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Post#81 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:21 pm

springcadre wrote:Guy has the makings of a Jimmer Fredette, Gordon Hayward, Doug McDermott, Ryan Anderson, Pat Connaughton, Kevin McHale type player.


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Post#82 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:24 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:In all seriousness though. I really like his jump shot but he has always been a pretty bad FT shooter and this was his first year of being a good 3pt shooter. I like his size and athleticism, just curious how consistent that jumper is going to be in the NBA


Especially since he isn’t the biggest guy.


I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.
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Re: donte divincenzo 

Post#83 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:39 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
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Duke4life831 wrote:In all seriousness though. I really like his jump shot but he has always been a pretty bad FT shooter and this was his first year of being a good 3pt shooter. I like his size and athleticism, just curious how consistent that jumper is going to be in the NBA


Especially since he isn’t the biggest guy.


I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.


He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.
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Post#84 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:49 pm

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Especially since he isn’t the biggest guy.


I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.


He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.


Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.

So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.
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Post#85 » by doordoor123 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:52 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
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Duke4life831 wrote:
I think he has solid size for the 2 guard spot. Dont get me wrong I like him and I think he deserves to be in the group with the other guards in the late 1st round. Just not sure he is head and shoulders above the other guys.


He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.


Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.

So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.


With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.
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Post#86 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:54 pm

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He's a better facilitator of offense than you might be giving him credit for, though. When he came in yesterday for Brunson he was the primary ball handler and executed their sets perfectly.


Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.

So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.


With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.


I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.

Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.
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Post#87 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:00 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Dont get me wrong I like him, and ya I get his facilitating ability. But hes not the only guy in that group that has facilitating ability. For instance Grayson has been averaging 3.5 assists his 2nd and 3rd year and this year he averaged 5 assists a game in ACC play. Shake Milton another guy that averaged 4+ assists this year, Khyri has been a solid facilitator, same for Bruce Brown.

So ya I get the facilitating aspect of the game he brings, I just think a lot of the other guys that are around him bring a similar level of facilitating as well.


With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.


I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.

Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.


It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.
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Re: donte divincenzo 

Post#88 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:14 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
With all due respect to those players you mentioned, DiVincenzo is on another level than those as a passer. He might not have as many assists as those other guys, but he makes higher IQ passes.


I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.

Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.


It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.


Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.

Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.
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Post#89 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:23 pm

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I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.

Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.


It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.


Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.

Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.


Athleticism. He's more more explosive than all of them. Including Grayson.

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Post#90 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:48 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I get assists dont show the entire picture. Im not seeing Donte as a great facilitator though. Again I think hes a good passer for a combo guard/2 guard. I just didnt see another level of passing over guys like Grayson or Shake.

Add on: Again the only reason I didnt bring up his facilitating is because I think this year's group of guards in this area, a lot of them have that + facilitating ability to their game. So I dont see the facilitating as something that would push him ahead of those other guys.


It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.


Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.

Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.

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Post#91 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:51 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
It's not facilitation that should push him above those guys, it's facilitation in combination with the rest of his package. He's got a really intriguing skill set for a combo guard.


Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.

Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.


Athleticism. He's more more explosive than all of them. Including Grayson.

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Post#92 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 3, 2018 10:56 pm

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Im just not really seeing what he is bringing that these other guys arent. For example him vs Grayson. Athleticism Id call it even, facilitating Id call it even. Both similar finishers at the rim but Grayson was better at creating by himself to get to the rim compared to Donte. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash. Donte is the bigger guy but Grayson is the far superior FT shooter and I think is a better shooter without having to get his feet set. Now Grayson advantage at attacking the basket on his own is not transferable to me so I call that a wash.

Again Im not trying to be a hater or anything like that on him. I probably have him as the #1 guy out of this group of guards in the late 1st/early 2nd. I just dont see much that separates him from those guys.


Athleticism. He's more more explosive than all of them. Including Grayson.

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What was your opinion of him before the 40 minutes of basketball yesterday?


You do know this thread was created BEFORE the game yesterday, and I have posted in this very thread BEFORE the game yesterday, right?
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Post#93 » by GimmeDat » Tue Apr 3, 2018 11:08 pm

Needs to maintain that shot at high level but I like what he brings to the table. I'm not sure he quite sneaks in to the 1st round but very early 2nd is where I would have him.

Kind of reminds me of Whitehead in college as one of those guys that simply makes plays on both ends. DD much more efficient and fits in to a role easier though.
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Post#94 » by Upperclass » Tue Apr 3, 2018 11:41 pm

From highlights he seems to be every bit the prospect Jamal Murray was and is probably more vertically athletic and a better passer.
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Post#95 » by Stillwater » Wed Apr 4, 2018 12:37 am

Next Lillard probably imo
I know I know wtf you say from 1 game etc.
It's not from 1 game it's that he did it at a high level in THE GAME.
But he wasn't 6th man award winner for nothing either so speculation is not hype
I expect his competitive nature will have him return to go for another one as a starter.
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Post#96 » by azcatz11 » Wed Apr 4, 2018 1:22 am

Fischella wrote:He is craftier and not nearly as athletic as Tyler Johnson

that's probably the mold for him though, issue is that there are so many of those guys, hard to value him


This is where I keep coming back on him..there's just too much competition. He doesn't have good size either. I'm thinking he's solidly in the 2nd round if he declares now
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Post#97 » by doordoor123 » Wed Apr 4, 2018 1:37 am

I like him, but he’s getting seriously overvalued, especially in this super deep draft. Next year in a weaker draft with more opportunities I could see him being a Late first, but right now he’s a Mid to Late 2nd. How are you going to tell me you’d take him over someone like Kerwin Roach who is also a Mid-second to Late second round pick? Roach has lead his team back from games too, but he’s longer, more athletic and he’s a better defender. I like DiVicenzo, but come on...it’s called recency-bias.
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Post#98 » by Upperclass » Wed Apr 4, 2018 2:37 am

^^ A guy like Roach is a project and has no current nba skills aside from a solid J and being able to jump really high. It's apparent throughout the season that Divincenzo has really good offensive and defensive IQ, is a really good shooter and athletic enough. He's alot closer to contributing and that usually separates 1st and 2nd rounders when youre talking about "solid" prospects.

Both of these types of players usually go 2nd round though.. Like a Markel Brown and a Jordan Clarkson.. But like Clarkson shouldve gone in the first.. I think Donte should as well.
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Post#99 » by Chuck Everett » Wed Apr 4, 2018 3:05 am

Prisoners of the moment. Most Villanova players are role players at best. Kyle Lowry is the best one. Donte will be no different.
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Post#100 » by SBM » Wed Apr 4, 2018 5:30 am

He should go pro and strike while its hot. He could prove me wrong and be Rex Chapman but I don't trust him, he had a breakout game but has shown little consistency. he is a 2nd rd pick IMO.

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