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Post#161 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Apr 4, 2018 7:44 pm

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:After the latest Whiteside flap, some Heat fans proposed Howard for Whiteside in the trade board. What are folks thoughts here?

I would do Dwight for Hassan + 2020 first .

Pretty sure someone already owns that pick.

Looked it up ... not quite. Miami has their 2020 but can't trade it because they owe 2021 to Phx.
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Post#162 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Apr 4, 2018 7:46 pm

By the way, RealGM has a nice page for looking up owed picks,
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 

Post#163 » by HornetJail » Wed Apr 4, 2018 9:27 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:By the way, RealGM has a nice page for looking up owed picks,
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

wow they finally cleaned it up. it was a pain to look at for the longest time
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Post#164 » by Braggins » Sat Apr 7, 2018 10:51 am

If WHG is legit and the plan is to keep Dwight because we need his expiring salary to resign Kemba, does that make Cody pretty much expendable? I can't stand Dwight and I really like Cody, so it makes me sick to imagine trading Cody and keeping Dwight around, but it might make the most sense because of our financial situation. Our biggest roster log jam is at center and Cody likely has the most trade value of any of our expendable players that are on long term contracts. Once Dwight expires we could always sign a cheap bruiser to be our 3rd center behind Willy and Frank.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe our best option is to package Cody with our 2019 1st for the biggest upgrade we can get on the wing or at PF and then hopefully draft SGA or Mikal Bridges. We could also probably afford to get rid of Marv or MKG for salary relief if we got a good enough player for Cody + pick.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 

Post#165 » by yosemiteben » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:04 pm

It's an interesting problem. Cody's value has to be pretty low since this is now year 2 of constant injuries for him. I'm very curious to see what our big rotation looks like next season.
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Post#166 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:06 pm

This is a real 'what if' kind of question, but over on the T&T board a Knicks fan proposed Frank Ntilikina & #9 to move up in the draft. If the Hornets moved up, say to #3, is that a trade that would interest you? Personally I say, yes. Only way I wouldn't do that trade was if Doncic was still on the board.
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Post#167 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:24 pm

If the Hornets don't luck into a top 3 pick, I'm in favor of trading out of this draft, especially if it helps bring in an upgrade while moving one of the contracts Cho couldn't move. Kupchak's first move is to upgrade the roster immediately because MJ has to commit to Kemba. Don't be surprised if Kupchak moves agressively to bring in an impact player. He won't be tearing down the roster.
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Post#168 » by Diop » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:27 pm

Even if we had the $, I can’t see Charlotte attracting any big free agents, Mitch is going to have to work some magic trading.

I wonder if Howard’s value went up at all
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Post#169 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:34 pm

Braggins wrote:If WHG is legit and the plan is to keep Dwight because we need his expiring salary to resign Kemba, does that make Cody pretty much expendable? I can't stand Dwight and I really like Cody, so it makes me sick to imagine trading Cody and keeping Dwight around, but it might make the most sense because of our financial situation. Our biggest roster log jam is at center and Cody likely has the most trade value of any of our expendable players that are on long term contracts. Once Dwight expires we could always sign a cheap bruiser to be our 3rd center behind Willy and Frank.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe our best option is to package Cody with our 2019 1st for the biggest upgrade we can get on the wing or at PF and then hopefully draft SGA or Mikal Bridges. We could also probably afford to get rid of Marv or MKG for salary relief if we got a good enough player for Cody + pick.

I do think that the odds favor Dwight being here another year. As you point out, the Hornets will need that space, so they either need to get space or another expiring back in whatever trades they do this summer if they want to move Howard.

As for our existing roster, MKG, Cody, and Marvin are definitely the most 'expendable' players. Lamb could easily start in MKG's place now. Ditto for Frank and Marvin. Cody is the most iffy to me. I like what he brings a lot more than I like what Dwight does on most nights. But yeah, Cody's health is such a big problem for both him and the team.

My dream scenario would be something like Howard for George Hill or MKG to the Bulls for cap space, making Dwight tradeable.
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Post#170 » by NYG » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:50 pm

Not a Hornets fan, but trying to get a feel for what the Hornets are trying to do this off-season if some one or a few of you combined could let me know a detailed breakdown of what they’re likely to do this off-season.
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Post#171 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Apr 7, 2018 4:21 pm

NYG wrote:Not a Hornets fan, but trying to get a feel for what the Hornets are trying to do this off-season if some one or a few of you combined could let me know a detailed breakdown of what they’re likely to do this off-season.


*No tear down so
*Kemba stays so
*GM pressured to acquire immediate help, showing Kemba a commitment to winning (#2 scorer like Middleton, Love, Fournier).
*Dwight's expiring needed to free space for Kemba max extension.
*Draft BPA or attach pick to a role player contract (MKG, Marvin).
*Lamb for any 1st offered and he stays if no offer.
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Post#172 » by yosemiteben » Sat Apr 7, 2018 4:44 pm

We don't even know who our GM will be, so no one is really in a position to predict with any confidence what next off-season looks like, except that it would be very surprising to see a complete rebuild.
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Post#173 » by BeesWax » Sat Apr 7, 2018 8:33 pm

NYG wrote:Not a Hornets fan, but trying to get a feel for what the Hornets are trying to do this off-season if some one or a few of you combined could let me know a detailed breakdown of what they’re likely to do this off-season.

I fully expect them to be idiots and try to retool the broken mess we created for our coach but there is an off chance that whomever the new GM is can have more pull than the coach and kick off a rebuild. This off-season is going to determine if we are awful for the next decade or if we start working at being a respectable team.
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Post#174 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Apr 7, 2018 11:28 pm

Lamb for Jerian Grant + Bulls 2nd.

Develop the young core...

Kemba - Grant
Monk - Bacon
MKG - Batum
Kaminsky - Marvin
Cody - Dwight - Hernangomez
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Post#175 » by Braggins » Sat Apr 7, 2018 11:43 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Lamb for Jerian Grant + Bulls 2nd.

Develop the young core...

Kemba - Grant
Monk - Bacon
MKG - Batum
Kaminsky - Marvin
Cody - Dwight - Hernangomez

Lamb is one of the three players i definitely want to keep (others are Kemba and Monk). Hes easily our best wing, hes still young and improving, and his contract is amazing.
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Post#176 » by BeesWax » Sun Apr 8, 2018 3:23 am

Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Lamb for Jerian Grant + Bulls 2nd.

Develop the young core...

Kemba - Grant
Monk - Bacon
MKG - Batum
Kaminsky - Marvin
Cody - Dwight - Hernangomez

Lamb is one of the three players i definitely want to keep (others are Kemba and Monk). Hes easily our best wing, hes still young and improving, and his contract is amazing.

Lamb, Willy and Monk are the three I don’t want move no matter what. Value vs cost they seem to be the most positive. If I knew Kemba would resign and we could build something around him I would add him to the list but my fear is he leaves for nothing. I wouldn’t trade him for scraps but I would listen to offers if I could get quality young pieces to supplement the three earlier mentioned guys.
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Post#177 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Apr 8, 2018 3:26 am

MasterIchiro wrote:If the Hornets don't luck into a top 3 pick, I'm in favor of trading out of this draft, especially if it helps bring in an upgrade while moving one of the contracts Cho couldn't move. Kupchak's first move is to upgrade the roster immediately because MJ has to commit to Kemba. Don't be surprised if Kupchak moves agressively to bring in an impact player. He won't be tearing down the roster.


If Mikal Bridges is there and we trade that pick ill be beyond pissed.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 

Post#178 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Apr 8, 2018 2:24 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:If the Hornets don't luck into a top 3 pick, I'm in favor of trading out of this draft, especially if it helps bring in an upgrade while moving one of the contracts Cho couldn't move. Kupchak's first move is to upgrade the roster immediately because MJ has to commit to Kemba. Don't be surprised if Kupchak moves agressively to bring in an impact player. He won't be tearing down the roster.


If Mikal Bridges is there and we trade that pick ill be beyond pissed.


You don't know the player coming in though. Would you be pissed if he were Kevin Love? How about Chandler Parsons?
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Post#179 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Apr 8, 2018 2:27 pm

Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Lamb for Jerian Grant + Bulls 2nd.

Develop the young core...

Kemba - Grant
Monk - Bacon
MKG - Batum
Kaminsky - Marvin
Cody - Dwight - Hernangomez

Lamb is one of the three players i definitely want to keep (others are Kemba and Monk). Hes easily our best wing, hes still young and improving, and his contract is amazing.


A one-year contract. And no cap to extend him without hitting the luxury tax unless you want to let Frank walk. Frank hit 38% of his threes this year. We lose Frank or Lamb for nothing unless we pay the luxury tax with Kemba or let Kemba walk.
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Post#180 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Apr 8, 2018 4:08 pm

Batum + pick 11 for Tobias Harris + Patrick Beverly

Hornets:

Kemba - Beverly
Lamb - Monk
Harris - MKG - Bacon
Kaminsky - Williams
Dwight - Zeller - Hernangomez

MJ could opt to pay the luxury tax in order to retain Harris + Beverly after their contracts expire at the end of next season.

Clippers are left with Batum + Gallinari + D. Jordan (expiring) + pick 11 + pick 12 + pick 13.

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