an offseason and at a younger age than Brown was even as a rookie.

That's some nonsense logic lol

[chris4celts]

Brown is the next Butler or KL. I don't want him going anywhere. Got to "kick the tires" for AD, but I don't know. I've changed my mind. I want to dance with the girl I brung, or whatever the saying is.

[Gomes3PC]

Why do you think that because Tatum can improve as much as night and day in 1 year that he automatically becomes higher in the pecking order?

Why not think why Brown can be higher when he already showed us he can improve both in the offseason and RS? if any we already got data that Jaylen works his ass off to improve his weaknesses while Tatum showed what he can.

Because Tatum and Brown are about equal talents on the court at this moment. So that shows Brown had to improve materially just to get to where Tatum is starting off his career.

How well they are playing must include context that this is Tatum's first taste of NBA action without an offseason and at a younger age than Brown was even as a rookie.

That's some nonsense logic lol

No, it's not. A 19 year old playing as good as a 21 year old means the 19 year old is the more valuable asset, all else considered.

[KGboss]

Because Tatum and Brown are about equal talents on the court at this moment. So that shows Brown had to improve materially just to get to where Tatum is starting off his career.

How well they are playing must include context that this is Tatum's first taste of NBA action without an offseason and at a younger age than Brown was even as a rookie.

That's some nonsense logic lol

No, it's not. A 19 year old playing as good as a 21 year old means the 19 year old is the more valuable asset, all else considered.

To be fair the 19 year old is better

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[canman1971]

Because Tatum and Brown are about equal talents on the court at this moment. So that shows Brown had to improve materially just to get to where Tatum is starting off his career.

How well they are playing must include context that this is Tatum's first taste of NBA action without an offseason and at a younger age than Brown was even as a rookie.

That's some nonsense logic lol

No, it's not. A 19 year old playing as good as a 21 year old means the 19 year old is the more valuable asset, all else considered.

Damn, you guys are splitting hairs. Just a heads up, both are Boston Celtics. Enjoy it.

[rd26]

I'm baffled why so many want to bash one to pump up the other.

JB's floor has risen like an elevator imo,.and JT's ceiling is probably higher than I thought.

I'm ecstatic about both.

[SichtingLives]

I'm baffled why so many want to bash one to pump up the other.

It goes like this -

SlickRicky22) I love them both but I'd slightly prefer player A because of xy

Boner4Celts) Me too I hear you but I'd give slight nod to player B due to zx


5 pages later.......


SlickRicky22) PLAYER B IS TOTAL $HIT CANT WAIT TIL WE TRADE HIM BLAAHHHGHG

Boner4Celts) YOU'LL NEVER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH PLAYER A UGHHHH

[batabatuta]

Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown,
Smart, Rozier, Theis, Monroe, Morris and Larkin.
Brad Stevens

Don't touch them for the next 2 seasons and let them ride with this lineup. They are way better players out there but what this team have right now is chemistry and its special. They are young and have a high upside. The starters just need to be healthy and the bench is already good and deep enough to beat another NBA team on its own. They have not peaked yet.

[BfB]

The value of having an All-Star wing on a rookie contract is gold in a salary cap league. We may have two shortly. If it continues to unfold this way, then we can project to have 2 seasoned All-Stars on mini-max contracts. The salary cap implications of this can't be underestimated. This is how the Dubs got Durant while having 3 all stars. It's not as simple as who's best today...if that's how we were running this program Brown would have been gone for Butler last summer. I think there is a real case for Tatum and Brown being untouchable simply based on their cheap salaries compared to their projected ceilings and production over the next 8 seasons.

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[chakdaddy]

I also feel like Jaylen has rare killer instinct/drive that Bird/MJ/Kobe/KG gene.

[cloverleaf]

I also feel like Jaylen has rare killer instinct/drive that Bird/MJ/Kobe/KG gene.

Yet, what was that, his first game winner the other night? Tatum has been thrusting the dagger at the end of games all year, and TRo has been clutch since he came into the league.

[chrisab123]

Brown is an athlete that has become a basketball player. Much like what Leonard had to go through with the Spurs. Tatum is a natural basketball player but less athletic. Depends what you want going forward. I’ll take Tatum even though I love watching Brown play and he’s made amazing strides this year.

[ermocrate]

Tatum, consolidate, Brown, build. They are equal but very different. Jayson needs to build his body and establish his mental toughness while Jaylen needs to improve decision making and refine his moves. Keep telling that but they are indispensable one for another, they can easily be a duo that can establish a great circle of improvement. Jaylen can teach Jayson mental toughness and body conditioning while Jayson can teach Jaylen some moves.

[BruceBanner18]

Is the circle of improvement kinda like the circle of trust?

[ermocrate]

Is the circle of improvement kinda like the circle of trust?

Not really, the circle of trust is a confined space while the “circle of improvement” it’s a dynamic cycle of mutual exchange that leads to improvement. I should have used cycle instead of circle.

[return2glory]

I also feel like Jaylen has rare killer instinct/drive that Bird/MJ/Kobe/KG gene.

No.