GimmeDat wrote:You guys think he can play some 3, if not immediately, at least down the road? He's 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan, and of course, super athletic, can play bigger than his size.
MachoMan wrote:KobesScarf wrote:He should stay in school
If he is confident he will go in the 1st Round, I would say he should declare and go to the NBA. Right now, he is really raw....very limited offensive game. If he returns to Texas Tech next season, and does not show significant improvement on that end, his game will be picked apart.
KobesScarf wrote:MachoMan wrote:KobesScarf wrote:He should stay in school
If he is confident he will go in the 1st Round, I would say he should declare and go to the NBA. Right now, he is really raw....very limited offensive game. If he returns to Texas Tech next season, and does not show significant improvement on that end, his game will be picked apart.
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:MachoMan wrote:
If he is confident he will go in the 1st Round, I would say he should declare and go to the NBA. Right now, he is really raw....very limited offensive game. If he returns to Texas Tech next season, and does not show significant improvement on that end, his game will be picked apart.
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
I fricking hate this logic.
Please explain to me how he can improve and develop more in college than playing professionally? Makes no **** sense.
baca wrote:He is a high risk, high reward stock. It is possible he returns but not improve anything in shooting or handling and stocks plummet just like Malik Pope. I think he should declare, at least test the water for sure.
KobesScarf wrote:MachoMan wrote:KobesScarf wrote:He should stay in school
If he is confident he will go in the 1st Round, I would say he should declare and go to the NBA. Right now, he is really raw....very limited offensive game. If he returns to Texas Tech next season, and does not show significant improvement on that end, his game will be picked apart.
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
Fischella wrote:clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
I fricking hate this logic.
Please explain to me how he can improve and develop more in college than playing professionally? Makes no **** sense.
Well, basically playing time, confidence and opportunities to fail
I agree with you, but there is a merit to it
clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:MachoMan wrote:
If he is confident he will go in the 1st Round, I would say he should declare and go to the NBA. Right now, he is really raw....very limited offensive game. If he returns to Texas Tech next season, and does not show significant improvement on that end, his game will be picked apart.
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
I fricking hate this logic.
Please explain to me how he can improve and develop more in college than playing professionally? Makes no **** sense.
MachoMan wrote:KobesScarf wrote:MachoMan wrote:
If he is confident he will go in the 1st Round, I would say he should declare and go to the NBA. Right now, he is really raw....very limited offensive game. If he returns to Texas Tech next season, and does not show significant improvement on that end, his game will be picked apart.
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
he will make it for several years with guaranteed life changing money....there are no guarantees if he goes back to Lubbock. Last year, Robert Williams (Texas A&M) was a lottery lock. The assumption was that with the physical tools, an added jumpshot would make him an impactful NBA player. After another year @ A&M, we now are less confident he will ever be able to shoot, and he has lost money by likely dropping a few spots and year of his life that he could have been earning millions of dollars.
KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:
If he doesn't improve he's not going to make it in the NBA anyway. If the decision is financial he should of course leave, if it's to give himself the best oppurtunity to reach his full potential as a basketball player he should of course stay (probably 4 years)
I fricking hate this logic.
Please explain to me how he can improve and develop more in college than playing professionally? Makes no **** sense.
In college a guy like Smith can develop an all around game with reasonable expectation he will get an expanded role.
In the NBA best case scenario is you are forced to develop a skill that can get you on the court and you likely get type cast never get an expanded role.
Worst case you regress a little bit and the team gives up on you, or your coach gets fired and the new coach wants something different from you and if you can't deliver they give up on you.
That rookie contract is basically a time bomb. If your dream is to actually have an NBA career(not just NBA $) why wouldn't you hold off on starting that time bomb until you are fully equipped.
clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:
I fricking hate this logic.
Please explain to me how he can improve and develop more in college than playing professionally? Makes no **** sense.
In college a guy like Smith can develop an all around game with reasonable expectation he will get an expanded role.
In the NBA best case scenario is you are forced to develop a skill that can get you on the court and you likely get type cast never get an expanded role.
Worst case you regress a little bit and the team gives up on you, or your coach gets fired and the new coach wants something different from you and if you can't deliver they give up on you.
That rookie contract is basically a time bomb. If your dream is to actually have an NBA career(not just NBA $) why wouldn't you hold off on starting that time bomb until you are fully equipped.
Explain to me what he can develop in college that he can't develop in the pros at an exponentially higher level? Be specific.
KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:
In college a guy like Smith can develop an all around game with reasonable expectation he will get an expanded role.
In the NBA best case scenario is you are forced to develop a skill that can get you on the court and you likely get type cast never get an expanded role.
Worst case you regress a little bit and the team gives up on you, or your coach gets fired and the new coach wants something different from you and if you can't deliver they give up on you.
That rookie contract is basically a time bomb. If your dream is to actually have an NBA career(not just NBA $) why wouldn't you hold off on starting that time bomb until you are fully equipped.
Explain to me what he can develop in college that he can't develop in the pros at an exponentially higher level? Be specific.
Literally everything except the 1 or 2 things that his likely desperate coach wants that will get him on the court and help him keep his job.
The interest of the player and the **** coach are not at all aligned. Even the players own short term interest of staying in the NBA vs the long term interst of reaching his full potential aren't aligned
clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:
Explain to me what he can develop in college that he can't develop in the pros at an exponentially higher level? Be specific.
Literally everything except the 1 or 2 things that his likely desperate coach wants that will get him on the court and help him keep his job.
The interest of the player and the **** coach are not at all aligned. Even the players own short term interest of staying in the NBA vs the long term interst of reaching his full potential aren't aligned
Literally everything? That's your answer to my question when I said be specific?
So you think 21-year-old rookie Zhaire Smith is going to be better than 21-year-old Zhaire Smith with already a year under his belt in the NBA?
Mkay buddy.
KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:
Literally everything except the 1 or 2 things that his likely desperate coach wants that will get him on the court and help him keep his job.
The interest of the player and the **** coach are not at all aligned. Even the players own short term interest of staying in the NBA vs the long term interst of reaching his full potential aren't aligned
Literally everything? That's your answer to my question when I said be specific?
So you think 21-year-old rookie Zhaire Smith is going to be better than 21-year-old Zhaire Smith with already a year under his belt in the NBA?
Mkay buddy.
Do I need to list every aspect of basketball?
Anyway I think he should stay all 4 years in college so the difference is 19 year old rookie vs 22 year old rookie. Or better yet 22 year old rookie vs 22 year old last year of his rookie contract with a new HC or soon to be fired HC
clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:
Literally everything? That's your answer to my question when I said be specific?
So you think 21-year-old rookie Zhaire Smith is going to be better than 21-year-old Zhaire Smith with already a year under his belt in the NBA?
Mkay buddy.
Do I need to list every aspect of basketball?
Anyway I think he should stay all 4 years in college so the difference is 19 year old rookie vs 22 year old rookie. Or better yet 22 year old rookie vs 22 year old last year of his rookie contract with a new HC or soon to be fired HC
But you think a 22-year-old rookie Zhaire Smith is better than 22-year-old Zhaire Smith who's going to be entering his 3rd year in the league?
Makes ZERO sense on any level.
KobesScarf wrote:clyde21 wrote:KobesScarf wrote:
Do I need to list every aspect of basketball?
Anyway I think he should stay all 4 years in college so the difference is 19 year old rookie vs 22 year old rookie. Or better yet 22 year old rookie vs 22 year old last year of his rookie contract with a new HC or soon to be fired HC
But you think a 22-year-old rookie Zhaire Smith is better than 22-year-old Zhaire Smith who's going to be entering his 3rd year in the league?
Makes ZERO sense on any level.
22 year old rookie will be more well rounded and better poised to reach his full potential, 22 year old 3rd year out of college best case could have developed a skill that will keep him in a rotation as role player/specialist worst case he'll be out of the NBA because he didn't develop fast enough.
