We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[GiggitySmalls]

Cliff, Batum and MKG AND MCW need to not be on the team next year.

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[MasterIchiro]

Monk leads the Hornets in scoring again. His 3 ball wasn't falling but he showed playmaking and seems to have good chemistry with mobile/versatile bigs. It just so happens Hernangomez, Kaminsky and Zeller all fit that description. The Bucks tried to vulture Malik for Brogdon. We need to punish them for that.

[Braggins]

Missed eight threes and still scored 22 on 17 shots. Not bad.

Its unfortunate MCW is injured and we're forced to play this scrub.

[JDR720]

Averaging 20pts on 15 shots in 24mins the last 5 games.

Shooing 49/42 and 9/9 FT's.

[JDR720]

His FG% by day is pretty weird

Mondays: 36%
Tuesday: 42%
Wednesday: 40%
Thursday: 40%
Friday: 31%
Saturday: 30%
Sunday: 28%


....me thinks Monk does things he shouldn't do on the weekends.

[fatlever]

The Observer read an article about Clifford's handling of Monk yesterday. Did anyone read that? It does beg the question of, should we be giving Clifford credit for his development of month? I think we're all in agreement that Clifford's time has probably run its course and the standard narrative is he hates young players and doesn't try to develop them. But, should we be giving him some credit for how well monk is playing right now? Cuz the monk we see right now versus the monk we were seeing early in the season are two completely different players. Perhaps Clifford was able to get through to him and convince him to get others involved as well as more effort on defense as well as a better understanding of the pick-and-roll. I'm not so ready to just assume that we would have seen this version of Monk in November if Clifford would have just left him out there ignoring his bad habits. And there's still plenty of other bad habits that need to be broken, but the progress is encouraging

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[DY_nasty]

The Observer read an article about Clifford's handling of Monk yesterday. Did anyone read that? It does beg the question of, should we be giving Clifford credit for his development of month? I think we're all in agreement that Clifford's time has probably run its course and the standard narrative is he hates young players and doesn't try to develop them. But, should we be giving him some credit for how well monk is playing right now? Cuz the monk we see right now versus the monk we were seeing early in the season are two completely different players. Perhaps Clifford was able to get through to him and convince him to get others involved as well as more effort on defense as well as a better understanding of the pick-and-roll. I'm not so ready to just assume that we would have seen this version of Monk in November if Clifford would have just left him out there ignoring his bad habits. And there's still plenty of other bad habits that need to be broken, but the progress is encouraging

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he's a rookie

[BeesWax]

The Observer read an article about Clifford's handling of Monk yesterday. Did anyone read that? It does beg the question of, should we be giving Clifford credit for his development of month? I think we're all in agreement that Clifford's time has probably run its course and the standard narrative is he hates young players and doesn't try to develop them. But, should we be giving him some credit for how well monk is playing right now? Cuz the monk we see right now versus the monk we were seeing early in the season are two completely different players. Perhaps Clifford was able to get through to him and convince him to get others involved as well as more effort on defense as well as a better understanding of the pick-and-roll. I'm not so ready to just assume that we would have seen this version of Monk in November if Clifford would have just left him out there ignoring his bad habits. And there's still plenty of other bad habits that need to be broken, but the progress is encouraging

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he's a rookie

He was also playing with a much better cast around him at the end of the season. Look at what he had around him early. Zeller has a series of missed games and was working through a bruised knee. Frank was a mess and could not get his game together at all because his shot would not fall. Then Bacon and Graham were the wings out there with him. Now Frank has figured it out and Lamb is back with the bench unit. Add Willy who has played well with Monk and he has a group he can rely on. Early on Monk had to be thinking if I don't put up points nobody will and now he can settle in and just play some and not feel pressured to score every trip down the court.

[DY_nasty]

The Observer read an article about Clifford's handling of Monk yesterday. Did anyone read that? It does beg the question of, should we be giving Clifford credit for his development of month? I think we're all in agreement that Clifford's time has probably run its course and the standard narrative is he hates young players and doesn't try to develop them. But, should we be giving him some credit for how well monk is playing right now? Cuz the monk we see right now versus the monk we were seeing early in the season are two completely different players. Perhaps Clifford was able to get through to him and convince him to get others involved as well as more effort on defense as well as a better understanding of the pick-and-roll. I'm not so ready to just assume that we would have seen this version of Monk in November if Clifford would have just left him out there ignoring his bad habits. And there's still plenty of other bad habits that need to be broken, but the progress is encouraging

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he's a rookie

He was also playing with a much better cast around him at the end of the season. Look at what he had around him early. Zeller has a series of missed games and was working through a bruised knee. Frank was a mess and could not get his game together at all because his shot would not fall. Then Bacon and Graham were the wings out there with him. Now Frank has figured it out and Lamb is back with the bench unit. Add Willy who has played well with Monk and he has a group he can rely on. Early on Monk had to be thinking if I don't put up points nobody will and now he can settle in and just play some and not feel pressured to score every trip down the court.

that's a wild ..... "subjective" interpretation of one of the most inconsistent teams in the league

anyone on this board typing "frank has figured it out" owes themselves a stiff drink before clicking post

[BeesWax]

he's a rookie

He was also playing with a much better cast around him at the end of the season. Look at what he had around him early. Zeller has a series of missed games and was working through a bruised knee. Frank was a mess and could not get his game together at all because his shot would not fall. Then Bacon and Graham were the wings out there with him. Now Frank has figured it out and Lamb is back with the bench unit. Add Willy who has played well with Monk and he has a group he can rely on. Early on Monk had to be thinking if I don't put up points nobody will and now he can settle in and just play some and not feel pressured to score every trip down the court.

that's a wild ..... "subjective" interpretation of one of the most inconsistent teams in the league

anyone on this board typing "frank has figured it out" owes themselves a stiff drink before clicking post

Check out his pre all star and post all star numbers. Now is he going to maintain his play is the question. I am not saying he can do that but I am looking at what Monk played with early this year vs late this year and it is a wildly different group in terms of production. I was not implying that this would hold and move forward like that but just referencing how playing with a better group could make a player look better.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm fare more interested in the results than the narrative here. Monk played well to end the season. That's a good thing and something he can build on over the summer.

[Hornet Mania]

MCW getting hurt is the only reason Monk got his chance to shine. I'm hesitant to give Cliff credit for developing him and paving he way for this late spurt when he only played the kid because his hand was forced. It also doesn't help that Cliff has basically no prior success developing our various lotto projects.

[DY_nasty]

MCW getting hurt is the only reason Monk got his chance to shine. I'm hesitant to give Cliff credit for developing him and paving he way for this late spurt when he only played the kid because his hand was forced. It also doesn't help that Cliff has basically no prior success developing our various lotto projects.

he went multiple games trying to play no backup pg at all when mcw wasn't available

cliff is full of crap

[Braggins]

MCW getting hurt is the only reason Monk got his chance to shine. I'm hesitant to give Cliff credit for developing him and paving he way for this late spurt when he only played the kid because his hand was forced. It also doesn't help that Cliff has basically no prior success developing our various lotto projects.

Yeah, I assume that if MCW and some others were healthy all season Monk would have gotten like 70+ DNP-CD's and we'd all be thinking we drafted another Vonleh.

[Robot Rock]

I'm fare more interested in the results than the narrative here. Monk played well to end the season. That's a good thing and something he can build on over the summer.

Agree wholeheartedly. It's time to look at the positives for once.

[fatlever]

http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=6&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&DateFrom=03%2F06%2F2018&DateTo=04%2F12%2F2018

monk w/ lowest net rtg since MCW was injured. as well as monk played, net rtg still bad. billy, bacon, stone - 3 guys who often played w/ monk much better rtg. even in april monk was bottom half. (monk also w/ lowest year rtg and post asb rtg)
- some can be explained as not playing w/ kemba much, but drop-off cant be that big, even as monk putting up good #s

next step is for improved personal play to translate to overall team success.

side notes
mkg really bad last 2 months
mkg-monk 2-man = disaster

[Robot Rock]

Flip-side of the coin. Monk averaged 20 ppg on 48% shooting in April.

[DY_nasty]

http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Month=6&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&DateFrom=03%2F06%2F2018&DateTo=04%2F12%2F2018

monk w/ lowest net rtg since MCW was injured. as well as monk played, net rtg still bad. billy, bacon, stone - 3 guys who often played w/ monk much better rtg. even in april monk was bottom half. (monk also w/ lowest year rtg and post asb rtg)
- some can be explained as not playing w/ kemba much, but drop-off cant be that big, even as monk putting up good #s

next step is for improved personal play to translate to overall team success.

side notes
mkg really bad last 2 months
mkg-monk 2-man = disaster

kinda goes towards the whole not expecting a rhythm shooting rookie to shoot well or build rhythm with inconsistent minutes - especially when his touches when he did get to play were in garbage time or with whatever lineups

i don't think he got real structured playtime anywhere between his first few games and these last few.

[MasterIchiro]

Monk will become a top-5 scorer eventually.

[fatlever]

Monk will become a top-5 scorer eventually.

on the team?

under 24, sorted by ppg
http://bkref.com/tiny/iQ0ql

not to mention all the top 5 guys hitting the league in next few years. lets not put unreasonable expectations on monk.