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[Roy Tarpley]

but what about...

dinwiddie
Expectation/potential: d league 3rd year guy expected to be fringe starter
Attitude (internal): steady with a chip on his shoulder
Hype (external): Expectations for continued growth as a key rotation piece
Performance: Strong improvements from last year, bigtime leap

Crabbe
Expectation/potential: 19 M per year 5th year player
Attitude (internal): I am CHAP (calm, humble, and patient)
Hype (external): Expectations for continued growth and to beocme a very good overall scorer/starter
Performance: decent improvement on defense. has regressed offensively with more volume

dinwiddie gets killed. no one criticizes crabbe

Well, I disagree with you about Dinwiddie's performance. You think he's made huge improvements but I see a guy who was 44/38/79 last year and is now 39/33/81. His DBPM last year was -0.2, this year -1.7. And I don't think Dinwiddie is getting killed -- for the first half of the season, people were raving about him, saying how he's a legit starter. I think after he won the skills challenge or after Dlo came back, Dinwiddie cratered in a major way, and then a lot of the criticism started. On balance, given his lower efficiency compared to last year, the criticism was warranted.

Crabbe has certainly been criticized on here based on his salary, but I agree that he hasn't gotten as much heat as Dlo. That's because, despite his $19m per, he's still a 31st pick and his humble attitude has helped. I think fans also see him as an albatross that can't be traded.

I still don't understand what people have against Russell's attitude. He hasn't behaved out of line, is a supportive teammate even in the face of being humiliated the other night by the coach, and really doesn't say things that rock the boat. His personality seems to be in line with LeVert, RHJ, Crabbe, Allen, Harris etc. All likable guys. I didn't know what to think about him at first when he got traded here but he doesn't come off as unlikable, surly, nasty, douchey or even overtly arrogant. Maybe I don't see or I'm missing something.

the dude has had a target on his back from day 1 and that's where this all starts. Some people never were going to give him a chance and the time to get it all together from the door. That's clear now.

If Dlo gets his percentages up to 43/37/80, he'll quiet his detractors soon enough.

[Roy Tarpley]

if Lin comes back and kills that's great.

based on long time experience regarding this team...he won't.

nothing goes right here. ever. even when we're really good, we will run into a team that just blows us out.

like tonight versus the sixers. we got destroyed and this is without embiid.

we aren't good. i don't really care about the pissing contest regarding the players on this team. tonight reinforced how garbage we are.

i have a bad feeling that we won't be a good team until at least the mid 2020s.

I hear you bro. This game was demoralizing. Little rebounding or defense. We really miss a bruising Booker type who can enforce and board.

On offense, no one seemed to have the talent to create anything. I almost started to believe Prok's refrain that we have little talent.

After seeing Booker, Mozgov, Bennett hitting multiple 3s in a row in the gym, I'm not giving too much credence to Lin doing the same. Linsanity is not walking through that door.

Kenny, Jacque, Marks have to review the tape and figure out how to improve the team's overall strategy.

? ... When have we seen Booker, Mozgov, or Bennett hit eleven 3 ptrs -- in a row in practice? Not saying a miracle is walking thru that door come training camp. But last night's clip surprised me TBH -- ... and he wasn't even really taking it seriously.

I didn't say 11 in a row. I said "multiple". There's twitter clips out there of these guys hitting multiples 3s in a row in practice. But yeah, maybe not 11.

There's a difference between hitting shots unguarded from the same position in practice, and playing in a real game, with 250lb behemoths pushing you around and landing on your ankle.

But Lin's shot looks sweet, I'll give you that.

[MrDollarBills]

didn't see the game, Devils deserve my attention lol.....

but to read even MDB no happy with Kenny's act of late, thats promising for me.

Sounds like Russell isn't taking the treatment well or perhaps Kenny is overplaying his role as a coach/dictator. It's only natural to be turned off by orders that result to nothing.

But as a player DLO shouldn't be hit with pitchforks. I think we're not going to get a player he could be in this system. This system is not meant for his style but he's trying to adapt. I bet he thought he would have more freedom. The fact we don't drive or attack more than we are is handicapping DLo and other players with their respected game styles.

I mean I could be totally wrong but Russell just seems to be playing while looking over his shoulder.

If he did indeed say something to Kenny that brought about his benching the other day, as I have said, he deserved that. But if he didn't, I don't think that what was done was a wise decision even though we won the game. He looked completely dumbfounded, and this was coming off of the heels of a game where he played nearly perfect basketball. And since that happened, he hasn't played well.

I'm not saying that he should be coddled, and he that he doesn't need to be mentally tougher if this is indeed the case. But it seems like Kenny's desired outcome, for whatever reason it was, is not happening.

It was tough love from the coach that he gives everybody. D'Angelo for whatever reason can't handle it.

The coach took the blame but D'Angelo is still not himself.

If you want to see an example of someone who can't handle being benched, take a look at what Hassan Whiteside said about his own team after he was benched in the game we played against them the other night, and compare that to Russell's professionalism.

[MrDollarBills]

Well, I disagree with you about Dinwiddie's performance. You think he's made huge improvements but I see a guy who was 44/38/79 last year and is now 39/33/81. His DBPM last year was -0.2, this year -1.7. And I don't think Dinwiddie is getting killed -- for the first half of the season, people were raving about him, saying how he's a legit starter. I think after he won the skills challenge or after Dlo came back, Dinwiddie cratered in a major way, and then a lot of the criticism started. On balance, given his lower efficiency compared to last year, the criticism was warranted.

Crabbe has certainly been criticized on here based on his salary, but I agree that he hasn't gotten as much heat as Dlo. That's because, despite his $19m per, he's still a 31st pick and his humble attitude has helped. I think fans also see him as an albatross that can't be traded.

I still don't understand what people have against Russell's attitude. He hasn't behaved out of line, is a supportive teammate even in the face of being humiliated the other night by the coach, and really doesn't say things that rock the boat. His personality seems to be in line with LeVert, RHJ, Crabbe, Allen, Harris etc. All likable guys. I didn't know what to think about him at first when he got traded here but he doesn't come off as unlikable, surly, nasty, douchey or even overtly arrogant. Maybe I don't see or I'm missing something.

the dude has had a target on his back from day 1 and that's where this all starts. Some people never were going to give him a chance and the time to get it all together from the door. That's clear now.

If Dlo gets his percentages up to 43/37/80, he'll quiet his detractors soon enough.

Agreed. the shooting efficiency must improve.

[steady]

but what about...

dinwiddie
Expectation/potential: d league 3rd year guy expected to be fringe starter
Attitude (internal): steady with a chip on his shoulder
Hype (external): Expectations for continued growth as a key rotation piece
Performance: Strong improvements from last year, bigtime leap

Crabbe
Expectation/potential: 19 M per year 5th year player
Attitude (internal): I am CHAP (calm, humble, and patient)
Hype (external): Expectations for continued growth and to beocme a very good overall scorer/starter
Performance: decent improvement on defense. has regressed offensively with more volume

dinwiddie gets killed. no one criticizes crabbe

Well, I disagree with you about Dinwiddie's performance. You think he's made huge improvements but I see a guy who was 44/38/79 last year and is now 39/33/81. His DBPM last year was -0.2, this year -1.7. And I don't think Dinwiddie is getting killed -- for the first half of the season, people were raving about him, saying how he's a legit starter. I think after he won the skills challenge or after Dlo came back, Dinwiddie cratered in a major way, and then a lot of the criticism started. On balance, given his lower efficiency compared to last year, the criticism was warranted.

Crabbe has certainly been criticized on here based on his salary, but I agree that he hasn't gotten as much heat as Dlo. That's because, despite his $19m per, he's still a 31st pick and his humble attitude has helped. I think fans also see him as an albatross that can't be traded.

I still don't understand what people have against Russell's attitude. He hasn't behaved out of line, is a supportive teammate even in the face of being humiliated the other night by the coach, and really doesn't say things that rock the boat. His personality seems to be in line with LeVert, RHJ, Crabbe, Allen, Harris etc. All likable guys. I didn't know what to think about him at first when he got traded here but he doesn't come off as unlikable, surly, nasty, douchey or even overtly arrogant. Maybe I don't see or I'm missing something.

the dude has had a target on his back from day 1 and that's where this all starts. Some people never were going to give him a chance and the time to get it all together from the door. That's clear now.

I really want Russell to succeed. Not only because he is a Net now; but I love the artistry of his game - his elite passing and scoring skills are something special to watch. You want a kid like that to achieve his potential.

It is not so much an "attitude" problem, but a maturity issue. I don't even say that in a denigrating way; some guys just mature later than others. when VC4P was talking about Billups and other great PG who matured later, that really rang true for me. Not just because of their styles, but because I can see Russell being a player that figures it out a few years farther down the line. I am totally willing to hang with him, while he does that. But it will make the contract dance with Marks a bit more complicated. Thats all.

I do not in any shape, way or form, think it is time to conclude this trade was a mistake. ...
--

If Lin comes back even reasonably healthy, I think actually the player who would benefit the most is Russell. Who could really use a mentor.

[Paradise]

This should lighten the mood. Bondy getting hilariously exposed

Bondy’s article:

Courtney Lee became the second Knick in two days to engage in a contentious back-and-forth with the media, an exchange that started when a reporter claimed that fans are pinning blame on Hornacek.

"You gotta realize, we were on a run early on, we hit adversity and you can't blame anybody for that. Injuries happen. That's the world we live in today, we have to blame somebody, right? You can't control that," Lee said.

For what, injuries? For Tim (Hardaway) having a stress fracture? For (Kristaps Porzingis) going down?" Lee said. "How you blame coach for that? That's a question for you, can you answer that on the record?"

"You ask me all these questions, can I get an answer?" Lee added, later. "Now I'm about to beat around the bush from this point on for the rest of the interview if you can't answer the question."

While Lee left the impression his issue was with one specific media member (who is from the other tabloid), a day earlier Tim Hardaway Jr. told a group of reporters that answering questions is pointless because he'd be misquoted. That led to another agitated exchange. It was more pushback than Hardaway and the Knicks showed about 30 minutes earlier in the fourth quarter of an embarrassing loss to the Magic.

This genius takes a shot at the team for losing by 30 but the Knicks are tanking....

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[MGrand15]

Bondy is the worst. At least clowns like Skip and SAS can be entertaining. Even if it's awful. Bondy is just bad in every single way. Guys like him are exactly why players hate the media.

[MGrand15]

This chucking up 3s thing is such a flawed, junk ball philosophy. First, it's not the only way to have a good offense in this league. 2nd, layups and FTs are better shots. Our guys were visibly disturbed by the amount of 3s we took in the first quarter and a half. It threw us off our game. [/quote[

its not exactly easy to get layups and free throws... like you dont just say "hey guys take layups not threes". if we had better more talented offensive players we would have more layups and free throws. threes are great shots. and we get tons of wide open ones. if we had talent and supplement that with layups and FTs we would be elite offensively. we need that SF who can give you 22 ppg and get to the rim 6-8 times a game and ft line 6-8 times a game. we dont have that yet

Obviously we don't have a star but we have to make due with what we have. I've complained all year when RHJ and Allen were benched because we needed spacing over rim attacks, defense, and rebounding.

Philosophically, yes the ideal breakdown of shots is layups or 3s. But in reality, you need to play basketball. There are bad 3s. Or quick 3s. I think Kenny has to reel it in just a little bit. I've been saying it for awhile now. And I'm all in on Kenny and Marks.

FWIW, Philly played this style of junk ball before Embiid came along. Now they have a very healthy mix. So yeah, a star can change things quickly.

[MrDollarBills]

Well, I disagree with you about Dinwiddie's performance. You think he's made huge improvements but I see a guy who was 44/38/79 last year and is now 39/33/81. His DBPM last year was -0.2, this year -1.7. And I don't think Dinwiddie is getting killed -- for the first half of the season, people were raving about him, saying how he's a legit starter. I think after he won the skills challenge or after Dlo came back, Dinwiddie cratered in a major way, and then a lot of the criticism started. On balance, given his lower efficiency compared to last year, the criticism was warranted.

Crabbe has certainly been criticized on here based on his salary, but I agree that he hasn't gotten as much heat as Dlo. That's because, despite his $19m per, he's still a 31st pick and his humble attitude has helped. I think fans also see him as an albatross that can't be traded.

I still don't understand what people have against Russell's attitude. He hasn't behaved out of line, is a supportive teammate even in the face of being humiliated the other night by the coach, and really doesn't say things that rock the boat. His personality seems to be in line with LeVert, RHJ, Crabbe, Allen, Harris etc. All likable guys. I didn't know what to think about him at first when he got traded here but he doesn't come off as unlikable, surly, nasty, douchey or even overtly arrogant. Maybe I don't see or I'm missing something.

the dude has had a target on his back from day 1 and that's where this all starts. Some people never were going to give him a chance and the time to get it all together from the door. That's clear now.

I really want Russell to succeed. Not only because he is a Net now; but I love the artistry of his game - his elite passing and scoring skills are something special to watch. You want a kid like that to achieve his potential.

It is not so much an "attitude" problem, but a maturity issue. I don't even say that in a denigrating way; some guys just mature later than others. when VC4P was talking about Billups and other great PG who matured later, that really rang true for me. Not just because of their styles, but because I can see Russell being a player that figures it out a few years farther down the line. I am totally willing to hang with him, while he does that. But it will make the contract dance with Marks a bit more complicated. Thats all.

I do not in any shape, way or form, think it is time to conclude this trade was a mistake. ...
--

If Lin comes back even reasonably healthy, I think actually the player who would benefit the most is Russell. Who could really use a mentor.

Yeah my main thing with him is maturity, and that's strictly an on court maturity issue. He needs to know when to balance making people better around him, and when to take control of the game. Shot selection. Being aware of where your man is on transition. LeVert is a year or so older than him and I think he's more mature in those aspects.

The money aspect is problematic. I don't think he's warranting a max contract. I don't think any team in the league would give him that money tbh. If we can get him on a reasonable number I'm all for him staying and continuing to develop. but if he wants 20+ mil, we'll have to say goodbye. it's just not feasible right now. he will have to have a killer 2018-19 season to force Marks' hand in that direction.

Lin going down, plus his injury pretty much derailed him.

[MrDollarBills]

This should lighten the mood. Bondy getting hilariously exposed

Bondy’s article:

Courtney Lee became the second Knick in two days to engage in a contentious back-and-forth with the media, an exchange that started when a reporter claimed that fans are pinning blame on Hornacek.

"You gotta realize, we were on a run early on, we hit adversity and you can't blame anybody for that. Injuries happen. That's the world we live in today, we have to blame somebody, right? You can't control that," Lee said.

For what, injuries? For Tim (Hardaway) having a stress fracture? For (Kristaps Porzingis) going down?" Lee said. "How you blame coach for that? That's a question for you, can you answer that on the record?"

"You ask me all these questions, can I get an answer?" Lee added, later. "Now I'm about to beat around the bush from this point on for the rest of the interview if you can't answer the question."

While Lee left the impression his issue was with one specific media member (who is from the other tabloid), a day earlier Tim Hardaway Jr. told a group of reporters that answering questions is pointless because he'd be misquoted. That led to another agitated exchange. It was more pushback than Hardaway and the Knicks showed about 30 minutes earlier in the fourth quarter of an embarrassing loss to the Magic.

This genius takes a shot at the team for losing by 30 but the Knicks are tanking....

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Bondy is such a tool.

[MrDollarBills]

This chucking up 3s thing is such a flawed, junk ball philosophy. First, it's not the only way to have a good offense in this league. 2nd, layups and FTs are better shots. Our guys were visibly disturbed by the amount of 3s we took in the first quarter and a half. It threw us off our game. [/quote[

its not exactly easy to get layups and free throws... like you dont just say "hey guys take layups not threes". if we had better more talented offensive players we would have more layups and free throws. threes are great shots. and we get tons of wide open ones. if we had talent and supplement that with layups and FTs we would be elite offensively. we need that SF who can give you 22 ppg and get to the rim 6-8 times a game and ft line 6-8 times a game. we dont have that yet

Obviously we don't have a star but we have to make due with what we have. I've complained all year when RHJ and Allen were benched because we needed spacing over rim attacks, defense, and rebounding.

Philosophically, yes the ideal breakdown of shots is layups or 3s. But in reality, you need to play basketball. There are bad 3s. Or quick 3s. I think Kenny has to reel it in just a little bit. I've been saying it for awhile now. And I'm all in on Kenny and Marks.

FWIW, Philly played this style of junk ball before Embiid came along. Now they have a very healthy mix. So yeah, a star can change things quickly.

I think the suggestion of giving Russell different looks as opposed to what we see him do now is valid. I also would like to see plays called for him off of the ball.

[MGrand15]

I still don't understand what people have against Russell's attitude. He hasn't behaved out of line, is a supportive teammate even in the face of being humiliated the other night by the coach, and really doesn't say things that rock the boat. His personality seems to be in line with LeVert, RHJ, Crabbe, Allen, Harris etc. All likable guys. I didn't know what to think about him at first when he got traded here but he doesn't come off as unlikable, surly, nasty, douchey or even overtly arrogant. Maybe I don't see or I'm missing something.

the dude has had a target on his back from day 1 and that's where this all starts. Some people never were going to give him a chance and the time to get it all together from the door. That's clear now.

I really want Russell to succeed. Not only because he is a Net now; but I love the artistry of his game - his elite passing and scoring skills are something special to watch. You want a kid like that to achieve his potential.

It is not so much an "attitude" problem, but a maturity issue. I don't even say that in a denigrating way; some guys just mature later than others. when VC4P was talking about Billups and other great PG who matured later, that really rang true for me. Not just because of their styles, but because I can see Russell being a player that figures it out a few years farther down the line. I am totally willing to hang with him, while he does that. But it will make the contract dance with Marks a bit more complicated. Thats all.

I do not in any shape, way or form, think it is time to conclude this trade was a mistake. ...
--

If Lin comes back even reasonably healthy, I think actually the player who would benefit the most is Russell. Who could really use a mentor.

Yeah my main thing with him is maturity, and that's strictly an on court maturity issue. He needs to know when to balance making people better around him, and when to take control of the game. Shot selection. Being aware of where your man is on transition. LeVert is a year or so older than him and I think he's more mature in those aspects.

My least favorite immature Russell move does is consistently foul instead of getting back on transition defense. It drives me nuts. He's done it SO many times when we're over the limit. Or when were barely at a disadvantage. Like 4 on 3. Handing away free points because of laziness.

[MrDollarBills]

yeah I can't justify that either.

well, I'm pretty sure during the exit interview his bad habits will be pointed out in detail. he's got to clean up a lot of what he does on defense especially. on offense, i think the coaches need to analyze what he does best and incorporate that into their play calling.

Ever notice how the Spurs' offensive system always seems to adapt to the personnel? they constantly tweak and change things to better accommodate what they have on the roster. Aldridge wanted to leave last year. Pop made changes. now they are the 4th best team in the West.

I think that the Nets need to do the same. shooting threes is fine. but we have to make sure we're also incorporating the roster's strengths into the gameplan as well.

How about getting Russell more catch and shoot opportunities? Maybe even some post up looks every now and then. RHJ could use some more touches where he can attack his defender. Why isn't Jarrett Allen getting a few more 3point looks? he needs to gain some more confidence in that shot because it looks good. LeVert/Allen 1-5 PnR should be a go to play. What is the plan for Spencer Dinwiddie? why has Allen Crabbe fallen off as of late?

i think the coaching staff needs to really work hard this summer on expanding this offense, and they need to change their approach to defense. because what we're doing right now isn't working.

[CalamityX12]

expanding the offense is key. If not, they need to dump a lot of players in exchange for shooters. It's a shooters offense IMO and we're not equipped. We don't use bigs, we don't use size matchups so there should be no big man added. It's a joke IMO but if thats what they want, they need to commit to it.

[Yit]

Tracking players performance vs 76ers 3 Apr 2018

Okafor - 38 (++)
Dinwiddie - 23 (+)
Stauskas - 20 (+)
DAR - 15 (-)
Allen - 11 (-)
Harris - 11 (-)
DMC - 7 (--)
RHJ - 7 (--)
CLV - 7 (-)
Doyle - 5 (-)
Acy - 2 (-)
Cunningham - 0 (--)