springcadre wrote:Guy has the makings of a Jimmer Fredette, Gordon Hayward, Doug McDermott, Ryan Anderson, Pat Connaughton, Kevin McHale type player.
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springcadre wrote:Guy has the makings of a Jimmer Fredette, Gordon Hayward, Doug McDermott, Ryan Anderson, Pat Connaughton, Kevin McHale type player.
doordoor123 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:In all seriousness though. I really like his jump shot but he has always been a pretty bad FT shooter and this was his first year of being a good 3pt shooter. I like his size and athleticism, just curious how consistent that jumper is going to be in the NBA
Especially since he isn’t the biggest guy.
Duke4life831 wrote:doordoor123 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:In all seriousness though. I really like his jump shot but he has always been a pretty bad FT shooter and this was his first year of being a good 3pt shooter. I like his size and athleticism, just curious how consistent that jumper is going to be in the NBA
Especially since he isn’t the biggest guy.
I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.
clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:doordoor123 wrote:
Especially since he isn’t the biggest guy.
I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.
He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.
Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.
He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.
Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.
So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.
doordoor123 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:
He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.
Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.
So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.
With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.
Duke4life831 wrote:doordoor123 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.
So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.
With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.
I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.
Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.
clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:doordoor123 wrote:
With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.
I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.
Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.
It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.
Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.
Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.
It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.
Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.
Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.
Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.
Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.
It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.
Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.
Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.
clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:
It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.
Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.
Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.
Athleticism. He's more more explosive than all of them. Including Grayson.
Those guys can't make this play:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.
Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.
Athleticism. He's more more explosive than all of them. Including Grayson.
Those guys can't make this play:
What was your opinion of him before the 40 minutes of basketball yesterday?
Fischella wrote:He is craftier and not nearly as athletic as Tyler Johnson
that's probably the mold for him though, issue is that there are so many of those guys, hard to value him