Capn'O wrote:Let's refocus the thread to his play...
Anyone think he can be a SF?
Depends on team. How he compliments other players etc but in today's NBA these two positions are practically interchangeable.
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Capn'O wrote:Let's refocus the thread to his play...
Anyone think he can be a SF?
Garbagelo wrote:He is JR Smith without the crack
In which case, that is actually quite a fine player in this day and age
reub wrote:We should have kept Willy and rolled with Burke, Frank, THJr, Dotson, Mikal, Willy, Kornet, Mudiay, Hezonja, Jerami Grant and O'Quinn (we should sign him) plus KP when he comes back next year. That would have gotten us one more lottery pick, a super-talented very young team and we'd be set to contend for the 2019-2020 season.
Kinglee wrote:MP4LIFE wrote:Kinglee wrote:
This has nothing to do with Frank, I don’t even see the point of you bringing him up. Frank being the 8th pick doesn’t make him a good basketball player and Dotson has always had a solid offensive game. Doesn’t make sense to reach right now. Stay on topic and get off me
What does being the 8th pick have to do with anything?
I asked you to defend your stance on why Dotson, who has shown nothing all season, is a ‘baller’ but Frank is a scrub.
Take out the fact that Dotson is 4 years older than Frank.
Explain what you have been impressed by with Dotson over the entire season. Go.
I watched him in college. Calling someone a baller isn’t saying a guy is a superstar or anything. It’s just saying the guy is a player. Same way Rob Gray is a baller and the Martin twins are ballers. It just mean when they get on the court and perform it wouldn’t be a suprise to me.
There are many players in the league that are in the league because they were given an opportunity, though not much was expected of them.
Every player in the nba isn’t better than every college player or every g league player. Some get opportunities, some don’t. I go with what my eyes tell me. I don’t just say this guy a top pick or this guy play here so he must be great.
Btw... When we drafted Dotson, I posted how the kid has talent and he’s a baller. Never said superstar, but dude can ball. Period. Stop asking me about Frank because you’re only going to get negative reviews from me and fans of every team around the league. Dude was trash this year. Get off me about dude.
dakomish23 wrote:Polk377 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:
We barely played this kid all year and you’re using one of the few games he played big minutes as proof that we have been playing him?
Let me guess. We started him two games months ago so that means we were playing him all year?
He did play in 41 games this year and 13 in the G-League so it's not like he didn't get opportunities. It is up to him to make an impact with the opportunities he did have. I like Dotson and think he could be a good rotation player but he wasn't ready to play major minutes.
We need to for once have patience. This is not a sprint it's a marathon. We have tried sprinting with quick fixes that never work out. Let these kids take time to learn the game and develop their skills without all of this New York fan/media pressure. The Knicks have done a great job using their developmental system this year and it shows with how these guys have stepped right in and played within Jeff's system. I think if Frank started in the G-League this year he would be better off right now. Knicks just need to keep these guys together, develop the system and keep adding talent.
You’re using “have patience”’as an excuse to not play the kids?
Isn’t that backwards?
Let the kids play and have patience through their development.
Knicks don’t have patience. They went win now as always.
Agreed on adding talent. Disagree on keeping this current group together. We need to cut bait before we overpay (more) bench players and pretend they’re quality starters. That’s how you end up in cap hell. Sorry, deeper in cap hell
Polk377 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Polk377 wrote:
He did play in 41 games this year and 13 in the G-League so it's not like he didn't get opportunities. It is up to him to make an impact with the opportunities he did have. I like Dotson and think he could be a good rotation player but he wasn't ready to play major minutes.
We need to for once have patience. This is not a sprint it's a marathon. We have tried sprinting with quick fixes that never work out. Let these kids take time to learn the game and develop their skills without all of this New York fan/media pressure. The Knicks have done a great job using their developmental system this year and it shows with how these guys have stepped right in and played within Jeff's system. I think if Frank started in the G-League this year he would be better off right now. Knicks just need to keep these guys together, develop the system and keep adding talent.
You’re using “have patience”’as an excuse to not play the kids?
Isn’t that backwards?
Let the kids play and have patience through their development.
Knicks don’t have patience. They went win now as always.
Agreed on adding talent. Disagree on keeping this current group together. We need to cut bait before we overpay (more) bench players and pretend they’re quality starters. That’s how you end up in cap hell. Sorry, deeper in cap hell
If you think this season was about win now than you have not been watching.
You don't just throw young players in when they are not ready and expect them to develop. You want to instill work ethic and make them earn it. It is up to the players to step up and take a spot. Everyone on this team had had a chance to play this season in different spots.
Remember this was everyone's first year in Jeff's system. It takes time to put it together especially when you are missing your star player for a big portion.
No one is saying all of these guys are going to be stars but a lot of them can be effective bench pieces. Burke, Dotson, Kornet, Williams, Thomas, KOQ, Baker, Beasley are all good players to have off of your bench. I don't see them overpaying to keep any of them but if they come back at a reasonable price I am all for it. It is up to the scouts and management to make sure they hit on our pick this year so some of these guys don't have to play prominent roles.
For once the team needs to stay the course with one plan and build from within. Worse case next year we still suck but players show developed potential and the tankers get another top 10 pick.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
Knicks Byke wrote:he looks shorter than 6 5 imo. is he really 6 7?
Kinglee wrote:A lot of angry people in here
BKlutch wrote:So for anybody still reading this thread, maybe we should all be asking this question: A guy plays all year, and doesn't show much. Some ok games, some poor games. Then he has one game like he did when he scored 30 with 11 rebounds. The question is how? I didn't see anything about that game that said the defense was letting him score. So how does he do it? If he was a really good player, he'd have had a string of decent games and we'd have noticed. Maybe it was something he ate.
MP4LIFE wrote:Kinglee wrote:A lot of angry people in here
Great point.
You really explained yourself well in your argument as to why Dotson is a better player than Ntilikina.
reub wrote:BKlutch wrote:So for anybody still reading this thread, maybe we should all be asking this question: A guy plays all year, and doesn't show much. Some ok games, some poor games. Then he has one game like he did when he scored 30 with 11 rebounds. The question is how? I didn't see anything about that game that said the defense was letting him score. So how does he do it? If he was a really good player, he'd have had a string of decent games and we'd have noticed. Maybe it was something he ate.
You can't show much when you don't play. Just like Willy.
They are our future. Not Lance, Lee, Kanter and the Bease.
Kinglee wrote:MP4LIFE wrote:Kinglee wrote:A lot of angry people in here
Great point.
You really explained yourself well in your argument as to why Dotson is a better player than Ntilikina.
I never said he was a better player nor does this have anything to do with Frank. And even if that was the case, Frank was drafted off potential, not on how good he is. Jarret Jack and many other players in the league are better than Frank right now. THIS IS A FACT
And I'm not even discussing this again. Your obsession with me and a Knick player that you don't know is weird as ****. You're a grownup. Find something else to do then following me around a message board, questioning me about why I don't give a damn about a Eric Snow reincarnated. Enjoy talking to yourself from this point on when you refer to me
Besart19 wrote:Willy / Kornet / Hicks
KP / Beasley / Hayes
DMD / Williams / Artis
Frank / Dotson / Baker
Burke / Jack / Mayes
Trade Melo, Lee, KOQ and Lance for expirings and picks... Dont sign Timmy.
We had a chance to have that instead. A top4 pick and over 70M to spend if Noah gets stretched
dakomish23 wrote:Polk377 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:
We barely played this kid all year and you’re using one of the few games he played big minutes as proof that we have been playing him?
Let me guess. We started him two games months ago so that means we were playing him all year?
He did play in 41 games this year and 13 in the G-League so it's not like he didn't get opportunities. It is up to him to make an impact with the opportunities he did have. I like Dotson and think he could be a good rotation player but he wasn't ready to play major minutes.
We need to for once have patience. This is not a sprint it's a marathon. We have tried sprinting with quick fixes that never work out. Let these kids take time to learn the game and develop their skills without all of this New York fan/media pressure. The Knicks have done a great job using their developmental system this year and it shows with how these guys have stepped right in and played within Jeff's system. I think if Frank started in the G-League this year he would be better off right now. Knicks just need to keep these guys together, develop the system and keep adding talent.
You’re using “have patience”’as an excuse to not play the kids?
Isn’t that backwards?
Let the kids play and have patience through their development.
Knicks don’t have patience. They went win now as always.
Agreed on adding talent. Disagree on keeping this current group together. We need to cut bait before we overpay (more) bench players and pretend they’re quality starters. That’s how you end up in cap hell. Sorry, deeper in cap hell